ok.... so assuming you have to be around people, What is a better tool to mitigate the risk that you could pass the virus to others if you get infected but don’t know you’re infected?
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ok.... so assuming you have to be around people, What is a better tool to mitigate the risk that you could pass the virus to others if you get infected but don’t know you’re infected?
never pegged Hall85 to get caught in an nyshoreguy situation. but here we are lol
youve had two times to explain what is a better tool, when asked verbatim. youve deflected.
im actually curious of this answer.
I’ve been saying the answer for months. The best way to prevent you from getting the virus or being hospitalized is to live a healthy lifestyle. Eliminate or reduce your comorbitities if possible. Use common sense too. Don’t go to rallies, protests, mass gatherings or riots. The numbers support that. Yes, wearing a mask helps too, but this all started when merge asked for an example of comparing a country that’s not wearing masks and I suggested Sweden.
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He’s just so used to disagreeing with me that even when he agreed, he was still trying to twist it into disagreement. So now he has to keep deflecting on a pretty simple question he doubled down on.
That is the best way to protect yourself in the long term. No disagreement there.
That is not the best tool to protect those around you if you might be infected but not know it.
That’s not what I asked.. too many cultural and environmental differences between them and us, but why not compare them to their neighbors who are taking it more seriously, but have had much better results than Sweden?
I gave you a comparison of a country that doesn’t promote masks. Of course there are cultural and other issues. There are also differences between states. How is that deflecting?
I’m in Florida this week and just observing, relaxed mask wearing (which has been the case), but responsible social distancing. Half the deaths/100k of NJ and NY. It’s noticeable seeing the numbers of people exercising, fit, mostly elderly.
You're deflecting because I said a mask is the best tool we had to prevent spreading the virus from us to others.
You replied that it was not the best tool.
I asked for what the better tool is in preventing the spread to others, and you started talking about Sweden - where they have not done as well as their neighbors who mandated masks.
On Florida, how about since after that first wave since it was spreading in NJ rapidly before we knew it was here and didn't have time to prepare and didn't know how to respond yet?
July first:
NJ - 15k deaths, 1,709 per million
Florida - 3.5k deaths, 163 per million
Today
NJ - 22k deaths, 2,565 per million
Florida - 30k deaths, 1,382 per million
All I was saying was that masks help and there is scientific evidence that shows that is true. You appear to agree with that, but still want to find a way to disagree for some reason.
I think I’ve been pretty clear on this. Masks help, but the degree of which they help is debatable. I point to Sweden once again. The Ministry of Health admits that the majority of the deaths (which are still well below the US), was due to poor decisions in managing nursing homes which accounted for most of the 16k or so deaths in the country. Most of the workforce in Stockholm (most populated city) commutes by subway, yet the number of non-nursing home deaths is small.
The main reason we went harder on mask wearing in the spring was due to the concern about hospital capacity. That is not the case now. Mask overuse can also create issues...for instance, breathing in more of the CO2 you are exhaling over time. Just saying the “common sense” approach Sweden took deserves some merit.
It’s okay to look back and assess what we did and what mistakes were made. For instance, putting people on ventilators immediately was by far the worst thing that we could have done.
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So the effectiveness of masks is debatable... but you then go on to state that nonsense like it is a fact? When the gas exchange claims have been debunked many, many times?
Face masks have negligible negative effect on CO2 and O2 levels
A new study tests whether wearing face masks limits the gas exchange involved in breathing and finds that it does not — even in people with lung disease.
www.medicalnewstoday.com
Did you even read the story? 30 subjects; and what mask are they wearing? Even they admit it’s inconclusive. And there is no standard for masks right now...some handmade ones I have seen have three layers of fabric.So the effectiveness of masks is debatable... but you then go on to state that nonsense like it is a fact? When the gas exchange claims have been debunked many, many times?
Face masks have negligible negative effect on CO2 and O2 levels
A new study tests whether wearing face masks limits the gas exchange involved in breathing and finds that it does not — even in people with lung disease.
What are the effects of someone exercising for an extended period? Put a plastic bag over your head and tell me how that works out.
It's my claim masks worked. I backed that up with scientific evidence.
I saw several studies on it CO2 impact from masks when the claims first came around. It wasn't ever true.
It's your claim that masks hurt you because you are inhaling more Co2. Support that claim with evidence.
