Yes. It is most beneficial for the government and the media if everyone gets vaccinated and continue to mask up. Money talks! The beat goes on...
25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine
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Yes. It is most beneficial for the government and the media if everyone gets vaccinated and continue to mask up. Money talks! The beat goes on...
The public accepts masks because we didn’t have a vaccine. Now that we have a vaccine, the public is not going to continue to wear masks once the spread stops.
I am probably the most pro mask person here (outside of the award winning hazmat troll) and that support only extends to a point when we still need them.
The trends are VERY positive right now.
What don't you get? Restrictions won't be gone in the freaking summer! As our great governor said, "folks should expect to follow health protocols for the next couple years. This includes distancing, hand washing, and proper restrictions."
Ok. So do you believe by labor day weekend we will be fully open and jersey shore bars will be rocking? No capacity limits? Sell outs at Yankee stadium?
Yes. I do.
I think if you want a vaccine you will get one well before then. The spread will be very low and hospitalizations will be immaterial.
Not sure why anyone would think everyone will just go along with restrictions when this is over.
I agree and hope you're right, but there are a TON of frightened and brainwashed people out there who may never be the same again.
Well, there I hope I am right as well.
but even playing that out, if there are people who were brainwashed into this... Wouldn't they just as easily be brainwashed out? Once this stops spreading (and it will) won't CNN and others start praising Biden for his success in defeating Covid?
I just don't see what there is to gain by continuing restrictions once this is over. I think there is far more to gain when democrats start to take credit for defeating it.
I agree with this but it’s just an opinion. But if you’re right it supports what others have said here: that the case reporting, variants, and all the other fear porn that 09 has pointed out - all of which was while we for months had evidence that the end is near (vaccinations, average length of hospital stay, different means to treat (all widely underreported) - explains the dem’s motivations. But hey, I’m actually rooting for our current president.
Not quite. The pandemic was trending the wrong way for months. You don’t report that things are improving as the situation on the ground is getting worse every day.
The situation is improving now, but the media and politicians shouldn’t just flip a switch and downplay it now. We still need people to take it seriously. We still need a decent amount of the population to get vaccinated.
Hello. The CDC has now given an official statement saying that double masking is now recommended in indoor public places. The CDC now advises states to enforce a "double masking policy". So it appears I will be right, yet again.
No. The CDC is not advising states to enforce a double masking policy.
Lowest number of currently hospitalized patients since November 16th.
First time # of cases less than 100k since November 2nd.
Lowest 7 day average positivity rate since October 31st.
In the last week, there were 17 people receiving a vaccine injection for each person with a positive test result.
Trend indicators are very positive right now.
Lowest number of currently hospitalized patients since November 16th.
First time # of cases less than 100k since November 2nd.
Lowest 7 day average positivity rate since October 31st.
In the last week, there were 17 people receiving a vaccine injection for each person with a positive test result.
Trend indicators are very positive right now.
Your first paragraph is incorrect. Yes, the CDC is recommending double masking. This is the new guidance states are recommended to follow.
CDC recommends double masks to help protect against COVID-19
New guidance from the CDC advises wearing well-fitting, multilayer cloth face masks or layering a cloth mask over a disposable mask.
www.cbsnews.com
@Merge Can I point you in the direction of Harvard experts/doctors. They say we have to prepare for a surge in a few weeks to come. As I said before, now is the 'calm before the storm'
news.harvard.edu
Brace yourself for another COVID surge — and mask up, say experts
With new coronavirus variants on the U.S. pandemic scene, experts say brace yourself for another surge — and mask up.
news.harvard.edu
Sure. You can point me to it, but it is wrong.
For example.. ."In Israel, he said, 50 percent of the population has been vaccinated, but with the U.K. variant at 50 percent of cases, hospitalizations continue to rise. "
Hospitalizations are not rising in Israel. They are in fact declining and mostly from the 60+ age group which received the vaccine first. I mentioned I would be keeping an eye on Israel here a week ago to see how effective the vaccine is. There are early signs that it is quite effective.
Also - This line - "“The doubling rate is every 10 days, so that’s very concerning — extremely concerning,”
Obviously you want that to be higher but the doubling rate for Covid when it first hit us was WELL below 10 days. Closer to 2-3.
As I have always said. If you want to understand the trend in the US, keep an eye on 2 things. The positivity rate, and change in hospitalizations. If we start to see an increase in the positivity rate, that is a bad sign. If that extends to an increase in new hospitalizations, that is a worse sign.
Everything else is noise.
For example.. ."In Israel, he said, 50 percent of the population has been vaccinated, but with the U.K. variant at 50 percent of cases, hospitalizations continue to rise. "
Hospitalizations are not rising in Israel. They are in fact declining and mostly from the 60+ age group which received the vaccine first. I mentioned I would be keeping an eye on Israel here a week ago to see how effective the vaccine is. There are early signs that it is quite effective.
Also - This line - "“The doubling rate is every 10 days, so that’s very concerning — extremely concerning,”
Obviously you want that to be higher but the doubling rate for Covid when it first hit us was WELL below 10 days. Closer to 2-3.
As I have always said. If you want to understand the trend in the US, keep an eye on 2 things. The positivity rate, and change in hospitalizations. If we start to see an increase in the positivity rate, that is a bad sign. If that extends to an increase in new hospitalizations, that is a worse sign.
Everything else is noise.
That data is not as available.
It's an important part of the outcome discussion, but really just talking about the trends in the spread here.
