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Why do you support him? Is it the constant lying or is the inability to take responsibility for anything or maybe the gaslighting of any journalist not affiliated with OAN.

I am no fan of Joe Biden by any stretch of the imagination but at least he is a decent human being.
Trust me after 47 years in Washington no one comes out a decent human being (republican or Democrat). The system isn’t setup that way. We would have decent human beings if we had term limits but the club will not allow that to happen.
 
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i am initially outraged about it (DOJ defense of Trump) but frankly I need to know more about it. Kinda like how I know more about the sham Russia and Ukraine stuff. And kinda like how I want to know more about Biden/Obama spying on Trump.

He has put significant pressure on Iran. Did Obama?

Peace deal for which he’s been nominated for NBP is not newsworthy for CNN (which is what I read and didn’t see a single headline about it)

North Korea? When Obama was in office it felt like every other week they were testing us with military exercises and public comments. Far fewer under Trump.

Back to Ukraine: you do realize that there’s an ongoing investigation as to where the Biden promised aid was going to go, right? I run a business. If money is going to potentially nefarious things I’m going to investigate (PS, Biden wasn’t even a def candidate then!). In any event trump ended up giving more aid to Ukraine vs Russia than Obama did

re Turks and Kurds. The conflict has been going on for like 30 years and the relatively recent violence actually started in 2015. I know Obama wouldn’t do anything except maybe apologize for being America but I’ll admit I’m surprised Trump hasn’t done more
are you serious about mentioning that he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by some far right white winger who by the way nominated him two years ago? This is hysterical.

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Triggered much, cern? Trump was elected to disrupt Washington and end the endless wars, among other things. He has done that for the most part.

You really believe he doesn't believe Putin interfered? LOL!
Of course he knows that Putin interfered in the 2016 elections. Lol. Trump and the campaign conspired with And encouraged Russia. That Mueller report is pretty damning if anyone actually ever read it.

Trump was right about one thing, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and his supporters and that’s many on this board would somehow try to justify it.
 
are you serious about mentioning that he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize by some far right white winger who by the way nominated him two years ago? This is hysterical.

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Of course he knows that Putin interfered in the 2016 elections. Lol. Trump and the campaign conspired with And encouraged Russia. That Mueller report is pretty damning if anyone actually ever read it.

Trump was right about one thing, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and his supporters and that’s many on this board would somehow try to justify it.
Appreciate your response. So you feel substantively he didn’t deserve to get nominated? Would like to hear your reasoning. Obama nominated for diplomacy the result of which included the Iran deal.

You don’t address Obama and Biden allegations of wrongdoing even though there’s as much if not more evidence there then there is against trump. Remember that “bushwack” meeting on a tarmac? Obama hot mic with Russia. Biden and that pillar of society Hunter. Nothing to see there. Frankly I think most of it is nonsense but since you push nonsense conspiracy theories about trump you should at least acknowledge it’s a two way street (but liberals can’t do that anymore; if you disagree with them you’re wrong, racist, etc)

our democratic party grasps at straws to stay in power. they literally only give out things to get a vote. They now do nothing to actually help their constituents. Im surprised they haven’t passed a law that using the term limo libs is illegal.

I wish there were better candidates on each side but in this match up I’d take trump because Democrats are pushing a socialist anti capitalist agenda. It’s not progressive. some apparently want that. check out the income gaps and healthcare in countries that are ahead of us in this “progressive path.”

aside from anti trump, what dem ideals do you believe in right now? I’m happy to read and consider.
 
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Bind en is not a socialist or anti capitalist the core of the demo party are moderates. They shut down Bernie last year and this yr. him and Warren were both defeated . The most important thing is the trump lied and cost people lives and but all of us in danger.
 
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Well at least trump didn’t say if you want your doctor you can keep it, lie about the Iran treaty and give the mullahs
billions which they used to spread terror, draw a red line with Syria on gassing civilians and then do nothing when they
continued to do it.Oh well that was the chosen one Obama so I guess I will be accused of being racist to bring up these
things so I will leave it at that.
 
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Trump is getting Swift Boated.

His comments to Woodward sound bad but would you rather have him stoke massive fear in everyone? All could have done a better job in handling the Chinese Virus.

And is there an ethical dliemma with Woodward sitting on what he now deems such a big issue until he can get it in print and say "Gotcha!!" ?