The only 100% effective preventative against Covid-19 is lunch at a fully occupied Capital Grill
And I while agree they have worked to limit spread it’s not clear how much they have really helped reduce the number of deaths compared to other things that could have or needed to be done.
It's March 14th - the virus is here and spreading. The NBA paused the season, the College basketball conference tournaments have been cancelled, MLB has suspended spring training for a month - what should we do? Your original response was to go to a cooking class in NYC. Ultimately, masks were determined to be the quickest and most cost effective way to limit the spread. And now you agree masks have worked to limit the spread. You've come a long way baby!
Hall85 frefling. its no longer called the nyshorguy its called the Hall85. not only has he still not answered the original question (cause he has no answer and made a loaded statement) and now hes also receded on his claim and indeed admits that masks DO help limit spread.
merge is right hes just arguing with him for the sake of it.
merge is right hes just arguing with him for the sake of it.
My position has been the same. You don’t like my answer; that’s cool. Enjoy being merge’s cheerleader.
Your position hasn't been the same. It has changed dramatically. Of course, I see once you are challenged you revert to insults - "Enjoy being merge's cheerleader". Trolling is only a good thing when you do it to someone else. When it happens to you - look out! Personally, I used to enjoy when you would troll me back but now you have cancelled me. Disappointing but it's probably better this way. I know how sensitive you are.
It's hard to backtrack that one. He knows there wasn't a better tool to prevent me transmitting the virus to someone else should I get infected without knowing but needed to be around people. (There wasn't one) so he tried to pivot towards an argument no one was making.
Lol...keep trying to put words in my mouth. Do I need to keep repeating the same position?
ok, got it. My apologies as I was responding in the context of masks preventing hospitalizations and deaths, not general spread of the disease. Masks (as I had been agreeing, do prevent spread....as they would with any disease transmitted by particle droplets). They are not the most effective way to prevent hospitalization and death. Hope that clears things up.
its almost like if you can stop people from trasmitting the disease you can stop people from being hospitalized by it. hmm.
because of course its totally relevant to tie masks and hospitalization rate after somebody is already infected.
just like condoms are terrible at preventing birth once someone is already pregnant. worthless.
because of course its totally relevant to tie masks and hospitalization rate after somebody is already infected.
just like condoms are terrible at preventing birth once someone is already pregnant. worthless.
How are we a year in and you still think analogies to things that are not contagious are good points?
You have the right to smoke right?
do you have the right to smoke anywhere you want? of course not, because you don’t have the right to make me breath in your smoke.
That is the analogy.
You can choose to get Covid if you want... but...we will have certain precautions in place to prevent you from infecting others until that is no longer the significant risk that it is.
You have the right to smoke right?
do you have the right to smoke anywhere you want? of course not, because you don’t have the right to make me breath in your smoke.
That is the analogy.
You can choose to get Covid if you want... but...we will have certain precautions in place to prevent you from infecting others until that is no longer the significant risk that it is.
How are we a year in and you think you can change his mind? shu09 is on one end, Mr. Looney Hazmat on the other. Most are in between.
What this country has done since March 2020 with lockdowns, restrictions, school closures is the most disastrous domestic policy in the nation's history. Our so-called "leaders" have put millions of people in dire financial straits, bankrupted thousands of businesses and created this dystopian society where people are afraid to have normal social contact with each other. I've never seen anything like it. All in the name of a virus that most people survive.
Brit Hume explains it somewhat here: https://www.foxnews.com/media/brit-hume-lockdowns-school-closings-worst-public-policy-decisions
Since March of 2020 we have thrown ALL other considerations out the window to focus on one thing. It is absolute madness and it must come to an end. Enough.
Brit Hume explains it somewhat here: https://www.foxnews.com/media/brit-hume-lockdowns-school-closings-worst-public-policy-decisions
Since March of 2020 we have thrown ALL other considerations out the window to focus on one thing. It is absolute madness and it must come to an end. Enough.
The Virus did that.
There is no version of a highly contagious virus which kills hundreds of thousands of people (would likely have been more without the mitigation efforts) doesn't put people in dire financial straits and bankrupt business.
You're comparing a decision which had bad results to something you think would have had better results... but your assumption there is most likely just not correct.
You say that like you have lived through a pandemic like this one. You haven't. None of us have.
