Wow - Flu stat

[shu09]

thisnhas nothing to do with putting other people at risk. sigh.

This is about general health and wellness. Mask mandates and lockdowns hurt people. They don't help people.

If people are concerned about their own risk factors, they should take appropriate steps to protect themselves. What they should not do is demand others do these dystopian things.

A smoking ban would help people live healthier. An alcohol ban would help people healthier. That's the point this person is making.

 

[SHUSA]

This is about general health and wellness. Mask mandates and lockdowns hurt people. They don't help people.

If people are concerned about their own risk factors, they should take appropriate steps to protect themselves. What they should not do is demand others do these dystopian things.

A smoking ban would help people live healthier. An alcohol ban would help people healthier. That's the point this person is making.

i dont think you can group maks mandates and lockdowns. masks dont hurt people

 

[Merge]

Many people alive today have. HIV, Swine flu, Hong Kong flu and Asian flu.

If HIV was transmissible through air, we would have worn masks.

Swine flu cause 12k deaths.

You weren't alive for the others.. and they were different as their were flu variants and we were able to develop a vaccine very quickly for both. They were not novel viruses.

So yes... It absolutely makes sense that the response to something you have never seen before would also be something you have never seen before.

 

[Merge]

Politicians did it. They had a choice. They chose incorrectly and disastrously.

The alternatives were not better options. Likely worse.

 

[shu09]

The alternatives were not better options. Likely worse.

Not true.

 

[shu09]

If HIV was transmissible through air, we would have worn masks.

Swine flu cause 12k deaths.

You weren't alive for the others.. and they were different as their were flu variants and we were able to develop a vaccine very quickly for both. They were not novel viruses.

So yes... It absolutely makes sense that the response to something you have never seen before would also be something you have never seen before.

Interesting to see you don't care about the 12k swine flu deaths. That number isn't correct anyway.

And I said many people alive today were alive for the others. Not me.

 

[Merge]

Interesting to see you don't care about the 12k swine flu deaths. That number isn't correct anyway.

No. I just understand that magnitude of difference between 12k and 500k and the far greater potential that Covid had.

Comparing Covid to Swine flu is kind of like asking if we should take the same precautions for a heavy rain storm and a hurricane.

Of course your response would be different.

 

[Merge]

Not true.

I am not sure what you think the country would have looked like, but it would really not have been that much different in regard to the economic pains.

Not likely people will just sit back and watch hundreds of thousands people dying of a contagious virus and think "lets go to dinner and a show". Companies aren't going to have their employees coming to the office.

Economy still gets crushed, only main difference is more people would be dead.

 

[shu09]

Didn't need government lockdowns, that's for sure. When do you think the government will give up its newfound power to close a business at a moment's notice? Answer: Never.

Didn't need the face diapers, they're useless for covid. Or as one guy put it to me in Shop Rite last summer, the "marxist muzzle." I got a kick out of that. Very effective for flu though.

 

[Merge]

Didn't need government lockdowns, that's for sure. When do you think the government will give up its newfound power to close a business at a moment's notice? Answer: Never.

What do you mean give up the power? They have always had that power. They aren't going to give it up because it may be necessary in the future.

Didn't need the face diapers, they're useless for covid.

That's just not true. Studies have shown it over and over again that they help.

 

[shufan1993]

What do you mean give up the power? They have always had that power. They aren't going to give it up because it may be necessary in the future.



That's just not true. Studies have shown it over and over again that they help.

You are ok with government enforcing mandatory mask wearing after the pandemic? Got it.

 

[Merge]

You are ok with government enforcing mandatory mask wearing after the pandemic? Got it.

Lol, no.

I am pro the government responding to the situation in front of them.

When there is a global pandemic for a virus which is transmissible through the air and we don't have a vaccine - then a mask mandate makes sense.

When there is no longer a risk from that pandemic, there is no need for masks. Same as I have always said.

 

[shufan1993]

Lol, no.

I am pro the government responding to the situation in front of them.

When there is a global pandemic for a virus which is transmissible through the air and we don't have a vaccine - then a mask mandate makes sense.

When there is no longer a risk from that pandemic, there is no need for masks. Same as I have always said.

Ok. How about mask mandate for future flu seasons?

 

[Merge]

Ok. How about mask mandate for future flu seasons?

Nope. We have effective detection / treatments and vaccines for the flu.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

I dont get the argument that mask mandates hurt people. It's a global pandemic, put on a mask so we can get back to normal quicker.

 

[SHUSA]

I dont get the argument that mask mandates hurt people. It's a global pandemic, put on a mask so we can get back to normal quicker.

and youre only wearing it for commercial indoor spaces. unless you work at those spaces its probably 10% of your day

 

[shu09]

I dont get the argument that mask mandates hurt people. It's a global pandemic, put on a mask so we can get back to normal quicker.

Your transformation on this is incredible. Like a different person.

Everyone has been wearing a mask for a year. Not back to normal, are we? Ask yourself why that is.

