25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

[shufan1993]

Murphy said restrictions/mandatory mask wearing is on the table again. This will be interesting! We can be wearing masks again by Labor Day! Looks like I will be right yet again!

N.J. reports 3 COVID deaths, 358 cases. Murphy says ‘all options’ are ‘on the table’ to fight Delta variant.

Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday the state’s numbers are “very strong” but noted officials are watching the variant “very, very closely”

www.nj.com

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge You told me all is well in Israel (That is no longer the case). New predictions show without restrictions Israel eill have 1000+ daily positives in a couple weeks.

Experts: Without restrictions, daily COVID cases could rise to 1,000 in 2 weeks

Hebrew University report urges government to adopt immediate new measures to curb outbreak, estimates vaccines 60-80% effective in preventing contagion for Delta variant

www.timesofisrael.com

You also told me this was over in NJ. That is no longer the case either. Governor Murphy is now considering reinstating restrictions. Just admit you were wrong!

N.J. reports 3 COVID deaths, 358 cases. Murphy says ‘all options’ are ‘on the table’ to fight Delta variant.

Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday the state’s numbers are “very strong” but noted officials are watching the variant “very, very closely”

www.nj.com

 

[shufan1993]

That's the new scare tactic. Don't believe it. Every virus has "variants."

Old bad takes exposed. @shu09 said this in February. We are the verge of more shut downs and mask wearing with the Delta variant

 

[shu09]

It is nothing more than a scare tactic. Keep the masses submissive and controlled.

 

[shufan1993]

It is nothing more than a scare tactic. Keep the masses submissive and controlled.

Lol what do you even mean?

 

[King of S]

Murphy said restrictions/mandatory mask wearing is on the table again. This will be interesting! We can be wearing masks again by Labor Day! Looks like I will be right yet again!

N.J. reports 3 COVID deaths, 358 cases. Murphy says ‘all options’ are ‘on the table’ to fight Delta variant.

Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday the state’s numbers are “very strong” but noted officials are watching the variant “very, very closely”

www.nj.com

Not if you’re vaccinated. Pandemic is over for vaccinated people.

 

[shufan1993]

Not if you’re vaccinated. Pandemic is over for vaccinated people.

Ok I will ask again. Please provide me the CDC guidance that says the pandemic is over for vaccinated people. You have provided 0 sources that say this so far.

Also, you said everyone in NJ hospitals for covid related illness are unvaccinated. Please provide the source that confirms this. Or did you just bs that and pretend to know more than a friend of mine that works in a hospital? Right now in his hospital there are 3 fully Vaccinated people for covid related illness.
All 3 are Delta variant patients.

 

[shu09]

 

[shufan1993]

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Ok. A government official who is facing re election is saying this? You are obsessed with the government my man! Show CDC guidance. Thank you!

 

[shufan1993]

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Honestly hilarious you shared a tweet from a democrat governor who is telling us this is a pandemic for the unvaccinated. It seems like you are correct controlled yourself!

 

[Hallsome]

Ok. A government official who is facing re election is saying this? You are obsessed with the government my man! Show CDC guidance. Thank you!is CDC guidance the controlling

Please show me evidence re the CDC....

 

[dehere23]

Fact: There is a strong correlation between low vaccination rates and counties and states that voted for Trump in 2020 election. Not debatable.

Fact: In general, Southern states voted more for Trump than Biden.

Fact: There is more obesity in southern states then elsewhere.

Fact: Obesity is considered unhealthy and like many other comorbitities can make COVID-19 infection outcomes worse

Fact: The % of Obese people in southern states by demographics like race is higher among black and Latino and lower with white and Asian. (This is for a side topic from Hall85 trying to muddy the water).

Fact: Black and Latinos less likely to vote Trump.

Fact: There are much more white people obese by total number than black people sooo there are much more unvaccinated obsese Trump voters in southern states where if Hall85 is correct, will negatively affect overall health when more spread happens in pockets down there.

