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Nonsense.

As Hurley Sr. once said, "Look at the scoreboard!".

No one needs to keep him in line.

Trump has done more good for the US in 3 years than any president...ever.

The divisiveness that you are so keen to speak of is a product of a bias media.

Talk issues and results instead of your anecdotal nonsense and failed conspiracy theories.
james k polk was the greatest president in a term than any other president. guy called all his shots, knocked em down, then peaced outta there
 
We also need to be honest in how the MSM has been ridiculously over the top with Trump on many of his decisions. Two that come to mind...moving the embassy to Jerusalem was going to set off a Palestinian response; and killing Soleiamani was going to create a deadly counterattack by Iran.

And did you notice that CBS keeps playing the same comments over and over again of Trumps interview with Woodward. Yes, that CBS that is also the publisher of the book.

Trump brought this in by calling out the MSM, but they have played right into his hand.
 
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I support him because:

He reduced taxes.
He repeals regulations.
He opened Anwar and lowered the price of oil and provided energy independence for the US. That equates to security and a better lifestyle.
He is making NATO countries pay their fair share.
He does not have unconditional foreign aid to get jobs for his kids.
He has reduced regulations
He supports 2nd Amendment
He defends the rights of the children in the womb.
He appoints judges
He has made the border more secured.
He repealed the ACA mandate.
He supports the rule of law
He reduces unemployment
He brings jobs back to the US
He repatriates capital.

Why do you hate him?
Taxes. This is a big fail He reduced taxes on corporations to a ridiculously low 21% and the wealthy. The middle classs got bought off for a few scheckles So what results is that he spent more and with reduced taxes we had 3 trillion more in debt during a great economy and this was before CoVid What will be his contribution to the national debt in 4 years? 7 trillion? Hell of a business guy there.

Regulations? Maybe some were valid but many are going to harm the environment.

The US production of crude oil was increasing steadily since 2009. It was already oil independent before Trump and was already trending to be the leader crude oil production when Trump took over. It was already the number 1 energy producer in the world during the Obama years. The price of oil has nothing to do with Trump.

Second Amendment, Another BS argument unless you want assault weapons. I have never heard of a serious politician for President ever say repeal the second amendment.

the rest of your list is a laughable lis. Protect children around the world? Really how. He cares nothing about human rights.

Appoints judges like every other President. How is this an accomplishment?

Unemployment was the continuing downtrend of the Obama presidency. So look at the trend since Obama, the only time it rises is during Trump during CoVid and you have to live with that.
I don’t think repeal of the ACa mandates are a good thing

he does not support rule of law and a matter of fact he is a corrupter of the Rule of Law Total fallacy.
Jobs Hmm. Where are those manufacturing jobs coming back from Chin? They are not Coming back to the US. Total fallacy
This is a list of lies and no accomplishments unless you are really wealthy then taxes cuts for the rich was quite an accomplishment.
 
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You should edit this to read he has done more good for the percentage and population of citizens who least needed it.

More nonsense. You just refuse to recognize the accomplishments.

There is no basis or defense of your post. It is pure emotion.

I am happy to debate it if you wish. Please bring real facts.
 
More nonsense. You just refuse to recognize the accomplishments.

There is no basis or defense of your post. It is pure emotion.

I am happy to debate it if you wish. Please bring real facts.
I want to know your age range, how you identify your race, your pro industry and your tax bracket...there aren't many real accomplishments that occurred. I said this months ago and I will say it now he punted his chance with term two with how he handled the last 6 months.
I will go even pre pandemic, having lower unemployment at a time serves how many great when created jobs are at lower ends of wages and earnings scale?

I really don't care republican/democrat but he is the least uniting leader of a free world we have seen. He treated this office like he was doing his reality tv show.

I would say this, I am more dissapointed of the two national parties over the last cycle for presidential candidates.
 
