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Fishjam said:
It's a stat that measures how well the team defense performs when a player is on the court vs when he is on the bench. It can be skewed by player groupings and has pros and cons like most statistical categories.

This says the Pirate defense is 5.9 points better (per 100 posessions) when DAW is on the floor.. Right behind him is Garwey at 5.6. Then you have Coleman at 4.5, Scotty 3.5, Chaunce 3.4, Toumi 2.7 & Tubek 2.7.

When you add in Offensive Box Plus/Minus to the defense, here are our NET leaders.

Chaunce +7.9
Tubek +7.8
DAW +3.8
Coleman +3.7
Felton +2.2
Toumi +1.3
Garway +0.4

Scotty -1.4
Godswill -2.4
Okorafor -2.9
Gus Bus -4.8
Aligbe -7.6

Kind of matches the eye test. One thing it spells in all CAPs is our bigs are terrible and that the player who is struggling the most is Aligbe. This stat would indicate we should be exploring Tubek more and Aligbe less and that Felton deserves a longer opportunity.
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Far too many unknown variables for it to be taken seriously. Did the other team have their starters on the floor at the same time? What was the score? Time left in half? Did the person in question guard a good player or was somebody else responsible?

It’s clearly a team stat but is somehow given to an individual. Makes no sense.
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PROF Ed said:
What would have been an analysis last year after we lost to Rutgers at home and were 6-4? Way to early to make a judgement as to who is a BE player. Looking at last year’s roster this early, maybe three of our players would have been considered BE players. How did last year work out? Trying to be realistic and optimistic at the same time.
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That was acknowledged by SPK's original post. We're going to need improvement and combinations.

We're already seeing Sha come out of the 10-player dream by sticking with Coleman and Jenkins. That shouldn't change barring foul trouble, they are clearly our best players. I think this team desperately needs the following to have the type of improvement we'll need to be relevant by February from everywhere else.

1. Obviously PG.
2. Can our 3 centers combine to hold down that position so we don't have to use someone else there.
3. Aligbe is not THIS bad offensively from 2PT range. He and Toumi are complementary players at the 4. Neither are great, but need to be BE average.

That is a lot of improvement. More than just Dawes finding his way and the defense settling in.
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Trump Laying Down The Law On Border

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HALL85 said:
If they have been sent a notice, wouldn’t it make sense that we don’t know where they are?
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90% have not received a notice. Of the 10% who have but failed to show up, did they miss a court date or are they actually missing?

Again, not saying there is zero risk here… but we have no idea why they missed a court date and suggesting that the 300k, are missing as in could have been trafficked is very misleading

HALL85 said:
I’m a little suspicious about the sponsors and the degree of a background check and how accurate it is.
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That’s fine, but what is your suspicion based on?

HALL85 said:
What about the kids that were smuggled across and never even went through the system?
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Not sure what you’re asking.
Yes, if and when that happens it’s horrible. We should do what we can to limit the opportunity to smuggle anyone in.

HALL85 said:
There is an incentive with an open border to traffic children, women and drugs. If you reduce or eliminate the opportunity the cartels will have to curtail their efforts.
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Curtail their efforts? Naive to think of a cartel is making money trafficking people that they would stop because it’s harder. It’s more difficult to smuggle someone in today vs 20-30 years ago. They didn’t curtail their efforts because the incentive to make money is still there. Have to go after the cartels directly to make progress there.
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What would have been an analysis last year after we lost to Rutgers at home and were 6-4? Way to early to make a judgement as to who is a BE player. Looking at last year’s roster this early, maybe three of our players would have been considered BE players. How did last year work out? Trying to be realistic and optimistic at the same time.
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HallGuy23 said:
I Would love to know how that is formulated. As with all these analytic “stats” it brings me great skepticism
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It's a stat that measures how well the team defense performs when a player is on the court vs when he is on the bench. It can be skewed by player groupings and has pros and cons like most statistical categories.

This says the Pirate defense is 5.9 points better (per 100 posessions) when DAW is on the floor.. Right behind him is Garwey at 5.6. Then you have Coleman at 4.5, Scotty 3.5, Chaunce 3.4, Toumi 2.7 & Tubek 2.7.

When you add in Offensive Box Plus/Minus to the defense, here are our NET leaders.

Chaunce +7.9
Tubek +7.8
DAW +3.8
Coleman +3.7
Felton +2.2
Toumi +1.3
Garway +0.4

Scotty -1.4
Godswill -2.4
Okorafor -2.9
Gus Bus -4.8
Aligbe -7.6

Kind of matches the eye test. One thing it spells in all CAPs is our bigs are terrible and that the player who is struggling the most is Aligbe. This stat would indicate we should be exploring Tubek more and Aligbe less and that Felton deserves a longer opportunity.
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The Roster

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SPK145 said:
Seems I, as well as others, seriously overrated the talent on this team.

I was thinking, who is really Big East quality on this roster as of today? It can, and hopefully will, change over time as it's not good.

Big East Starter (would play 25 mins + on a decent Big East team)
Chaunce Jenkins
Isaiah Coleman

Big East Quality Depth (would play 10-15 mins on a decent Big East team)
Addae-Wusu
Middleton

Not Big East Quality At This Time (would not play 10-15 mins on a decent Big East team)
Toumi
Felton (getting there though)
Aligbe
Yalden
Tubek
Okorafor
Erheriene
Dual
Harmon

Thoughts?
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I think Okorafor and Dual should be on big east quality depth level solely based on the elite defense they can bring. Okorafor and Dual, without their medical issues (and Dual playing less point🙄, could have had very different seasons up to this point right now.

Same argument for Toumi moving up to big east depth level… bc of his offensive production per the minutes he plays esp when not at center.

