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Stat: As of last week, the CDC recorded 165 flu-related hospitalizations since October. During the 2019–2020 flu season, about 400,000 people were hospitalized with the flu and 22,000 people died. “Flu has been essentially nonexistent,” infectious disease expert Dr. William Schaffner told NPR.
 
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Stat: As of last week, the CDC recorded 165 flu-related hospitalizations since October. During the 2019–2020 flu season, about 400,000 people were hospitalized with the flu and 22,000 people died. “Flu has been essentially nonexistent,” infectious disease expert Dr. William Schaffner told NPR.
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I would guess that the group that is normally hospitalized or die from the flu are the most compromised...unfortunately COVID has done a pre-emptive strike on that population.
 
Beyond the death #'s. People just aren't getting the flu this year. Tamiflu prescriptions are extremely low compared to any other year. More flu vaccines were given this year, and all of the precautions we are taking for Covid are also very effective against the flu.
 
Definitely a combo of both above, plus all the other facts related to covid: less group gatherings, especially for the high risk populations, social distancing, masks and I assume less people moving around society when they feel sick.
 
I think it's clear at this point that covid is airborne and masks do little to stop it. The reason I come to this conclusion is because the flu, which is a droplet virus, is at extremely low levels due to masking and distancing.
 
How much of the non existence of the flu has to do with kids not being in school. Kids tend to spread the flu rampantly.
 
shu09 said:
I think it's clear at this point that covid is airborne and masks do little to stop it. The reason I come to this conclusion is because the flu, which is a droplet virus, is at extremely low levels due to masking and distancing.
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Masks are not 100% effective. The reduce the amount of the virus you shed into the air around you if you are infected, extending the amount of time that you can be near someone before infecting them. Many studies show that to be true.

The need for the mask is because it is more contagious than the flu.
 
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It will be interesting to see in future winter seasons if the CDC will recommend all americans to social distance and wear masks to prevent flu infections. I wouldn't be shocked if this is the way things will happen.
 
this is great. now if we all stop driving we can eliminate vehicle deaths next.
 
SHUSA said:
this is great. now if we all stop driving we can eliminate vehicle deaths next.
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This will not happen. But CDC now has precedence to do this for future flu season for mask wearing/social distancing
 
shufan1993 said:
This will not happen. But CDC now has precedence to do this for future flu season for mask wearing/social distancing
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people cant see the forrest among the trees. we can eliminate all bad things if we just sit in a corner till we die.
 
SHUSA said:
people cant see the forrest among the trees. we can eliminate all bad things if we just sit in a corner till we die.
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Correct. Some posters on here just don't see the power the government/CDC now has. Well, we will see in the coming years. Has I have been telling this board since the beginning of this mess, we will be wearing masks for the rest of our lives!
 
shufan1993 said:
This will not happen. But CDC now has precedence to do this for future flu season for mask wearing/social distancing
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If there are any government restrictions, school closures, mandated business closures or the like for future "flu" seasons, this citizens of this country should riot. We lived with season flu for a long, long time and did just fine.
 
dehere23 said:
If there are any government restrictions, school closures, mandated business closures or the like for future "flu" seasons, this citizens of this country should riot. We lived with season flu for a long, long time and did just fine.
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Oh baby! Just wait. This is just the beginning!
 
Merge said:
Masks are not 100% effective. The reduce the amount of the virus you shed into the air around you if you are infected, extending the amount of time that you can be near someone before infecting them. Many studies show that to be true.

The need for the mask is because it is more contagious than the flu.
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The masks are the reason for the flu numbers. They have not prevented COVID well at all.
 
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To be clear, are you saying that all of the studies showing that they help mitigate the risk of spread are wrong?
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No, I just think that in the real world, they haven't mitigated it to a significant extent. Case in point: Fauci/CDC now says wear two.
 
Exactly. Real world observations are better than any study.
 
donnie_baseball said:
No, I just think that in the real world, they haven't mitigated it to a significant extent. Case in point: Fauci/CDC now says wear two.
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The extent is difficult to quantify since the alternative is unknown.
For example, where would we be today if masks were not mandated anywhere?

It was really the only took we had for almost an entire year, and the studies show they helped. Not prevent the spread, but to mitigate the risk or more rapid spread.
 
donnie_baseball said:
No, I just think that in the real world, they haven't mitigated it to a significant extent. Case in point: Fauci/CDC now says wear two.
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But do we have that proof since the base case would be numbers over the course of time if there was no mask mandate/recommendation? We can compare this flu season to prior flu seasons. We cannot compare this Covid season to multiple “maskless” Covid seasons, can we?

I’ve managed to avoid Covid while working and being active the last year. Would I have gotten it if I and those around me were maskless? Don’t know.

Can’t wait til I can go without a mask. Doesn’t really bother me that I’ve had to wear one in public the last year. Closures bother me. Wearing a mask in Home Depot does not. Hoping the vaccine and further infection leads to herd immunity and therapeutics make the handling of Covid similar to seasonal flu.
 
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shu09 said:
Exactly. Real world observations are better than any study.
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That doesn't make any sense.