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I want to know your age range, how you identify your race, your pro industry and your tax bracket...there aren't many real accomplishments that occurred. I said this months ago and I will say it now he punted his chance with term two with how he handled the last 6 months.
I will go even pre pandemic, having lower unemployment at a time serves how many great when created jobs are at lower ends of wages and earnings scale?

I really don't care republican/democrat but he is the least uniting leader of a free world we have seen. He treated this office like he was doing his reality tv show.

I would say this, I am more dissapointed of the two national parties over the last cycle for presidential candidates.
So now you are an ageist and a racist and against people of a certain tax bracket? Wow!
 
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He reduced taxes on corporations to a ridiculously low 21%

Why such a big issue with corporate taxes? The U.S. went from one of the very highest in the world to middle of the pack in corporate tax rates. It's necessary to do this to remain competitive. And it doesn't raise or lose much in tax revenue anyways. In the year before the tax rate went down, it raised approx. $350 billion. In the first year after the decrease it raised approx. $260 billion, the second year after the decrease it raised approx. $300 billion.
 
I want to know your age range, how you identify your race, your pro industry and your tax bracket...there aren't many real accomplishments that occurred. I said this months ago and I will say it now he punted his chance with term two with how he handled the last 6 months.
I will go even pre pandemic, having lower unemployment at a time serves how many great when created jobs are at lower ends of wages and earnings scale?

I really don't care republican/democrat but he is the least uniting leader of a free world we have seen. He treated this office like he was doing his reality tv show.

I would say this, I am more dissapointed of the two national parties over the last cycle for presidential candidates.


Your response is incoherent and lacks substance. However, it does have emotion....which I expected from you.

Issues, for me, it's all about the issues. The rest of it is window dressing.
 
Why such a big issue with corporate taxes? The U.S. went from one of the very highest in the world to middle of the pack in corporate tax rates. It's necessary to do this to remain competitive. And it doesn't raise or lose much in tax revenue anyways. In the year before the tax rate went down, it raised approx. $350 billion. In the first year after the decrease it raised approx. $260 billion, the second year after the decrease it raised approx. $300 billion.
So that's a loss of $140 billion. But it is even more since corporations had record profits during those two years. Can you imagine what that figure would be by closing tax loopholes? There was no reason to reduce corporate rate to under 30%. Hell, Biden is proposing 28%..

So you are ok with losing revenue and spending more? 3 trillion more in debt during a great economy in three years? Where are all the conservative/tea party people crying about spending deficits?
 
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So that's a loss of $140 billion. But it is even more since corporations had record profits during those two years. There was no reason to reduce corporate rate to under 30%. Hell, Biden is proposing 28%..

Better check your research data, little increase in corporate profits, see the federal economic data from the St. Louis Fed:

2018: Corporate profits were up 0.16% from 2017
2019: Corporate profits were up 2.32% from 2018

So you are ok with losing revenue and spending more? 3 trillion more in debt during a great economy in three years? Where are all the conservative/tea party people crying about spending deficits?

LOL, where the hell have you been. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, has railed more against abhorrent spending and deficits than me here. When Bush did it, I was here. When Obama did it, I was here. When Trump did it, I was here. Where have you been all along on abhorrent spending and deficits?

We have much, much more of a spending problem than a revenue problem. When we had surpluses under Clinton and Gingrich, the federal government spent about 18% of GDP. Don't you agree that is where we should be at in spending?
 
The point is that we expect the president to surround themselves with intelligent people who will be involved with policy and they will listen to them.

That’s what reasonable conservatives (like yourself) hoped for when Trump was elected. It turns out that The “adults” had no place in the Trump administration.

That is not something I am worried about in a Biden administration.
I was hopeful Obama was going to surround himself with the right people. Don’t we always hope this?
regardless of whether the presidents did or didn’t we should review what actually got done.
 
