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25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

@Merge The WHO is now recommending mask for vaccinated because of the Delta variant. The CDC is now reviewing the guidance. Masks could be requirement again soon. September is still a couple months away. The bet is still on.

This was the shortest retirement of all time
 
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Just coming out of retirement for this one. Its funny because posters such as @Merge think the pandemic is over in the United States. It is not. Fauci said yesterday we are still in the 6th inning and with the Delta variant our progress could be pushed back. By next month we will be wearing masks again.

 
@Merge You listened to Dr. Fauci for 15 months. Will you listen to him now when he says this is our biggest threat yet to our progress? Fauci is concerned because the Delta variant can mutate more into a more lethal variant that the vaccines aren't effective to. But I'm sure you will keep on thinking the pandemic is over in the United States. I will rightly shelter in place thought the Delta variant pandemic.

 
Just coming out of retirement for this one. Its funny because posters such as @Merge think the pandemic is over in the United States. It is not. Fauci said yesterday we are still in the 6th inning and with the Delta variant our progress could be pushed back. By next month we will be wearing masks again.


As I said, the pandemic is not over but the need for restrictions is.

the restrictions we’re to buy time for science to catch up, and we now have a vaccine readily available to anyone over 12 who wants it.

The WHO recommendations make sense for countries which haven’t had the ability to vaccinate their populations like we have. It doesn’t make sense for us.
 
As I said, the pandemic is not over but the need for restrictions is.

the restrictions we’re to buy time for science to catch up, and we now have a vaccine readily available to anyone over 12 who wants it.

The WHO recommendations make sense for countries which haven’t had the ability to vaccinate their populations like we have. It doesn’t make sense for us.

You're lying. You said the pandemic was over:

"Its over. Time to get a new schtick"
 
@Merge I hate to break it to you but our bet is labor day for mask requirements everywhere, correct? We used Israel a couple months back as an indicator to how the United States would progress. Have you been following Israel the last few days? Half of Israeli's who have come down with the Delta Variant were fully vaccinated. Israel has now reinstated its indoor mask mandate. I predict New Jerseys mask mandate to be back around mid to late August. You could possibly lose the bet by labor day. The Israeli government also will reinstate some restrictions again based on the spread of the Delta variant

I know our governor has said masks won't be required in schools in fall but I take that with a grain of salt. I don't trust what a politician says in June. He will probably fall victim to the teachers unions pleas and masks will be back in schools as well.

It appears the virus doesn't care if people are vaccinated or not. The virus will virus and the governments will reinstate restrictions. Especially in the trip state area

 
Shufan are your vaccinated? If not why not?

Just curious because for someone as concerned as you right now, it boggles the mind why you wouldn’t get vaccinated and feel infinitely better about the current climate?

Are you part of the the anti-vaccine group of posters on this board?

Do you have a legitimate reason not to get the shots? Maybe a past really bad allergic reaction to a previous vaccine maybe?
 
Shufan are your vaccinated? If not why not?

Just curious because for someone as concerned as you right now, it boggles the mind why you wouldn’t get vaccinated and feel infinitely better about the current climate?

Are you part of the the anti-vaccine group of posters on this board?

Do you have a legitimate reason not to get the shots? Maybe a past really bad allergic reaction to a previous vaccine maybe?

You must have not read my past posts. I am not getting vaccinated until the FDA fully approves the vaccine.
 
Shufan are your vaccinated? If not why not?

Just curious because for someone as concerned as you right now, it boggles the mind why you wouldn’t get vaccinated and feel infinitely better about the current climate?

Are you part of the the anti-vaccine group of posters on this board?

Do you have a legitimate reason not to get the shots? Maybe a past really bad allergic reaction to a previous vaccine maybe?

And also with the Delta variant and further mutations I still wouldn't feel better about the current climate. I will still shelter in place after being fully vaccinated. I just think we are in for a rough fall/winter when a mutation evades the vaccines.
 