The CDC is now saying fully vaccinated people do not have to quarantine when in close contact with covid positive people. But, after being 3 months fully vaccinated people will have to begin quarantining again. Wow, if this is really the case we are going to be in this mess for a long time. Fully Vaccinated people will have to quarantine 3 months after the 2 shots if they are in contact with a positive person?
www.cnn.com
Fully vaccinated people can skip Covid quarantines, CDC says | CNN
People who have been fully vaccinated against coronavirus -- right now that means with two doses of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine -- can skip quarantine if they are exposed to someone infected with the virus, CDC said Wednesday.
That data is collected, just not reported on the CDC site. Maybe we are looking at different things. I look at LOS as a precursor of deaths and hospital capacity.
I am hearing that anyone who wants to be vaccinated will be able to get it by May, perhaps June the latest. Once the J&J vaccine is in the system, we'll see a significant bump.
State of PA has done some really stupid stuff in rolling this out. Without knowing how many doses were in the process of being shipped, they arbitrarily expanded the 1a group to include over 65 and anyone between 16 - 64 with a health issue. Essentially expanded the pool of people eligible to 3.5 million overwhelming the system that was set up.
State of PA has done some really stupid stuff in rolling this out. Without knowing how many doses were in the process of being shipped, they arbitrarily expanded the 1a group to include over 65 and anyone between 16 - 64 with a health issue. Essentially expanded the pool of people eligible to 3.5 million overwhelming the system that was set up.
What months are you talking about Auditor? Below you just compared November hospitalizations and current ones. Please also send your data on length of hospital stay to rebut what I said in October that length of stay decreased dramatically
You're not following.
When you said "all of which was while we for months had evidence that the end is near"
That just isn't true.
The positivity rate and hospitalizations started creeping up in late October. That lead to Covid becoming the leading cause of death in the united states and has been for months now. The media was not wrong to characterize that as bad. We hoped that the vaccine would be effective as we roll it out and we are just starting to see signs that it will be effective.
Bad trends - November to January.
Good trends - January to now.
Also, I've never taken issue with length of stay decreasing. Of course it should decrease as we get better at treating people. Not sure what your going on about there.
Happy Friday all! I have been warning this board for almost a year now that we will be wearing masks for the rest of our lives. There will be continuing to be baby step for the government to force this. Originally president Biden requested Americans to wear masks for his first 100 days in office. At the time Biden said, "itd just 100 days. That's all I'm asking."
Now per the below the president has changed his time. Now he is requesting americans to wear masks "at least until 2022". Even if we reach herd immunity by the summer.
@Merge Are you still fine with your prediction that we will be maskless this summer?
nypost.com
Now per the below the president has changed his time. Now he is requesting americans to wear masks "at least until 2022". Even if we reach herd immunity by the summer.
@Merge Are you still fine with your prediction that we will be maskless this summer?
Biden tells Americans to wear masks for COVID-19 until at least 2022
President Biden on Thursday stressed the importance of wearing masks until at least 2022 to save lives — despite declaring the US will have enough supply of vaccines by the summer to inoculate 300 …
nypost.com
@Merge You said once we have enough vaccines we will be able to go back to normal. The president tends to disagree. Even if we have 300 people vaccinated by end of this summer, the president is now asking us to wear masks to 2022.
Also during his whole campaign and the beginning of his campaign President Biden called for Americans to wear their masks for the "first 100 days". How can first 100 days change to 2022 so quick? Something is happening!
Also during his whole campaign and the beginning of his campaign President Biden called for Americans to wear their masks for the "first 100 days". How can first 100 days change to 2022 so quick? Something is happening!
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If by labor day, everyone who wants a vaccine has had one and Biden is still pushing masks and there are still mask mandates everywhere I will never post on the LOTS board again. Want to make that bet?
YES I'll take that in a heartbeat! Because the President has already said he is asking Americans to wear masks to 2022! You think murphy is pulling his mask mandate by labor day? That's funny! Murphy already said we should expect some health protocols to be followed for the next couple years at least.
Winter spike during flu season....people get scared and so got tested.
What’s death rate?
I'll take you even a step further! If there are no mask mandates by labor day, I will stop posting in LOTS! But I think you will be the person that will have to stop posting!
Right. Things got worse. Remember that part when you asked why the media wasn't reporting that things were getting better?
It was because things were getting worse.
It's like if Sandro goes down at the half and Marquette goes on a 20-0 run to start the 2nd half, we wouldn't say we have them right where we want them if Sandro comes back into the game, right?
Death rate of identified case is currently 1.7% Though is likely significantly less than that due to unidentified cases.
Boys, boys.....please stop. I don't want either of you to stop posting.
How about if Merge wins, shufan1993 has dinner maskless at the restaurant of Merge's choice and if shufan1993 wins, Merge buys and wears a hazmat suit at the first Seton Hall game fans are allowed to attend.
How about if Merge wins, shufan1993 has dinner maskless at the restaurant of Merge's choice and if shufan1993 wins, Merge buys and wears a hazmat suit at the first Seton Hall game fans are allowed to attend.
Correct. I am fine with the original deal. I just don't see myself going out for dinner anytime in 2021. Almost going on a year since I left the house.
Unfortunately, the Mayor has already confirmed with me I cannot win the citizen of the year award again. Some one asked me once where I am from and I mentioned Atlantic county and the town in my post. I guess no one decided to research further. And no I will not share the post again. Please look back on the board.
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Merge refuses to acknowledge that Democrats or even Rs have anyone’s best interests at heart
hahaha