I support him because:

He reduced taxes.
He repeals regulations.
He opened Anwar and lowered the price of oil and provided energy independence for the US. That equates to security and a better lifestyle.
He is making NATO countries pay their fair share.
He does not have unconditional foreign aid to get jobs for his kids.
He has reduced regulations
He supports 2nd Amendment
He defends the rights of the children in the womb.
He appoints judges
He has made the border more secured.
He repealed the ACA mandate.
He supports the rule of law
He reduces unemployment
He brings jobs back to the US
He repatriates capital.

Why do you hate him?

While he did reduce taxes, it was for the corporations and the top 5-10% percent of earners in the country while throwing a few crumbs here and there to the middle class.

Repealing some of the regulations imposed by the government was a good thing but, I think a lot of what he did is going to be harmful to the environment over the long term.

His opening of Anwar has nothing to do with the price of oil and as others have pointed out America was producing more oil than it was importing before he took office and I am not sure how the price of oil leads to greater security, but I am sure you will explain how that works

Making the members of NATO pay their fair share is a good thing but, I don't know if they will follow through but, I do agree it needed to change.

While he has not used foreign aid to get his kids jobs, he has used his office to put a lot of money into his and his kids pockets, which we as a society should be outraged about but, in the age of Trump, no one seems to care.

Every serious candidate running for any office supports the second amendment, outside of the banning of some assault weapons.

I am sure Joe Biden a lifelong PRACTICING Catholic supports the rights of children in the womb.

Every president appoints judges, it is part of the job.

Illegal border crossing have been trending down for years but hey, we did need to spend billions of dollars to build an additional 3 miles of fence.

I personally did not like the repeal of the individual mandate but, that is just my opinion, if you are a fan of it than that is fine and we can agree to disagree on the issue.

How exactly does he support the rule of law?

Unemployment had been trending down for years.

There are about 250,000 more manufacturing jobs in the US than there was in 2017 so, that is a good thing as I am all for putting more people back to work. He did however promise the coal miners that he would bring back jobs but, there are less people employed in the coal industry then there were in 2017 when he took office.

The repatriated capital,was used for stock buybacks by the vast majority of companies, not to hire workers.


Hate is a strong word and I have never stated that I hated him, I just find him to be woefully unqualified for the job and another 4 years of him in office could lead America to a place from which we may never recover.
 
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While he did reduce taxes, it was for the corporations and the top 5-10% percent of earners in the country while throwing a few crumbs here and there to the middle class.

Repealing some of the regulations imposed by the government was a good thing but, I think a lot of what he did is going to be harmful to the environment over the long term.

His opening of Anwar has nothing to do with the price of oil and as others have pointed out America was producing more oil than it was importing before he took office and I am not sure how the price of oil leads to greater security, but I am sure you will explain how that works

Making the members of NATO pay their fair share is a good thing but, I don't know if they will follow through but, I do agree it needed to change.

While he has not used foreign aid to get his kids jobs, he has used his office to put a lot of money into his and his kids pockets, which we as a society should be outraged about but, in the age of Trump, no one seems to care.

Every serious candidate running for any office supports the second amendment, outside of the banning of some assault weapons.

I am sure Joe Biden a lifelong PRACTICING Catholic supports the rights of children in the womb.

Every president appoints judges, it is part of the job.

Illegal border crossing have been trending down for years but hey, we did need to spend billions of dollars to build an additional 3 miles of fence.

I personally did not like the repeal of the individual mandate but, that is just my opinion, if you are a fan of it than that is fine and we can agree to disagree on the issue.

How exactly does he support the rule of law?

Unemployment had been trending down for years.

There are about 250,000 more manufacturing jobs in the US than there was in 2017 so, that is a good thing as I am all for putting more people back to work. He did however promise the coal miners that he would bring back jobs but, there are less people employed in the coal industry then there were in 2017 when he took office.

The repatriated capital,was used for stock buybacks by the vast majority of companies, not to hire workers.