You must have not read my past posts. I am not getting vaccinated until the FDA fully approves the vaccine.
That’s right, I remember now.

Two shots of mRNA vaccines still work pretty well against delta (just not as well as original variants).

Pfizer should be fully approved in mid to late July :). Usually two months or so from submission in mid May.

While I’m super satisfied with the safety data available that has come out with the mRNA ones with only an EUA currently, i guess it’s not long to go from here for the full approval, compared to the wait you have had from March 2019.

Good luck!
 
That’s right, I remember now.

Two shots of mRNA vaccines still work pretty well against delta (just not as well as original variants).

Pfizer should be fully approved in mid to late July :). Usually two months or so from submission in mid May.

While I’m super satisfied with the safety data available that has come out with the mRNA ones with only an EUA currently, i guess it’s not long to go from here for the full approval, compared to the wait you have had from March 2019.

Good luck!

I don't understand your point about March 2019? We were not even in a pandemic in 2019.
 
@Merge I hate to break it to you but our bet is labor day for mask requirements everywhere, correct? We used Israel a couple months back as an indicator to how the United States would progress. Have you been following Israel the last few days? Half of Israeli's who have come down with the Delta Variant were fully vaccinated. Israel has now reinstated its indoor mask mandate. I predict New Jerseys mask mandate to be back around mid to late August. You could possibly lose the bet by labor day. The Israeli government also will reinstate some restrictions again based on the spread of the Delta variant

I know our governor has said masks won't be required in schools in fall but I take that with a grain of salt. I don't trust what a politician says in June. He will probably fall victim to the teachers unions pleas and masks will be back in schools as well.

It appears the virus doesn't care if people are vaccinated or not. The virus will virus and the governments will reinstate restrictions. Especially in the trip state area


How many serious cases (hospitalization/deaths) among fully vaccinated?

Also, a very large percentage of Israel’s population is vaccinated. So it’s not all that surprising that among the (relatively) small number of Delta cases, there is a large percentage of fully vaccinated people. To take a very simple example, imagine that 99 people were vaccinated and 1 person was not. Then assume 1 vaccinated person gets Covid as does the unvaccinated person. It is true that 50 percent of cases would be among fully vaccinated. But that’s not a very good measure of effectiveness of vaccines for obvious reasons—it’s more to do with size of populations.
 
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I hate to break it to you but our bet is labor day for mask requirements everywhere, correct?


If by labor day, everyone who wants a vaccine has had one and Biden is still pushing masks and there are still mask mandates everywhere I will never post on the LOTS board again. Want to make that bet?


"by labor day" does not equal "on labor day". You already lost a while ago.

Even if you want to extend it to labor day, that's fine... Not like you will honor it then either.

And yes, I am still watching Israel. Small increase in cases which has not resulted in any increase in serious cases or hospitalizations.
 
And also with the Delta variant and further mutations I still wouldn't feel better about the current climate. I will still shelter in place after being fully vaccinated. I just think we are in for a rough fall/winter when a mutation evades the vaccines.
It’s mind boggling that you are not vaccinated while you wait for FDA approval. If you ever did get CoVid I have no doubt that you would get EUA treatments like monoclonal antibodies treatment which work spectacularly well.

You want to hole up in your house that’s your choice. But posting incessantly is just annoying. We all understand your opinion. We just don’t need you to keep posting over and over.
 
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If you are 100% in a bunker somewhere with no contact with anyone outside the bunker, it won’t matter what you do with vaccines.

However it’s not likely anyone is really 100% in a bubble. With that in mind, and your concern for mutation of the virus and delta plus etc, you should probably get vaccinated for your mental health and as a bonus that you wont be contributing as much to COVID-19 virus mutating more.

it’s a win win, helps you and helps out your fellow man, even if you continue to live a solitary life.

i think with over a billion people vaccined now and many people over a year since first vaccinated (from trials), you are not the first wave of guinea pigs😂

Do you still fear the vaccine as much as the virus? Seems the virus more worrisome to you, correct?
 