Fact: Both Republicans and Democrat politicians made the pandemic, vaccines, masks a political thing to strenthen their base to the detriment of the health of its citizens. Republican politicians were much much worse offenders of it though.

Fact: Hall85 can’t admit when he is wrong in so many of these threads.

Agree with all this except for the R’s being the “much worse offenders”. What the Ds and the teachers union conspired to do was criminal. I’m biased on this b/c I have young kids and also family members who are teachers and we’re against what was going on every step of the way. But I’m never letting any D’s/union off the hook on that, because true colors were shown.

 

[dehere23]

@kniespolice Never forget. Kamala said she would never take a vaccine Trump approved of. Then she went ahead and took the vaccine a few months later. If Trump won, would have Kamala not taken the vaccine?

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I know folks try and twist what she was saying in this clip, but we all know reality. It’s so beautiful because it exposures what absolute frauds many politicians are.

 

[shu09]

Here come the mandatory vaccines. Check out what's buried in the middle of this article. I never thought this could happen in America but I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore. We're going full authoritarian in the US.

States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated | CNN

When you compare states with high vaccination rates to states that are lagging, the difference in the number of people getting Covid-19 is staggering.

www.cnn.com

 

[Merge]

Here come the mandatory vaccines. Check out what's buried in the middle of this article. I never thought this could happen in America but I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore. We're going full authoritarian in the US.

States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated | CNN

When you compare states with high vaccination rates to states that are lagging, the difference in the number of people getting Covid-19 is staggering.

www.cnn.com

You never thought vaccines would be mandated at local levels? We have many vaccines mandated at local levels.

That said, I don't expect the covid vaccine will be mandated (even after FDA approval) for several reasons. Though I do hope that the people at risk in states with low vaccination rates look at this news and the news that almost all of the Covid deaths in the US are unvaccinated, and they choose to get vaccinated.

 

[shufan1993]

You never thought vaccines would be mandated at local levels? We have many vaccines mandated at local levels.

That said, I don't expect the covid vaccine will be mandated (even after FDA approval) for several reasons. Though I do hope that the people at risk in states with low vaccination rates look at this news and the news that almost all of the Covid deaths in the US are unvaccinated, and they choose to get vaccinated.

@Merge I thought you said this was over and to find a new schtick? The virus disagrees. The US will be going about 20k daily cases again and as we know mortality is a lagging indicator. My greatest fear is the virus will continue to mutate and evade the Vaccines. Then we will be back to square 1.

States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated | CNN

When you compare states with high vaccination rates to states that are lagging, the difference in the number of people getting Covid-19 is staggering.

www.cnn.com

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Here come the mandatory vaccines. Check out what's buried in the middle of this article. I never thought this could happen in America but I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore. We're going full authoritarian in the

You never thought vaccines would be mandated at local levels? We have many vaccines mandated at local levels.

That said, I don't expect the covid vaccine will be mandated (even after FDA approval) for several reasons. Though I do hope that the people at risk in states with low vaccination rates look at this news and the news that almost all of the Covid deaths in the US are unvaccinated, and they choose to get vaccinated.

I'd wager it will be mandated for kids to enter the public school system within a few years as other vaccines are.

 

[shu09]

You never thought vaccines would be mandated at local levels?

Never in a million years (until we started following the Chinese playbook).

 

[shu09]

@kniespolice Sadly, I agree.

 

[Merge]

Never in a million years (until we started following the Chinese playbook).

Never in a million years did you think we would do something that we already are doing?

 

[Merge]

@kniespolice It's possible but in my opinion that only happens if the virus becomes more deadly.

 

[shu09]

Never in a million years did you think we would do something that we already are doing?

What government (in the US) currently mandates vaccination of any kind? I'm not aware of any.

 

[Merge]

What government (in the US) currently mandates vaccination of any kind? I'm not aware of any.

Every state in the country has vaccine requirements to attend school.

 

[shu09]

Every state in the country has vaccine requirements to attend school.

Interesting. But I'm talking about government mandates on adults.

 

[Merge]

Interesting. But I'm talking about government mandates on adults.