Yeah I dont know...we are pressing dangerously against the fine line of "lying" (which I believe he absolutely did) and "misleading"....either way,..not what I want my leader doing.

Certainly wouldnt want him as captain of my ship...he finds out we are sinking....decides not to create "hysteria" and not tell anyone....and down we go.

No thanks....
 
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Bind en is not a socialist or anti capitalist the core of the demo party are moderates. They shut down Bernie last year and this yr. him and Warren were both defeated . The most important thing is the trump lied and cost people lives and but all of us in danger.
Biden is senile and has offered ZERO agenda. The moderate dems are caving to the media and socialists. Supposed moderates are not acting moderate. Healthcare crap was not moderate and ignored that they could have easily just modified Medicaid. Kamala is in favor of free college tuition and student loan forgiveness notwithstanding her cute dance around it; free public universities- who pays for that?!?! She has no immigration plan other than illegal entry should not be against the law. She did zip on criminal justice reform (but someone else we know DID). She pushed the minimum wage increase hurting small businesses. She also wants to abolish the death penalty, expand AH, reverse the corporate tax cuts, not use tariffs to our advantage, expand EITC.
Horrible agenda.
 
Biden is senile and has offered ZERO agenda. The moderate dems are caving to the media and socialists. Supposed moderates are not acting moderate. Healthcare crap was not moderate and ignored that they could have easily just modified Medicaid. Kamala is in favor of free college tuition and student loan forgiveness notwithstanding her cute dance around it; free public universities- who pays for that?!?! She has no immigration plan other than illegal entry should not be against the law. She did zip on criminal justice reform (but someone else we know DID). She pushed the minimum wage increase hurting small businesses. She also wants to abolish the death penalty, expand AH, reverse the corporate tax cuts, not use tariffs to our advantage, expand EITC.
Horrible agenda.

People want to paint Joe Biden he is far from a socialist or progressive. Joe Biden is a moderate. Yes, Joe Biden has lost a step. But, if you are supporting Trump, he makes more stupid gaffes than anyone. I just heard him say Bob Woodward doesn't write good. lol Or what about that he could not pronounce Yosemite and pronounced it Yo-Semite. Stop with the Joe is senile. Trump butchers the English language.

I am sorry but just look at Republicans who have come out in support of Joe Biden, Steve Schmidt (Lincoln Project https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html) who ran John McCain's Presidential campaign, ex-republican candidates for the Presidency like Carly Fiorina, and John Kasich, Colin Powell, Meg Whitman, Ex Repub Senators like Warner and Flake, and people who have worked for Trump like Scaramuccio. Ex-Chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael Steele is supporting Biden. President Bush and Jeb Bush as as Mitt Romney have stated they will not support Trump. How many people that have worked for Trump need to come out against Trump - Mattis, Kelly, Tillerson, Bolton? Trump's own sister, a 3rd Circuit of Appeal Federal Judge said he has no principles, he lies and is only out for himself.

All this tells you is that Trump should not be President of this country. This is unheard of that this many people high up in a national party have declared either the support for the opposition party or nonsupport of their own party's candidate.

Yet there are those that will continue to support and vote for this man.

I am going to take a guess and say that I am probably more experienced with the death penalty than anyone else on this board and I am against it. Reasons are for another discussion. Corporate tax cuts were cut ridiculously low and must be raised. Corporate rates went from 35% to 21%. Biden-Harris want it raised to 28%.

No, I don't agree with the idea of free tuition because that's not feasible. Nor do I believe in Medicaid for all. But, people like to throw around that we have a pure capitalistic society with no socialism in this country as they kick back and collect their SOCIAL SECURITY checks.
 
How?
Getting better trade terms with Canada and Mexico?
Keeping peace in ME?
Calling out China for killing everyone with unfair trade and ripping off IP?
Calling out NATO?
Bringing home troops?
I’m telling you I’m so tired that not a single Democrat can point to any single substantive issue with him. I wish they could and we could put up reasonable candidates but the Pelosis, Schiffs, Schumers, AOC, Harris..... they can’t get it done
The USMCA is a slightly better version of NAFTA.

Keeping peace in the Middle East, how exactly is he doing that.