Middelton is not even a quality big east reserve yet. He has one decent game so far. Way too turnover prone and he hesitates way too much on taking open 3s. Like him as a 3 and D guy who is a spot shooter. It scares me when he dribbles.

Before the season started, I still remember posters putting Coleman at 3, Middleton at the 2 with Dual at point. I was thinking Coleman was the best dribbler of the lot and everything I saw from Middelton was a spot shooter from Ohio State.
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Return To The Rock: Pirates Host Monmouth On Saturday

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Return To The Rock: Pirates Host Monmouth On Saturday - Seton Hall University Athletics

The Seton Hall men's basketball team returns to Prudential Center for its first game in Newark in nearly a month when the Pirates host Monmouth at 12 p.m. on...
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SETON HALL PIRATES (4-3) vs. MONMOUTH HAWKS (0-8)

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GAME INFORMATION
Date/Time: Saturday, Nov. 30 • 12 p.m. Eastern
Site: Newark, N.J. • Prudential Center (10,481)
TV: FS2 • John Fanta & Tarik Turner
Online: FOX Sports App
Radio: SHU Pirates Mobile App • Gary Cohen & Dave Popkin
SHUPirates.com • Varsity Network App
Satellite: SXM App 966
Seton Hall All-Time vs. Monmouth: 15-0

NOTES YOU NEED TO KNOW

  • The Seton Hall men's basketball team returns to Prudential Center for its first game in Newark in nearly a month when the Pirates host Monmouth at 12 p.m. on Saturday.
  • The Pirates are coming off of a third-place finish at the Charleston Classic where they went 2-1 with top-100 KenPom wins over VCU (40) and Florida Atlantic (96).
  • Isaiah Coleman was named to the Charleston Classic All-Tournament Team and the BIG EAST Weekly Honor Roll after averaging 13.3 points and 7.0 rebounds per game in three games.
  • Coleman posted his first career double-double with 12 points and 10 rebounds against VCU and had a career-high 20 points against Vanderbilt.
  • The Pirates boast one of the top defenses in Div. I, ranking seventh in KenPom defensive efficiency, fourth in scoring defense (55.7 ppg), 20th in field goal percentage defense (36.7 pct) and 23rd in three-point FG defense (26.3 pct).
  • Despite its offensive struggles to start the season, the Pirates have shot the ball well from three-point range where they rank 19th in Div. I shooting at a 39.8 percent clip (47-of-118).
  • In three games at the Charleston Classic as a team, the Pirates shot 43 percent from deep (24-of-55) and held opponents to 25 percent (23-of-92) from beyond the arc.
  • Seton Hall is one of five teams in Div. I, along with Houston, Cincinnati, Clemson and Ohio State, to be ranked in the top 20 in both KenPom defensive efficiency and three-point FG percentage.
  • Seton Hall is 15-0 all-time against Monmouth in a series that dates back to 1983.
  • The Hall's first game at Prudential Center was against the Hawks on Nov. 11, 2007, an 89-81 overtime victory for the Pirates.
  • Holloway is 8-3 all-time against Monmouth and its head coach King Rice, including a 6-3 mark when Holloway was the head coach at Saint Peter's.
  • Holloway is 18-10 all-time against New Jersey schools as a head coach and is 1-0 this season.
  • Seton Hall's third-place finish at the Charleston Classic was the Pirates' best finish at an MTE since winning the 2018-19 Wooden Legacy.
  • In the overtime victory over VCU on Nov. 21, Chaunce Jenkins scored all of his game-high 22 points against the Rams after halftime.
  • The Pirates are 4-1 on the season when Jenkins is their leading scorer.
  • The Pirates were 9-4 in games decided by 10 points or less last season and are 3-2 in those contests this season.
  • The Pirates had a historic defensive performance against Wagner where they held the Seahawks to just 24 percent shooting from the floor and 28 points, its fewest points allowed since 1947 when they defeated Panzer College, 51-28, on Jan. 30.
  • Head coach Shaheen Holloway's last three teams have finished in the top 33 nationally in KenPom's defensive efficiency rating:
2023-24 (Seton Hall): KenPom No. 33
2022-23 (Seton Hall): KenPom No. 20
2021-22 (Saint Peter's): KenPom No. 25

  • With the Pirates entering Sunday's game at 4-3, Holloway has stated that his team's get better as the season goes along and the numbers back that up:


Holloway Record By Month, Last 4 Full Seasons (excluding 2020-21)
November: 11-11
December: 11-13
January: 22-11
February: 19-12
March: 18-4
Nov.-Dec.: 22-24 (.478) Jan.-March: 59-27 (.686)

  • Among active players in Div. I, Dylan Addae-Wusu ranks 26th in games played (135), 16th in steals (189) and 44th in assists (373).
  • Addae-Wusu and Creighton's Ryan Kalkbrenner share the lead among active players with 78 career BIG EAST games played.
  • Similar to last season where the Pirates were picked to finish ninth in the BIG EAST preseason coaches poll but went on to finish fourth, Seton Hall was picked to finish 10th in the 11-team BIG EAST in this year's poll.
  • The Pirates last season were the first BIG EAST team to ever finish at least five games over .500 in conference play and not make the NCAA Tournament.
  • Holloway's teams have finished below .500 in conference play just once in six seasons when his first Saint Peter's team went 6-12.
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Trump Laying Down The Law On Border

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hinson32 said:
So what you are saying is that Obama was five times tougher on illegals than Trump? Trump better get a backbone.
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This is silly. First Trump was in office for 4 years and and Obama was in for 8 so that would make it 2.5 times. But common sense would say the toughest guy deports none because the border is so secure they can’t get in. You have to factor in the number of illegals here vs number deported if you want to be fair. If you don’t want to be fair then you can pick and choose the numbers you want and run with them.
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