The former CDC director told Congress last July that we could get it under control in 1-2 months with universal masking. WRONG. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc...e-to-two-months-if-everyone-wears-a-mask.html

We now have almost a year of real world data. People wear masks, the virus still does what it wants. It ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys.

Masks are nothing but a tool to virtue signal and shame. They do nothing to prevent outbreaks of this particular virus. They DO help with the flu, just look at the numbers.

 

[Merge]

Everyone has been wearing a mask for a year. Not back to normal, are we? Ask yourself why that is.

People wear sunscreen but still get skin cancer. Ask yourself why that is.

Sunscreen does not eliminate risk.
Masks do not eliminate risk. They reduce the risk.

EVERY study says that is true. Masks are a filter that help reduce the amount of the virus you would spread to those around you if you are sick. Reduce... not eliminate...

The type of mask, how it fits, etc all matter.
An N95 mask is better than a surgical mask which is better than a cloth mask. Most people are wearing cloth masks or surgical masks that don't fit well. That is why the virus is still here.

If we were all willing to wear a properly fitting N95, we would have shut the transmission down.

 

[Merge]

It's like you're on a boat and you hit a rock and water starts gushing in. You plug the hole and the water becomes a manageable trickle and you're there saying the plug doesn't work because water is still getting in the boat.

The plug isn't perfect. It is a patch until you get the boat repaired.

Masks are not perfect. They are a patch until we have the vaccine distributed.

 

[shu09]

If they reduced transmission, why did cases surge in the places that imposed mask mandates?

Sorry your theory doesn't add up.

 

[shufan1993]

It's like you're on a boat and you hit a rock and water starts gushing in. You plug the hole and the water becomes a manageable trickle and you're there saying the plug doesn't work because water is still getting in the boat.

The plug isn't perfect. It is a patch until you get the boat repaired.

Masks are not perfect. They are a patch until we have the vaccine distributed.

Correct. This is why the CDC is recommending double masking now.

 

[Merge]

If they reduced transmission, why did cases surge in the places that imposed mask mandates?

Sorry your theory doesn't add up.

It's not my theory. It has been proven in study after study, but you continue to stare at the water trickle convinced the plug doesn't work.

Masks work.

The areas that had higher adherence to mask wearing generally did better after that initial surge.

 

[shu09]

It's not my theory. It has been proven in study after study, but you continue to stare at the water trickle convinced the plug doesn't work.

Masks work.

The areas that had higher adherence to mask wearing generally did better after that initial surge.

California had the highest mask compliance and did terribly.

 

[Merge]

and states with the worst mask compliance did terribly. It varies from neighborhood to neighborhood, town to town etc... also impacted by how densely populated areas are, and other human behavior.

COVIDcast Timelapse

COVIDcast tracks and forecasts the spread of COVID-19. By Carnegie Mellon's Delphi Research Group.

delphi.cmu.edu

Take a look at that. Look at the areas in California that have less mask adherence and then which parts saw the spike in cases.

Watch the rest of the country where there is the least amount of mask adherence. It is not a coincidence that those are the areas that saw bigger spikes in the fall.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Your transformation on this is incredible. Like a different person.

Everyone has been wearing a mask for a year. Not back to normal, are we? Ask yourself why that is.

The former CDC director told Congress last July that we could get it under control in 1-2 months with universal masking. WRONG. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/14/cdc...e-to-two-months-if-everyone-wears-a-mask.html

We now have almost a year of real world data. People wear masks, the virus still does what it wants. It ebbs and flows, peaks and valleys.

Masks are nothing but a tool to virtue signal and shame. They do nothing to prevent outbreaks of this particular virus. They DO help with the flu, just look at the numbers.

Yeah, I want life back to normal, wearing masks can help. It doesn't bother me to put a mask on to go into a grocery store for 30 minutes.

I also voted for Trump. I would never vote for him again after his behavior after Nov 3, people can change their opinions based on new data.

 

[shu09]

Yeah, I want life back to normal, wearing masks can help. It doesn't bother me to put a mask on to go into a grocery store for 30 minutes.

I also voted for Trump. I would never vote for him again after his behavior after Nov 3, people can change their opinions based on new data.

It doesn't bother me either. It's the principle of it.

Why has the flu basically been beaten down to nothing this year? It's because of the masks. Flu is a droplet virus. Masks help prevent transmission of droplet viruses.

Why did covid not go away during the same time period? Because it's airborne (I admit I was wrong about not thinking that last spring/summer). Masks don't do anything to prevent transmission of airborne viruses. The data is crystal clear. This nonsense of masks, sanitizing surfaces, plexiglass barriers, face shields do nothing. We are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[SHUSA]

If they reduced transmission, why did cases surge in the places that imposed mask mandates?

Sorry your theory doesn't add up.

maybe they would have surged even more? this is dumb logic lol.

 

[SHUSA]

It doesn't bother me either. It's the principle of it.

Why has the flu basically been beaten down to nothing this year? It's because of the masks. Flu is a droplet virus. Masks help prevent transmission of droplet viruses.