Calling out China and doing something about it are two entirely different things, I will say however that his raising of tariffs on China which resulted in a cost of roughly $57 billion to the american consumer as well as the $22 billion in bailouts to the farmers who suffered as a direct result of his policy made a tremendous amount of sense.

I am all for bringing the troops home and ending these wars which cost us hundreds of billions of dollars and countless numbers of lives.

He constantly talks about lowering prescription drug prices, yet we as american pay about 5% more this year than last which is double the rate of inflation.

He has not delivered on the campaign promises of building a new border wall and having Mexico pay for it, a new healthcare plan for America and lest we forget the promise of a middle class tax cut before the 2018 elections which never came to fruition.

I could talk about the fact that he lies on average over 25 times a day to the American public but, I won't do that.

I could go on but, I have a golf game in a couple of hours.
 
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Might want to consider Kamala negative comments about knights of Columbus or comment that a catholic
should not be nominated for Supreme Court because of the church view on abortion. Don’t know if that
great catholic Joe Biden shares this view likely he doesn’t know if he shares this view he will have to check
the teleprompter
 
People want to paint Joe Biden he is far from a socialist or progressive. Joe Biden is a moderate. Yes, Joe Biden has lost a step. But, if you are supporting Trump, he makes more stupid gaffes than anyone. I just heard him say Bob Woodward doesn't write good. lol Or what about that he could not pronounce Yosemite and pronounced it Yo-Semite. Stop with the Joe is senile. Trump butchers the English language.

I am sorry but just look at Republicans who have come out in support of Joe Biden, Steve Schmidt (Lincoln Project https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html) who ran John McCain's Presidential campaign, ex-republican candidates for the Presidency like Carly Fiorina, and John Kasich, Colin Powell, Meg Whitman, Ex Repub Senators like Warner and Flake, and people who have worked for Trump like Scaramuccio. Ex-Chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael Steele is supporting Biden. President Bush and Jeb Bush as as Mitt Romney have stated they will not support Trump. How many people that have worked for Trump need to come out against Trump - Mattis, Kelly, Tillerson, Bolton? Trump's own sister, a 3rd Circuit of Appeal Federal Judge said he has no principles, he lies and is only out for himself.

All this tells you is that Trump should not be President of this country. This is unheard of that this many people high up in a national party have declared either the support for the opposition party or nonsupport of their own party's candidate.

Yet there are those that will continue to support and vote for this man.

I am going to take a guess and say that I am probably more experienced with the death penalty than anyone else on this board and I am against it. Reasons are for another discussion. Corporate tax cuts were cut ridiculously low and must be raised. Corporate rates went from 35% to 21%. Biden-Harris want it raised to 28%.

No, I don't agree with the idea of free tuition because that's not feasible. Nor do I believe in Medicaid for all. But, people like to throw around that we have a pure capitalistic society with no socialism in this country as they kick back and collect their SOCIAL SECURITY checks.
Appreciate your response.
 
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The USMCA is a slightly better version of NAFTA.

Keeping peace in the Middle East, how exactly is he doing that.

Calling out China and doing something about it are two entirely different things, I will say however that his raising of tariffs on China which resulted in a cost of roughly $57 billion to the american consumer as well as the $22 billion in bailouts to the farmers who suffered as a direct result of his policy made a tremendous amount of sense.

I am all for bringing the troops home and ending these wars which cost us hundreds of billions of dollars and countless numbers of lives.

He constantly talks about lowering prescription drug prices, yet we as american pay about 5% more this year than last which is double the rate of inflation.

He has not delivered on the campaign promises of building a new border wall and having Mexico pay for it, a new healthcare plan for America and lest we forget the promise of a middle class tax cut before the 2018 elections which never came to fruition.

I could talk about the fact that he lies on average over 25 times a day to the American public but, I won't do that.

I could go on but, I have a golf game in a couple of hours.
Appreciate your response.
 
I could go on but, I have a golf game in a couple of hours.

I played today.

Our club had American flags for the pin flags on the 9th and 11th holes.

Nice touch that caused people to pause and think for a moment.
 
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I'm nooooo fan of Biden whatsoever, who is interchangeable policy-wise with the pre-Newt Gingrich Speaker Era centrist Republicans, of which only about a dozen or so still exist in both houses of Congress. But in the interest of harm reduction for the country if nothing else...this craven, criminal scum has to be punted out of DC this November.
 