Hate is a strong word and I have never stated that I hated him, I just find him to be woefully unqualified for the job and another 4 years of him in office could lead America to a place from which we may never recover.
pretty great post. not emotional. hopefully can inspire respectful debate from basically 90% of this board.

the environment was a small point you made, and this board isnt exactly the demographic to care, but its becoming a very very big problem and trump is set on fast tracking it. the older i get the more i care about it.
 
Does Biden have a platform? All I heard today was Trump - Bad and a bunch of platitudes on global warming. Does he have a vision, a plan? I haven't heard him spell it out yet, but seems like a lot of people here will vote sight unseen.
 
Does Biden have a platform? All I heard today was Trump - Bad and a bunch of platitudes on global warming. Does he have a vision, a plan? I haven't heard him spell it out yet, but seems like a lot of people here will vote sight unseen.
believe it or not, "not trump" is a platform. just like "not hillary" was 4 years ago.
 
How did that work out in 2016?

What’s the definition of insanity???
haha i suppose its more related to realizing the grass is always greener. its a catch 22. strive to maintain consistency or get out when you know you should.

there is no good answer. rich continue to widen the gap. really depressing isnt it.
 
haha i suppose its more related to realizing the grass is always greener. its a catch 22. strive to maintain consistency or get out when you know you should.

there is no good answer. rich continue to widen the gap. really depressing isnt it.
So isn’t it time to revisit the “programs” that have brought us here? I say yes but that is not going to legitimately happen under the current circumstances
 
haha i suppose its more related to realizing the grass is always greener. its a catch 22. strive to maintain consistency or get out when you know you should.

there is no good answer. rich continue to widen the gap. really depressing isnt it.
So use your vote to change things.
 
So use your vote to change things.
i do vote. every vote counts but in the end just one vote. luckily i vote in a swing state and a swing county. votes in the cities typically dont matter at least for the presidency.
 
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i do vote. every vote counts but in the end just one vote. luckily i vote in a swing state and a swing county. votes in the cities typically dont matter at least for the presidency.

Your posts read like a recent college grads who has had the same left talking points shoved down their throat for 4 years. I don't mean that as an insult either. America is a land of opportunity, work hard and good things usually happen.
 
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Your posts read like a recent college grads who has had the same left talking points shoved down their throat for 4 years. I don't mean that as an insult either. America is a land of opportunity, work hard and good things usually happen.
your comment reads just like all boomer right wing talking points though. "the land of opportunity" was set up since the 1500s to continue the divide between aristocracy and poor with race intersected in between. who you were born to matters more than anything, just like it did back before the colonizers landed here. In fact, having the poor slave away for the 1% is how america even got its first investment. Class is the most intentionally ignored subject within every event of american history.

my comment wasnt really wrong either. i stay registered at my parents house to have a vote that matters more. nothing liberal or cliche about it.
 
your comment reads just like all boomer right wing talking points though. "the land of opportunity" was set up since the 1500s to continue the divide between aristocracy and poor with race intersected in between. who you were born to matters more than anything, just like it did back before the colonizers landed here. In fact, having the poor slave away for the 1% is how america even got its first investment. Class is the most intentionally ignored subject within every event of american history.

SMH
 
your comment reads just like all boomer right wing talking points though. "the land of opportunity" was set up since the 1500s to continue the divide between aristocracy and poor with race intersected in between. who you were born to matters more than anything, just like it did back before the colonizers landed here. In fact, having the poor slave away for the 1% is how america even got its first investment. Class is the most intentionally ignored subject within every event of american history.

my comment wasnt really wrong either. i stay registered at my parents house to have a vote that matters more. nothing liberal or cliche about it.
Actually, I don’t really like to get into stereotypes whether they be age, race, religion or anything else. You and I may differ on issues, but you strike me as a bright young guy that has strong convictions in his beliefs.