Assume we had the vaccine on day 1 and started giving it to everyone.
We vaccinate the entire population but thousands of people across the country are still getting Covid each day. Do you then say that the real world observations show that the vaccine is ineffective because people are still getting Covid?

Or do you have to understand the science behind it and how it prevented hundreds of thousands of infections per day?
 
Merge said:
That doesn't make any sense.

Assume we had the vaccine on day 1 and started giving it to everyone.
We vaccinate the entire population but thousands of people across the country are still getting Covid each day. Do you then say that the real world observations show that the vaccine is ineffective because people are still getting Covid?

Or do you have to understand the science behind it and how it prevented hundreds of thousands of infections per day?
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Do you recommend mandatory mask wearing for future flu seasons!
 
shufan1993 said:
Do you recommend mandatory mask wearing for future flu seasons!
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People can do whatever they want, but I would not support a mandate for the flu.
We have a vaccine and effective treatments for the flu.

Heading that way for Covid as well. Just a matter of time now.
 
Merge said:
People can do whatever they want, but I would not support a mandate for the flu.
We have a vaccine and effective treatments for the flu.

Heading that way for Covid as well. Just a matter of time now.
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You don’t have dr wacko on mute? Shame on you.

Once we have a Covid vaccine cycle and sufficient therapeutics, it’ll be treated just like the flu. Non event.
 
sami said:
You don’t have dr wacko on mute? Shame on you.

Once we have a Covid vaccine cycle and sufficient therapeutics, it’ll be treated just like the flu. Non event.
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When people don't know what they are talking about- they resort to name calling. Shame on this poster.
 
Merge said:
The extent is difficult to quantify since the alternative is unknown.
For example, where would we be today if masks were not mandated anywhere?

It was really the only took we had for almost an entire year, and the studies show they helped. Not prevent the spread, but to mitigate the risk or more rapid spread.
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Sweden does not recommend mask wearing in general and most have not. They also never shut down their economy. Vast majority of their deaths were in nursing homes. I do believe masks do help prevent the spread and are a good measure. I don’t believe they are as effective as you may think.
 
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HALL85 said:
Sweden does not recommend mask wearing in general and most have not. They also never shut down their economy. Vast majority of their deaths were in nursing homes. I do believe masks do help prevent the spread and are a good measure. I don’t believe they are as effective as you may think.
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Even if it's not as effective as some think, wearing masks doesn't cause Covid. And side benefit, some people keep their stink breath to themselves.
 
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I do believe masks do help prevent the spread and are a good measure. I don’t believe they are as effective as you may think.
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So you agree with me, but assume you also don't agree at the same time?

I think I have been pretty clear here on my views on masks. They are not close to 100% effective and most people don't wear them correctly... BUT they are the only tool we had other than isolation to help mitigate the risk of spread. Many studies have shown that even cloth masks reduce the amount of the virus you are sheading into the area around you and how far it travels. I just disagree with the characterization that they are not effective because people were still getting Covid. It's like walking outside and saying umbrellas don't work because people still get wet when it rains.
 
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So you agree with me, but assume you also don't agree at the same time?

I think I have been pretty clear here on my views on masks. They are not close to 100% effective and most people don't wear them correctly... BUT they are the only tool we had other than isolation to help mitigate the risk of spread. Many studies have shown that even cloth masks reduce the amount of the virus you are sheading into the area around you and how far it travels. I just disagree with the characterization that they are not effective because people were still getting Covid. It's like walking outside and saying umbrellas don't work because people still get wet when it rains.
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I think their effectiveness is greatly overstated (politicizing). I’ve been pretty clear as well that there are far more effective ways to keep from getting the virus and being impacted severely.
 
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Even if it's not as effective as some think, wearing masks doesn't cause Covid. And side benefit, some people keep their stink breath to themselves.
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Why do you have friends with bad breath? Lol
 
HALL85 said:
I think their effectiveness is greatly overstated (politicizing). I’ve been pretty clear as well that there are far more effective ways to keep from getting the virus and being impacted severely.
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Assume you have to be in public a lot. You have taken steps to ensure that you will not be impacted severely if you get the virus. What is a better tool to mitigate the risk that you could pass the virus to others if you get infected but don’t know you are infected?
 
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Merge said:
Assume you have to be in public a lot. You have taken steps to ensure that you will not be impacted severely if you get the virus. What is a better tool to mitigate the risk that you could pass the virus to others if you get infected but don’t know you are infected?
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i second this. i have no idea what hes talking about. whats better?
 
Merge said:
Assume you have to be in public a lot. You have taken steps to ensure that you will not be impacted severely if you get the virus. What is a better tool to mitigate the risk that you could pass the virus to others if you get infected but don’t know you are infected?
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Not sure what you’re getting at. I gave you an example of Sweden where masking is optional and not prevalent. I don’t think it’s as important in saving lives as it’s being advertised. I do wear a mask if I am in a crowded area...common sense. I steer clear of the elderly and unhealthy.
 
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HALL85 said:
Not sure what you’re getting at. I gave you an example of Sweden where masking is optional and not prevalent. I do wear a mask if I am in a crowded area...common sense. I steer clear of the elderly and unhealthy.
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what I’m getting at is there was not a better tool in mitigating the risk of spread from us to others. It’s all we had outside of distance.
 
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