Wow - Flu stat
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theres nothing to buy. we are right. ex:
masks can be 100% more effective than no mask for flu. flu can be 2x less contagious than covid.
masks can be 30% more effective than no mask for covid. covid is 2x less contagous than flu.
unless there is a 100% preventative measure against covid, a highly contagious virus will spike no matter what. but how much it spikes is dependent on what you can control.
if you can limit 30% of it by wearing masks, you do it. what does flu have to do with it? its not a zero sum game. its not mutually exlcusive. i have no idea why youre acting as such.
thats why i said EXAMPLE. merge already gave you this data. but here is like 1000 studies that convincingly prove youre wrong.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19
The science around the use of masks by the public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: population impact, transmission...
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.
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(PDF) Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020).
PDF | Background. Wide variation between countries has been noted in per-capita mortality from the disease (COVID-19) caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
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not only does it have medical benefit, mask mandates could add $1 trillion to the US GDP! wow masks are great!!
you have to have your head up your ass to deny this.
You realize you are doing that though, right?
You are saying zero and throwing out misguided data to prove your misguided point?
Impact of the timing and adherence to face mask use on the course of the COVID-19 epidemic in France
Global spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has created an unprecedented infectious disease crisis worldwide.1 To date, non-pharmaceutical interve
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thats why i said EXAMPLE. merge already gave you this data. but here is like 1000 studies that convincingly prove youre wrong.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.www.cdc.gov
An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19
The science around the use of masks by the public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. In this narrative review, we develop an analytical framework to examine mask usage, synthesizing the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: population impact, transmission...www.pnas.org
Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine
A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.
again, just because cases spike while wearing masks it doesnt mean the masks are useless. you are throwing it all out because its not 100% effective. believe one study showed masks block 96% of viral load. wow. lowers transmissions, deaths, everything.(PDF) Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks (Update June 15, 2020).
PDF | Background. Wide variation between countries has been noted in per-capita mortality from the disease (COVID-19) caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
not only does it have medical benefit, mask mandates could add $1 trillion to the US GDP! wow masks are great!!
you have to have your head up your ass to deny this.
Sorry, you can throw out all the studies and numbers you want but I go by what I see in the real world.
Lol that was not a run of the mill natural spike. That was extreme. But glad to see you acknowledge that diseases spike and fall naturally regardless of what we do.
There's actually reason to believe that increased masking increases transmission because it gives humans a false sense of security that they don't have to distance because they're wearing a mask. Distancing is the only somewhat effective measure when it comes to this.
You will ignore studies because you don't want to understand what they said.
Notice how people aren't shaking hands anymore and no one is getting the flu? I think that the primary driver of the flu was shaking hands.
^ That's essentially what you are doing. You are looking at one data point and making a very flawed conclusion.
Nobody is getting the flu because of the masks, not because of handshaking. I've shook plenty of hands since this all began.
Nope. I haven't seen anyone shake hands this year.
I trust my real world fake evidence instead of scientific studies which challenge my belief.
See how dumb that sounds?
Sure, if you use that example. But that's not what's happening. EVERYONE is wearing masks. The sample size is huge. One virus has gone away. One hasn't. What does that tell you?
virus transmission rates are going down.
tells me masks are reasonably effective at containing a highly contageous pandemic and completely effective against containing the common flu.
It tells me two things.
When people start to feel sick THIS YEAR, they are likely staying home. That is different from previous years.
Also, Covid is easier to transmit than the flu.
"Sufficient" is a different argument.
All I am saying is that it helped and was better than not wearing a mask. Every study so far has shown that is true.
The mask type and fit also make a difference.
because then they go from sufficient to very effective.
this is not rocket science. virus is transmitted through breathing/ breathing comes from the mouth/ cover the mouth.
cloth masks are half as effective as n95. so if you want complete strength, double it. wow.
I went for a COVID test today (after returning from Florida) and was surprised to see that there was no line at the drive-through...not one car at noon. except mine. I was speaking with the administrator (it's a large multi-hospital system in PA) and they said they had shut down all of their drive-through sites (dozens) and only have two operating now. Through noon they had seen a total of 25 people at this one site. She couldn't provide any specific reasons as to why; just some opinions, but it's dropped like a rock over the past month. Also noticed that the staff only wore a gloves, a disposable isolation gown and one mask. No double-masking, no shields, etc. Hospitals have visibly backed down on the amount of PPE required by their staff.
Just to confirm. You will never shake someone's hand for the rest of your life? If they stick their hand out, you will ol politely refuse?
i went to a cvs drive through and there was a lot of precautions. lady was fully geared up but we didnt even interract. it was self administered and i tossed it in a box. all she did was toss me the bad initially and then tell me directions on the phone.
Wrong again. Virus rates are coming down now because the epidemic is burning out and vaccines are coming into the population. Virus rates were rising rapidly throughout the fall while people were masking like crazy.
Hospitals are more wired into infection control protocols. If they are taking their foot of the gas on PPE and procedures, it's because they have data that supports it.
And staying in the context of this discussion.... Let me know when they stop wearing masks.
i was just giving my experience. interesring how you always seem to run into these healthcare administrators.
drive through testing sites are naturally more safe, never needed that much ppe/ when i got mine in the spring 2020 they were wearing one mask and gloves. however my covid ward nurse contact is still wearing normal ppe. so i wouldnt go as far as to say every hospital is rolling back the precautions.
and the fact theyre still wearing a mask sorta validates the entire idea that it works.