@Merge Indoor mask mandates coming back to California. CDC expected to announce revised mask wearing recommendation for vaccinated next week. Murphy usually stays in line with the CDC. Indoor mask mandates are coming back sooner than I thought.

 
Hi @Merge. It looks more and more like the CDC will change its masks guidance for the vaccinated in the next few days to recommend vaccinated people to wears mask indoors. Governor Murphy usually do follows with what the CDC recommends, correct? So yes, it is very likely because of Delta we will be wearing masks by Labor Day. I tried warning this board for a few weeks and people were laughing at me. Now it looks like it will be true.

 
@Merge The WHO is now recommending mask for vaccinated because of the Delta variant. The CDC is now reviewing the guidance. Masks could be requirement again soon. September is still a couple months away. The bet is still on.
WHO is looking globally since only 15% vaccinated. CDC said today no masks and if you vaccinated the pandemic is over for you. Get vaccinated already and move on with life.
 
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WHO is looking globally since only 15% vaccinated. CDC said today no masks and if you vaccinated the pandemic is over for you. Get vaccinated already and move on with life.

As I said expect revised guidance from the CDC in a few days. Thank you.
 
@King of S Also can you provide me the CDC guidance that says if an individual is vaccinated the pandemic is over for that person?

Follow up- Who is saying that? Please provide evidence. Thank you.
 
If you think this will be a normal college basketball season you will be very wrong. I'm sure Seton hall will decide not to travel to some parts of the country where the Delta variant is causing another surge. As Tony Fauci said there will be two Americas.

 
@Merge Hello. I thought you said restrictions are no longer necessary in New Jersey? The governor disagrees. He noted that covid hospitalizations have ticked up in NJ over the last couple days. We are back over 300 covid related hospitalizations now. The governor believes another indoor mask mandate if Delta continues to spread in NJ over the next few weeks. We will be wearing masks again by Labor day.

 
Correct. That is my opinion.



Doubt it.

So you do not think the Delta variant will cause another round of shut downs across the United States?

Do you think the Delta variant pandemic will be serious in the United States?
 
Main points here to shut down thread.

1) -Delta variant will negatively impact US population more going forward, yes. I think it spreads more easily than the 2020 versions of covid-19. Every expert expects a surge in fall but will be enough to create more heavy handed restrictions, probably not.

2) -unvaccinated folks should be careful and masks up indoors whether there is a mandate/restrictions in their areas or not.

3) -leaders now less likely to create new mandates with rates low, even if they think rates and hospitalizations will grow a bit from where we are with unvaccinated and delta.

4)-since community spread in most places super low with high vaccination rates, I do not see politicians forcing more restrictions unless new data forces them to. I don’t predict anything more from Murphy in the September, maybe in Nov/Dec if things get out of hand though.

5) yes, vaccinated folks while much safer than unvaccinated can still get covid but much less likely and outcomes less severe or life threatening.

6) yes, those that had covid -19 in the past are less protected than those who have been vaccinated with 2 MRNA shots and so they still should still get vaccinated.


7) - Since 2 shots of MRNA still very effective in not dying, getting super sick, or sick at all, and still reduces spread combined that most folks got Pfizer or Moderna in US…the Delta variant is not super worrying for much of US population.

8) -Pandemic is still on globally, and in US for those not fully vaccinated especially not MRNA shots which are more effective.

9)- vaccines are good for society as a whole, do your part

10) whether new requirements, restrictions, mandates are starting in the fall, either way, unvaccinated should still take precautions and thank those of us who have been vaccinated to help you not get sick by reducing the spread.
 
“Shut down the thread”…. Someone has a very lofty opinion of themselves… LOL.
 
Main points here to shut down thread.

1) -Delta variant will negatively impact US population more going forward, yes. I think it spreads more easily than the 2020 versions of covid-19. Every expert expects a surge in fall but will be enough to create more heavy handed restrictions, probably not.

