25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine
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As I explained before, no one is arguing that there weren’t enough masks for healthcare workers. They were changing them more often and people in a hospital who normally did not wear masks, were. That still has absolutely nothing to do with the public’s inability to access N95’s from the healthcare supply chain, and allocation from manufacturers which makes up 99.9% of the inventory….#mergeslackofreadingcomprehesion
If the public went out and purchased all of the available N95 masks in March, would healthcare workers have had access to the same amount of masks, or less? You’re just twisting your own argument to fit a narrow scope.
Healthcare workers needed masks, including those outside their supply chain.
Public had no access to the healthcare supply. No one is confusing that. Healthcare workers had access but needed more than that supply. That’s the part you’re ignoring.
But the additional inventory was immaterial. Any Auditor knows what that term means. And the supply chain is not set up for a Home Depot to send inventory to Medline. The tiny amount that was left out of that would have to be donated, and that wasn’t done universally. You are literally shoveling sand with a wheelbarrow to prevent beach erosion….
The argument by Fauci was flat out wrong. Just admit it.
I give a flying shit about this supply and demand crap, no offense
the guy and others are still saying children including 3, 4 year olds need to wear masks
what’s your spin book keeper?
What’s the point? It was a false message. Just because Pence repeated it doesn’t make it right. Nothing more than a feel good message that had no material effect.
Wrong.
For example...
Home Depot donates masks to St. Joseph Hospital in Nashua
Thursday morning, St. Joseph Hospital received a call from Sandra Arnold, at the Home Depot in Merrimack, with an offer os 25 cases of 3M and Milwaukee-brand respirator masks. “They had previously made a donation to Catholic Medical Center,” said St. Joe’s Director of Marketing Timothy McMahon...
The donation was very material to that hospital.
In my opinion, we should err on the side of caution to end the pandemic. I believe we are now done with that now and don’t need masks anymore for anyone.
It was a nice gesture and a good thing to do....period. Not the reason to tell people NOT TO USE any face coverings including masks, and then tell them it’s the most important thing they can do.Wrong.
For example...
Home Depot donates masks to St. Joseph Hospital in Nashua
Thursday morning, St. Joseph Hospital received a call from Sandra Arnold, at the Home Depot in Merrimack, with an offer os 25 cases of 3M and Milwaukee-brand respirator masks. “They had previously made a donation to Catholic Medical Center,” said St. Joe’s Director of Marketing Timothy McMahon...www.nashuatelegraph.com
The donation was very material to that hospital.
Well, protocol for doctors and nurses prior to CoVid was to change masks every time you see another patient. Due to CoVid, that protocol had to change very quickly to the point they were wearing masks for weeks.
You made it seem that the medical supply chain is essentially 3M and its distributors. However, according to this article, (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/magazine/n95-masks-market-covid.html) hospitals quickly turned to other non-traditional suppliers, i.e. China for masks. So, due to 3M not being able to supply the demand, there was demand from other suppliers in which the public could certainly get their hands on and go to the black market. While you may be correct that 3M distributors were locked in for the most part for masks going to hospitals. But that supply was not nearly enough. Another source was China and other suppliers to provide masks to hospitals.
I only used 3M as an example. They are actually the second largest N95 mask supplier (Prestige Ameritech is the largest). The point being that the healthcare supply chain is a closed system (manufacturing and distribution) that the public cannot and could not access access and that supplied the vast majority of N95’s. And demand outstripped supply until the manufacturers could catch up.
I get what you are saying, but because demand outstripped the closed system supply chain, hospitals went to outside sources during the first few months of the pandemic. Those outside suppliers were not part of the closed system and therefore subject to getting diverted from the healthcare system, into the public and blackmarket. Is that not accurate?
No because those suppliers (which only provided a small fraction of units) also directed them to hospitals and/hospital distributors). The few masks that were available to the public were substandard (downright dangerous for a hospital worker to use) or from suppliers that were trying to take advantage of the public (even fewer). I know of hospitals that were rejecting masks because they were substandard.
What you are saying is not mutually exclusive to the fact that there were suppliers of quality masks that were also supplying both hospital and non-hospital companies. As per your own statement, if a supplier is not part of the closed system then it is free to contract with other non-hospital companies. Perhaps public is the word that is causing the issue. Not saying that I can buy it on Amazon but companies that can buy containers of supplies to overcharge on the black market. I am pretty sure this was being done.
Moreover, these suppliers were supplying a much bigger proportion of masks during the early months of the pandemic. Look at that snapshot in time. Not overall when the domestic suppliers began to amp up production in June.
One thing I Know is that if there is a way to make a buck off a crisis, people are going to figure that out.