We haven't needed them recently because the vaccines we all get as children will last long enough.

Though, you should read the opinion in Jacobson v. Mass.

 

[shufan1993]

BREAKING: Murphy confirms delta is now the predominant variant in the state. State will continue to review if further restrictions will be put going into the fall.

N.J. reports 4 COVID deaths, 227 cases. Delta variant continues to rise in state.

More than 5.11 million people who live, work or study in the New Jersey have now been fully vaccinated.

www.nj.com

 

[shu09]

Mandatory vaccines now coming to French and Greek health workers and eventually the entire population from the sounds of it.

France's Macron orders all health workers to get vaccinated

French President Emmanuel Macron has ordered all French health care workers to get virus vaccines by Sept. 15 and urged all of his compatriots to get vaccinated as soon as possible.

apnews.com

Greece pressures vaccine skeptics as infections surge

Health care workers in Greece will be suspended if they refuse to get vaccinated under a new mandatory policy announced by the country’s prime minister

abcnews.go.com

When will people wake up? This has been a coordinated global plot from the very beginning.

 

[King of S]

@Merge I thought you said this was over and to find a new schtick? The virus disagrees. The US will be going about 20k daily cases again and as we know mortality is a lagging indicator. My greatest fear is the virus will continue to mutate and evade the Vaccines. Then we will be back to square 1.

States with low vaccination numbers had Covid-19 case rates last week 3 times higher than others where people are fully vaccinated | CNN

When you compare states with high vaccination rates to states that are lagging, the difference in the number of people getting Covid-19 is staggering.

www.cnn.com

And all are unvaccinated. Read the article and then go out and get your shot.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Mandatory vaccines now coming to French and Greek health workers and eventually the entire population from the sounds of it.

France's Macron orders all health workers to get vaccinated

French President Emmanuel Macron has ordered all French health care workers to get virus vaccines by Sept. 15 and urged all of his compatriots to get vaccinated as soon as possible.

apnews.com

Greece pressures vaccine skeptics as infections surge

Health care workers in Greece will be suspended if they refuse to get vaccinated under a new mandatory policy announced by the country’s prime minister

abcnews.go.com

When will people wake up? This has been a coordinated global plot from the very beginning.

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Yes, all of the global countries planned for a pandemic to restrict our rights. They cant get anything by you.

 

[shu09]

Yes, all of the global countries planned for a pandemic to restrict our rights. They cant get anything by you.

That's pretty much what they did. It's the ruling class vs. the peasants. Fear is the main tool used throughout history to get groups of people to acquiesce to those who hold the power. In this case, fear of a virus that most people survive with no problem. Most people don't have open minds or aren't motivated to look at this stuff on their own so they just accept and follow the company line, hook, line and sinker.

What they want is a system of total control - digital wallets, digital health records, etc. They can restrict you or allow you access to various things with the push of a button depending on how compliant you are to the regime. The World Economic Forum pretty much admits this. They've been working on this for decades and now they finally have the technology to do it. Scary, scary times. Thank God for federalism in the United States, but if we're not careful we will fall fast.

After they push the vaccine, climate lockdowns and restrictions are next.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

That's pretty much what they did. It's the ruling class vs. the peasants. Fear is the main tool used throughout history to get groups of people to acquiesce to those who hold the power. In this case, fear of a virus that most people survive with no problem. Most people don't have open minds or aren't motivated to look at this stuff on their own so they just accept and follow the company line, hook, line and sinker.

What they want is a system of total control - digital wallets, digital health records, etc. They can restrict you or allow you access to various things with the push of a button depending on how compliant you are to the regime. The World Economic Forum pretty much admits this. They've been working on this for decades and now they finally have the technology to do it. Scary, scary times. Thank God for federalism in the United States, but if we're not careful we will fall fast.

After they push the vaccine, climate lockdowns and restrictions are next.

We already have climate restrictions, like when you can water your lawn to mitigate droughts. You are railing against electronic medical records, I'm not sure how that's a negative. Doctors can diagnose their patients better with information at their fingertips. We all sign off on this stuff, you have a choice.