Why did covid not go away during the same time period? Because it's airborne (I admit I was wrong about not thinking that last spring/summer). Masks don't do anything to prevent transmission of airborne viruses. The data is crystal clear. This nonsense of masks, sanitizing surfaces, plexiglass barriers, face shields do nothing. We are barking up the wrong tree.

masks literally prevent air from moving
longer distances from your mouth. science confirms it, but you can actually test it yourself if you dont believe it

 

[Merge]

haha, what a dope. He actually thinks it's airborne? It's spread by droplet

Ignored the science that was saying this was airborne months ago as well... maybe you’ll eventually come around to the fact that masks helped reduce the spread eventually as well.

 

[Merge]

maybe they would have surged even more? this is dumb logic lol.

that’s why I don’t wear coats. I put one on but I still get cold. Bunch of sheep out here thinking that coats prevent us from getting cold.

 

[shufan1993]

Ignored the science that was saying this was airborne months ago as well... maybe you’ll eventually come around to the fact that masks helped reduce the spread eventually as well.

You are ignoring the science now on the third wave

 

[shu09]

The groupthink on here is astounding. Bunch of fools.

 

[shu09]

Ignored the science that was saying this was airborne months ago as well... maybe you’ll eventually come around to the fact that masks helped reduce the spread eventually as well.

Read the post. I said I was wrong about that. You people really are that incompetent I guess.

 

[shu09]

maybe they would have surged even more? this is dumb logic lol.

Thinking they'd have "surged even more" is dumb logic. They don't work. Period.

They DO work for the flu. All the data is right here this flu season. Covid kept going, flu became nothing. All you need to know.

 

[shu09]

Yeah, I want life back to normal, wearing masks can help. It doesn't bother me to put a mask on to go into a grocery store for 30 minutes.

I also voted for Trump. I would never vote for him again after his behavior after Nov 3, people can change their opinions based on new data.

All the data is out there for anyone to see. Why has the flu plummeted to basically nothing? Because of masks. Masks WORK for flu. They DON'T work for covid.

 

[SHUSA]

Thinking they'd have "surged even more" is dumb logic. They don't work. Period.

They DO work for the flu. All the data is right here this flu season. Covid kept going, flu became nothing. All you need to know.

that makes absolutely no sense again. thats like saying a colander doesnt strain at all because a cheesecloth stops everything.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

 

[shu09]

that makes absolutely no sense again. thats like saying a colander doesnt strain at all because a cheesecloth stops everything.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Why does it make no sense, smart one?

 

[Merge]

Thinking they'd have "surged even more" is dumb logic. They don't work. Period.

They DO work for the flu. All the data is right here this flu season. Covid kept going, flu became nothing. All you need to know.

That's not how this works.

First. They are different viruses. Coronavirus travels differently and is more contagious.

Second. The onset of symptoms for the flu is fairly quick and you become contagious at the around the time you get symptoms. You know who is walking around with flu like symptoms this year? Basically no one... Covid on the other hand has a longer incubation period, and you are most contagious BEFORE the onset of symptoms.

You're making the giant leap in your assumption that it is because of masks only.

Third. You have to understand the impact of everything that has changed against the transmission rates of these viruses.

Assume flu for example has an r0 of X with an unvaccinated population. 50% vaccinated brings that down. Masks bring that down and self quarantining at the onset of symptoms brings that down to almost nothing.

Now assume Covid is X+1 since the particles are smaller and it is easier to catch. NO vaccinated population keeps it there. Distance and masks help but self quarantining at the onset of symptoms is significantly less effective because symptoms show up after you are contagious.

Your logic is just flawed because you are looking at one factor and drawing a conclusion while ignoring all of the other relevant information.

 

[shufan1993]

That's not how this works.

First. They are different viruses. Coronavirus travels differently and is more contagious.

Second. The onset of symptoms for the flu is fairly quick and you become contagious at the around the time you get symptoms. You know who is walking around with flu like symptoms this year? Basically no one... Covid on the other hand has a longer incubation period, and you are most contagious BEFORE the onset of symptoms.

You're making the giant leap in your assumption that it is because of masks only.

Third. You have to understand the impact of everything that has changed against the transmission rates of these viruses.

Assume flu for example has an r0 of X with an unvaccinated population. 50% vaccinated brings that down. Masks bring that down and self quarantining at the onset of symptoms brings that down to almost nothing.

Now assume Covid is X+1 since the particles are smaller and it is easier to catch. NO vaccinated population keeps it there. Distance and masks help but self quarantining at the onset of symptoms is significantly less effective because symptoms show up after you are contagious.

Your logic is just flawed because you are looking at one factor and drawing a conclusion while ignoring all of the other relevant information.

Hello. Based on the news that continues to come out about the NYC variant Do you still think we will be be maskless by labor day? Yankee stadium will be having sell outs (45,000+) with maskless fans on labor day? Restaurants will be 100% capacity with maskless patrons?

Schools will be maskless by September?

Newly discovered N.Y. coronavirus variant likely already in N.J., experts say

A new and dangerous coronavirus strain has emerged in New York. It's likely already in New Jersey.

www.nj.com

 

[SHUSA]

Why does it make no sense, smart one?

i just told you why. just like merge told you why. absurd logic