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I'm nooooo fan of Biden whatsoever, who is interchangeable policy-wise with the pre-Newt Gingrich Speaker Era centrist Republicans, of which only about a dozen or so still exist in both houses of Congress. But in the interest of harm reduction for the country if nothing else...this craven, criminal scum has to be punted out of DC this November.
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Hall85 how do you feel about some significant names in the last 15-20 years coming out on 9/11 and tweeting totally fabrication of what Trump did at Ground Zero with his 100 of his mens in weeks and months after?
 
How do you feel about a senile man running for president who has done nothing in 47 years in Washington other than line his and his family's pockets?
 
How do you feel about a senile man running for president who has done nothing in 47 years in Washington other than line his and his family's pockets?
I have already mentioned that I am not a fan of Trump
 
How do you feel about a senile man running for president who has done nothing in 47 years in Washington other than line his and his family's pockets?

I don’t really agree with the assessment, but I’ll play along...

The hope from the rational people on the right when Trump was elected was that he would get the right people around him to help him. That the adults would keep him in line.

for example...

One positive I see is that with this trend of departures; the adults are winning: Kelly, Mattis, McMaster, Tillerson...I'd be very worried if one or two of them bailed.

As time goes by, the people who were trusted to keep Trump in line all end up fired unless they become “yes men”.

I didn’t want Biden. I didn’t want Harris as his VP. I don’t think the Democratic Party is heading in the right direction... but my hope that even if senile, Biden puts the right people around him to get us back to a more reasonable political tone.

This year, we need a course correction in my opinion and that’s Biden for 2020.
 
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Hall85 how do you feel about some significant names in the last 15-20 years coming out on 9/11 and tweeting totally fabrication of what Trump did at Ground Zero with his 100 of his mens in weeks and months after?
Your question doesn’t make any sense. Try spellcheck before you post. Where have I stated that I am a Trump supporter?
 
I don’t really agree with the assessment, but I’ll play along...

The hope from the rational people on the right when Trump was elected was that he would get the right people around him to help him. That the adults would keep him in line.

for example...



As time goes by, the people who were trusted to keep Trump in line all end up fired unless they become “yes men”.

I didn’t want Biden. I didn’t want Harris as his VP. I don’t think the Democratic Party is heading in the right direction... but my hope that even if senile, Biden puts the right people around him to get us back to a more reasonable political tone.
So what’s your point? I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. But I’m objective enough to understand a TDS post from a clown.
 
So what’s your point? I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. But I’m objective enough to understand a TDS post from a clown.

The point is that we expect the president to surround themselves with intelligent people who will be involved with policy and they will listen to them.

That’s what reasonable conservatives (like yourself) hoped for when Trump was elected. It turns out that The “adults” had no place in the Trump administration.

That is not something I am worried about in a Biden administration.
 
The point is that we expect the president to surround themselves with intelligent people who will be involved with policy and they will listen to them.

That’s what reasonable conservatives (like yourself) hoped for when Trump was elected. It turns out that The “adults” had no place in the Trump administration.

That is not something I am worried about in a Biden administration.
First of all, I’m not a conservative, so that’s your first mistake.

I do agree that you judge a leader by who they surround themselves with. Trump has had hits and misses and it’s been an insane revolving door. But what makes you think Biden is going to do better? Harris is a monumental miss as VP. She has flip flopped on virtually every issue.
 
I don’t really agree with the assessment, but I’ll play along...

The hope from the rational people on the right when Trump was elected was that he would get the right people around him to help him. That the adults would keep him in line.

for example...



As time goes by, the people who were trusted to keep Trump in line all end up fired unless they become “yes men”.

I didn’t want Biden. I didn’t want Harris as his VP. I don’t think the Democratic Party is heading in the right direction... but my hope that even if senile, Biden puts the right people around him to get us back to a more reasonable political tone.

This year, we need a course correction in my opinion and that’s Biden for 2020.

The course correction was the 2016 election. America was moving too far left and too quickly. Another one may be needed this year, but 2016 was the ultimate course correcting election.
 
First of all, I’m not a conservative, so that’s your first mistake.

I do agree that you judge a leader by who they surround themselves with. Trump has had hits and misses and it’s been an insane revolving door. But what makes you think Biden is going to do better? Harris is a monumental miss as VP. She has flip flopped on virtually every issue.