I don’t care what country you might be born, but no one starts on a level playing field. Life isn’t fair, and it isn’t easy and success isn’t guaranteed to anyone. But this is the land of opportunity and far fewer barriers than there are in virtually any part of the world.

There are also numerous companies that have created great diverse cultures. Pretty easy to find those numbers. If somebody shows up at my doorstep with the willingness to work hard and embrace teamwork, that’s 98% of it. Culture kills strategy every time.
 
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Actually, I don’t really like to get into stereotypes whether they be age, race, religion or anything else. You and I may differ on issues, but you strike me as a bright young guy that has strong convictions in his beliefs.

I don’t care what country you might be born, but no one starts on a level playing field. Life isn’t fair, and it isn’t easy and success isn’t guaranteed to anyone. But this is the land of opportunity and far fewer barriers than there are in virtually any part of the world.

There are also numerous companies that have created great diverse cultures. Pretty easy to find those numbers. If somebody shows up at my doorstep with the willingness to work hard and embrace teamwork, that’s 98% of it. Culture kills strategy every time.
i never said anything contrary to what you said. simply addressing kniespolice.

its great you accept anyone who will work hard that knocks on your door but the reality is most positions will go to people within the same circles. think of it like our coaching head searches open to everyone.
 
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you strike me as a bright young guy that has strong convictions in his beliefs.

haha not that bright and judging by my hairline not that young 😐

the conversation on this board has started to become more of, well, normal conversation. everyone has something to learn. i have lots.
 
i never said anything contrary to what you said. simply addressing kniespolice.

its great you accept anyone who will work hard that knocks on your door but the reality is most positions will go to people within the same circles. think of it like our coaching head searches open to everyone.
In the Big East it Certainly is.:)
 
your comment reads just like all boomer right wing talking points though. "the land of opportunity" was set up since the 1500s to continue the divide between aristocracy and poor with race intersected in between. who you were born to matters more than anything, just like it did back before the colonizers landed here. In fact, having the poor slave away for the 1% is how america even got its first investment. Class is the most intentionally ignored subject within every event of american history.

my comment wasnt really wrong either. i stay registered at my parents house to have a vote that matters more. nothing liberal or cliche about it.

I'm 31, certainly more conservative than liberal. I've worked hard, people have noticed and I've received opportunities but it took grinding for 5 years in an entry level job for a large diverse global corp that didn't even require a college degree before I was given a shot.

I don't look at every thing thru identity politics. I wish we'd stop identifying people's worth by their race or sexuality, they have no importance. Instead are you a good person is what's important.
 
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your comment reads just like all boomer right wing talking points though. "the land of opportunity" was set up since the 1500s to continue the divide between aristocracy and poor with race intersected in between. who you were born to matters more than anything, just like it did back before the colonizers landed here. In fact, having the poor slave away for the 1% is how america even got its first investment. Class is the most intentionally ignored subject within every event of american history.

my comment wasnt really wrong either. i stay registered at my parents house to have a vote that matters more. nothing liberal or cliche about it.
at my parents house?
 
Taxes. This is a big fail He reduced taxes on corporations to a ridiculously low 21% and the wealthy.


I recall you posting ad nausea about the fact that your taxes want up. you were and still are bitter.

Move to a more tax friendly state!
 
strong point

It's actually sad that you believe the stuff you said above. Not really your fault as kniespolice said, but the brainwashing of young people in schools today is pretty wild.
 
I don't look at every thing thru identity politics. I wish we'd stop identifying people's worth by their race or sexuality, they have no importance. Instead are you a good person is what's important.

This. Identity politics only serves to divide people.
 
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While he did reduce taxes, it was for the corporations and the top 5-10% percent of earners in the country while throwing a few crumbs here and there to the middle class.

Repealing some of the regulations imposed by the government was a good thing but, I think a lot of what he did is going to be harmful to the environment over the long term.