2) -unvaccinated folks should be careful and masks up indoors whether there is a mandate/restrictions in their areas or not.

3) -leaders now less likely to create new mandates with rates low, even if they think rates and hospitalizations will grow a bit from where we are with unvaccinated and delta.

4)-since community spread in most places super low with high vaccination rates, I do not see politicians forcing more restrictions unless new data forces them to. I don’t predict anything more from Murphy in the September, maybe in Nov/Dec if things get out of hand though.

5) yes, vaccinated folks while much safer than unvaccinated can still get covid but much less likely and outcomes less severe or life threatening.

6) yes, those that had covid -19 in the past are less protected than those who have been vaccinated with 2 MRNA shots and so they still should still get vaccinated.


7) - Since 2 shots of MRNA still very effective in not dying, getting super sick, or sick at all, and still reduces spread combined that most folks got Pfizer or Moderna in US…the Delta variant is not super worrying for much of US population.

8) -Pandemic is still on globally, and in US for those not fully vaccinated especially not MRNA shots which are more effective.

9)- vaccines are good for society as a whole, do your part

10) whether new requirements, restrictions, mandates are starting in the fall, either way, unvaccinated should still take precautions and thank those of us who have been vaccinated to help you not get sick by reducing the spread.

Thank you for the feedback. This is why I am telling people that are saying they are excited about going to the rock in the winter to hold that excitement. Unfortunately, I think this will be another season without fans. The virus will continue to mutate and people just don't realize that. We will be living with this virus for years and restrictions will continue to take place.
 
Main points here to shut down thread.

1) -Delta variant will negatively impact US population more going forward, yes. I think it spreads more easily than the 2020 versions of covid-19. Every expert expects a surge in fall but will be enough to create more heavy handed restrictions, probably not.

2) -unvaccinated folks should be careful and masks up indoors whether there is a mandate/restrictions in their areas or not.

3) -leaders now less likely to create new mandates with rates low, even if they think rates and hospitalizations will grow a bit from where we are with unvaccinated and delta.

4)-since community spread in most places super low with high vaccination rates, I do not see politicians forcing more restrictions unless new data forces them to. I don’t predict anything more from Murphy in the September, maybe in Nov/Dec if things get out of hand though.

5) yes, vaccinated folks while much safer than unvaccinated can still get covid but much less likely and outcomes less severe or life threatening.

6) yes, those that had covid -19 in the past are less protected than those who have been vaccinated with 2 MRNA shots and so they still should still get vaccinated.


7) - Since 2 shots of MRNA still very effective in not dying, getting super sick, or sick at all, and still reduces spread combined that most folks got Pfizer or Moderna in US…the Delta variant is not super worrying for much of US population.

8) -Pandemic is still on globally, and in US for those not fully vaccinated especially not MRNA shots which are more effective.

9)- vaccines are good for society as a whole, do your part

10) whether new requirements, restrictions, mandates are starting in the fall, either way, unvaccinated should still take precautions and thank those of us who have been vaccinated to help you not get sick by reducing the spread.

Will people who took the Johnson & Johnson vaccine be ok during the Delta variant pandemic?
 
Its just funny because people on this board including @Merge were saying we should not be concerned with the variants at all because of the vaccination rates in the United States. That will continue to be wrong and I was trying to warn the board about this. We will have a Delta pandemic this coming fall/winter and this will cause mandatory mask wearing/restrictions. I doubt there will be any fans at the rock this season and this will be a far from normal college basketball season.
 
“Shut down the thread”…. Someone has a very lofty opinion of themselves… LOL.
It’s 27 pages in this thread dude.

I’m guessing you want to continue this thread.

Which topic do you want to post more about, your propaganda on how the vaccines are more harmful than the virus so others are scared to get it or that there wasn’t a mask shortage in spring of 2020?

Get lost dude, you lost your credibility pages ago, lol.
 
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