On the political spectrum between liberal and conservative. You are right of center. Thats what I mean when I say you are conservative.

Trumps hits were all fired or quit because of disagreements. The misses are all still there because they just agree with whatever he says.

I believe Biden will be different because of the decades of evidence. I don’t like the VP pick but that is about who he believes is the best pick to win. Not where policy is going.
 
The course correction was the 2016 election. America was moving too far left and too quickly. Another one may be needed this year, but 2016 was the ultimate course correcting election.

If it were Trump vs Sanders I might buy that... and a correction from my view would have been closer to the center with someone like Kasich or Jeb Bush and I would have voted for either one of them over Hillary.
 
On the political spectrum between liberal and conservative. You are right of center. Thats what I mean when I say you are conservative.

Trumps hits were all fired or quit because of disagreements. The misses are all still there because they just agree with whatever he says.

I believe Biden will be different because of the decades of evidence. I don’t like the VP pick but that is about who he believes is the best pick to win. Not where policy is going.
Sorry, but the political spectrum is not made of two colors.

We will agree to disagree on the hits and misses. Biden has given no indication as to who would be on his team. Harris is awful. I’d like to hear who he would surround himself with.
 
I find it interesting the Trump support here. I guess this board is full of Trump apologists.

No apologist here.

Lets go issue by issue and maybe you will understand.

Foreign Policy - Middle East
Foreign Policy - North Korea
Nato
Taxes
Energy
Regulation
Health Care
Trade
Border Security
Immigration
Education
Gun Rights
Abortion
Federal Judges
SCOTA Judges


All you do is rant about tweets and failed conspiracy theories.
 
Why do you support him? Is it the constant lying or is the inability to take responsibility for anything or maybe the gaslighting of any journalist not affiliated with OAN.

I support him because:

He reduced taxes.
He repeals regulations.
He opened Anwar and lowered the price of oil and provided energy independence for the US. That equates to security and a better lifestyle.
He is making NATO countries pay their fair share.
He does not have unconditional foreign aid to get jobs for his kids.
He has reduced regulations
He supports 2nd Amendment
He defends the rights of the children in the womb.
He appoints judges
He has made the border more secured.
He repealed the ACA mandate.
He supports the rule of law
He reduces unemployment
He brings jobs back to the US
He repatriates capital.

Why do you hate him?
 
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The hope from the rational people on the right when Trump was elected was that he would get the right people around him to help him. That the adults would keep him in line.

Nonsense.

As Hurley Sr. once said, "Look at the scoreboard!".

No one needs to keep him in line.

Trump has done more good for the US in 3 years than any president...ever.

The divisiveness that you are so keen to speak of is a product of a bias media.

Talk issues and results instead of your anecdotal nonsense and failed conspiracy theories.
 
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That Mueller report is pretty damning if anyone actually ever read it.

I read it but I'm also waiting for the non-fiction version.

Are you seriously still hanging on to this failed conspiracy theory?
 
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I'm nooooo fan of Biden whatsoever, who is interchangeable policy-wise with the pre-Newt Gingrich Speaker Era centrist Republicans, of which only about a dozen or so still exist in both houses of Congress. But in the interest of harm reduction for the country if nothing else...this craven, criminal scum has to be punted out of DC this November.

A blue chip example of what happens when you spend too much time in mosh pits.
 
Wonder why all Mueller lawyers cleaned their phones.Real honest guys like Andrew Weismann the threatening
prosecutor who has a history of unduly pressuring defendants and withholding info required by discovery laws
was first lawyer Mueller selected and he saw Mueller was out of it so he ran the investigation and still couldn’t
prove collusion and wound showing up lying Adam Schiff who said collusion was clear.Dems don’t think it is wrong to lie
when critiquing trump because he is so evil sad.
 
Nonsense.

As Hurley Sr. once said, "Look at the scoreboard!".

No one needs to keep him in line.

Trump has done more good for the US in 3 years than any president...ever.

The divisiveness that you are so keen to speak of is a product of a bias media.

Talk issues and results instead of your anecdotal nonsense and failed conspiracy theories.
You should edit this to read he has done more good for the percentage and population of citizens who least needed it.
What you say about all his people that left his cabinet/administration?
 
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They serve at the pleasure of the president. They all know that going in.
 
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