His opening of Anwar has nothing to do with the price of oil and as others have pointed out America was producing more oil than it was importing before he took office and I am not sure how the price of oil leads to greater security, but I am sure you will explain how that works

Making the members of NATO pay their fair share is a good thing but, I don't know if they will follow through but, I do agree it needed to change.

While he has not used foreign aid to get his kids jobs, he has used his office to put a lot of money into his and his kids pockets, which we as a society should be outraged about but, in the age of Trump, no one seems to care.

Every serious candidate running for any office supports the second amendment, outside of the banning of some assault weapons.

I am sure Joe Biden a lifelong PRACTICING Catholic supports the rights of children in the womb.

Every president appoints judges, it is part of the job.

Illegal border crossing have been trending down for years but hey, we did need to spend billions of dollars to build an additional 3 miles of fence.

I personally did not like the repeal of the individual mandate but, that is just my opinion, if you are a fan of it than that is fine and we can agree to disagree on the issue.

How exactly does he support the rule of law?

Unemployment had been trending down for years.

There are about 250,000 more manufacturing jobs in the US than there was in 2017 so, that is a good thing as I am all for putting more people back to work. He did however promise the coal miners that he would bring back jobs but, there are less people employed in the coal industry then there were in 2017 when he took office.

The repatriated capital,was used for stock buybacks by the vast majority of companies, not to hire workers.


Hate is a strong word and I have never stated that I hated him, I just find him to be woefully unqualified for the job and another 4 years of him in office could lead America to a place from which we may never recover.


I appreciate you replying with substance as opposed to complaining that Trump tweeted something.

I will debate a few of your points in the spirit of good discussion.

"While he did reduce taxes, it was for the corporations and the top 5-10% percent of earners in the country while throwing a few crumbs here and there to the middle class."

I think that is a tad anecdotal. We all know the other side of the argument that the 5-10% are paying 70% of the taxes and so they benefit more from a tax reduction. I think this is a good thing.

Reducing corporate taxes is a good thing. I would rather have the corporation invest it in their business than have the government spend it on "programs".

The repatriation of the off shore money was a good thing. I believe in very limited government and support anything that helps private industry. As long we have guardrails to prevent monopolies and conditions of the robber baron era, etc., I am for it. I also agree that reasonable environmental regulation is necessary. Reasonable is the operative word. If you recall what we did to the steel industry with environmental regulation, that is an example of unreasonable regulation that cost us an entire industry. That one hit close to home.

 
It's actually sad that you believe the stuff you said above. Not really your fault as kniespolice said, but the brainwashing of young people in schools today is pretty wild.
"that stuff" isnt that crazy or wrong? i fail to see how what i said is so aggressively incorrect. didnt think i brought up anything that complex.
 
"that stuff" isnt that crazy or wrong? i fail to see how what i said is so aggressively incorrect. didnt think i brought up anything that complex.

There was no USA in the 1500s. Since it's founding (and particularly in the 19th and 20th centuries), America has certainly been the land of opportunity where those who work hard can make it regardless of background.
 
I'm 31, certainly more conservative than liberal. I've worked hard, people have noticed and I've received opportunities but it took grinding for 5 years in an entry level job for a large diverse global corp that didn't even require a college degree before I was given a shot.

I don't look at every thing thru identity politics. I wish we'd stop identifying people's worth by their race or sexuality, they have no importance. Instead are you a good person is what's important.
i agree with your last point but:

1) "5 WHOLE years" working hard starting entry level. there are people who work hard 20'years at an entry level job and get nowhere. do you realize that despite denying it, it has very much to do with race and sexuality and class?

2) its great you feel that way about identity politics, but you are seriously denying the fact it IS that way in America and has been since its beginning. its hardly debatable.

3) my original point is that class has been ignored in the rememberence of every single event in history. and plays a big part. its not the american dream as advertised for many people. you mentioned race and sexuality but ommitted class.... exactly the point i was making. i never said anything about race or sexuality before you brought it up.
 
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