Check out this article. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-paydays-in-a-frenzied-market-idUSKBN21I32EThis is a quote in that article.
One mainstream distributor said that legitimate 3M products also are being diverted out of normal channels by manufacturers or others who want to profit from runaway prices. “The question is, how did the stuff get diverted in the first place?” said Michael Einhorn, president of Dealmed, a supply company in Brooklyn, New York. “There’s something fundamentally wrong with the supply chain.”
This is contradicting you.
But you are arguing two different things. Government could have diverted all N95 masks to hospitals like happened anyway and also told people to wear face coverings. Just because government didn’t tell people to wear masks, didn’t stop people from buying masks if were available in retail settings.
If you read the article it supports what I said. These brokers were selling substandard masks and even the ones that claimed to be able to get 3M masks couldn’t find the product. The masks from 3M, Ameritech and others are sold globally, and some of that inventory could have re-entered the US market through third party brokers, but we are talking very small numbers. And if they did, they were selling them to hospitals first because they knew they would get a premium. The general public was also pretty much shut out of buy these also.
Do you think it’s possible that the coronavirus task force made an assessment early on that the supply chain for N95 masks was not sufficient and healthcare workers would not have enough? That they were going to need to get creative and find ways to get masks to the workers that literally had none?
Right, because it is two different discussions.
We had a different understanding of how transmission occurred back then. That’s why he didn’t recommend masks in the first place.
So 85 is saying he was wrong by not just saying people should wear masks anyway... I think there are a few reasons why he didn’t suggest that.
@Merge I have been warning this group the Delta variant of was something to watch. And now experts in NJ are very worried. The Delta variant is now in NJ and as one doctor quoted in here says it has the potential to mutate more and "breakthrough" vaccines. You said we will be seeing better days. Now NJ experts are worried about a summer surge.
Will anyone listen to Dr Tony Facui/experts this time? He is warning the dangers of the Delta variant since new vaccination rates in the us are going down. There could be a summer surge!
www.cnn.com
States begin scaling back daily Covid-19 data reporting as federal officials try to vaccinate more Americans | CNN
About two dozen states have decided to scale back their daily tracking of Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths as President Joe Biden's administration and other federal officials continue trying to get more Americans -- and the rest of the world -- vaccinated.
The news about the Delta variant is picking up steam. Could cause another endemic in this country.
www.cnn.com
The Covid-19 Delta variant poses a threat to our return to 'normal' | CNN
As the US seeks normalcy after more than a year of a gruesome fight against Covid-19 that hasn't ended, physician David Holtgrave writes that the highly transmissible Delta variant that has taken over India cannot be ignored.
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New PREDICTION BY EXPERTS: Variants to cause slow down and/or reversal of US reopening in next couple months. The bet isn't over yet @Merge ! We agreed what the country will look like on Labor Day. Masks mandates could be back. I did warn this board if we do not vaccinate world, this pandemic will drag on for years. @Merge told me this is over in the US. its far from over.
www.cnn.com
CDC says fully vaccinated people don't have to wear masks in open-air areas of public transit or at outdoor sections of hubs | CNN
Fully vaccinated people who travel by public transportation no longer need to wear masks in places like outdoor waiting areas or open-air seating, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Thursday.
Thank you for the question. I will get the vaccine when the vaccine is fully approved from the FDA. Have a great day!
Also just because you think the pandemic is over, it does not mean you are right.
From The Weather Channel Android App: https://weather.com/health/coronavi...riant-may-be-more-dangerous?pl=pl-coronavirus
Interesting article I'll just drop here. Because of covid and the variants, indoor concerts might not ever be safe again.
www.cnn.com
Can indoor concerts ever be safe again? | CNN
There's a growing body of scientific literature that shows that with the right Covid-19 mitigation measures, large, indoor concerts could be held safely. But some scientists -- including those leading the studies --- have reservations on how broadly these findings may be applied.
Majority of New Jerseyans say they won't be getting rid of their masks anytime soon. Many say they will keep wearing them for years.
www.nj.com
The pandemic might be waning. But these N.J. residents aren’t taking off their masks.
The virus is on the run. Restrictions have been lifted. But many, still wary, have decided to keep their faces covered.
@Merge As I have continued to warn, this pandemic is far from over. Now experts say it's not "If" but "When" dangerous variants ravage the pandemic progress made in the US. Most experts agree it will be by the late summer or early fall.
www.cnn.com
Dangerous Covid variants could set back national progress against the pandemic, officials warn | CNN
With declining rates of Covid-19 infections and deaths across the US, more cities and states have lifted safety restrictions in anticipation of a better summer.
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