 

[shu09]

We already have climate restrictions, like when you can water your lawn to mitigate droughts. You are railing against electronic medical records, I'm not sure how that's a negative. Doctors can diagnose their patients better with information at their fingertips. We all sign off on this stuff, you have a choice.

No, I'm talking on a much bigger scale than watering your lawn or going to the doctor. Digital medial records in a doctor's office are protected by privacy laws.

I'm talking about a future system where you own nothing, you are constantly tracked and you have all your health and financial information in one place for any machine to scan or anyone to stop and ask you for. Completely dependent on the ruling class. Let's pray it never happens. I certainly hope I'm wrong and can laugh about it years from now.

 

[Merge]

n this case, fear of a virus that most people survive with no problem. Most people don't have open minds or aren't motivated to look at this stuff on their own so they just accept and follow the company line, hook, line and sinker.

When this virus originally hit, you thought it was going to be no big deal. You said we will end up well under 100k deaths and everything was so the government can control us, even after Covid became the leading cause of death in the US for months - you still thought the restrictions were about control. I don't think you have had an open mind on this issue at all. I followed that link from Michael Senger and now get why you were coming here saying that we were following China's lockdown policy and why you were saying lockdowns were never part of any lockdown preparation. You were just repeating what he wrote, even though he was wrong. You believe him because you agree with him. That's not having an open mind.

What they want is a system of total control - digital wallets, digital health records, etc.

Digital wallets and health records are both beneficial to the public and the future there will be from decentralized solutions outside of government control.

 

[dehere23]

When this virus originally hit, you thought it was going to be no big deal. You said we will end up well under 100k deaths and everything was so the government can control us, even after Covid became the leading cause of death in the US for months - you still thought the restrictions were about control. I don't think you have had an open mind on this issue at all. I followed that link from Michael Senger and now get why you were coming here saying that we were following China's lockdown policy and why you were saying lockdowns were never part of any lockdown preparation. You were just repeating what he wrote, even though he was wrong. You believe him because you agree with him. That's not having an open mind.




Digital wallets and health records are both beneficial to the public and the future there will be from decentralized solutions outside of government control.

I think it is going to be a tough argument to require vaccination of kids under 12 to attend public school this coming fall when kids under 12 cannot presently get the vaccination (I believe), for good reason. I don't even think the teacher's union would advocate and hold the line on that for another few billion, remote work conditions and limited workdays. But I guess anything is on the table at this point.

 

[shu09]

I think it is going to be a tough argument to require vaccination of kids under 12 to attend public school this coming fall when kids under 12 cannot presently get the vaccination (I believe), for good reason. I don't even think the teacher's union would advocate and hold the line on that for another few billion, remote work conditions and limited workdays. But I guess anything is on the table at this point.

I read the NEA recently had a vote on a measure from some kook in California who wanted mandatory vaccination. Thankfully it was voted down. But the fight is not over yet. Resist them at every turn if they even hint at mandatory vaccination.

 

[shu09]

When this virus originally hit, you thought it was going to be no big deal. You said we will end up well under 100k deaths and everything was so the government can control us, even after Covid became the leading cause of death in the US for months - you still thought the restrictions were about control. I don't think you have had an open mind on this issue at all. I followed that link from Michael Senger and now get why you were coming here saying that we were following China's lockdown policy and why you were saying lockdowns were never part of any lockdown preparation. You were just repeating what he wrote, even though he was wrong. You believe him because you agree with him. That's not having an open mind.




Digital wallets and health records are both beneficial to the public and the future there will be from decentralized solutions outside of government control.

100k was a guess. Nobody knew anything concrete at the time. The restrictions were only supposed to prevent an overwhelming of hospitals (at least that's what they said). Why are we still talking about covid today?

Here we are 16 months later with only 600k deaths in the US (330M population) and we have endless talk of variants, vaccines and more regulations. WHEN DOES IT END? Most average people I see in daily life know that covid is over. Why does the government and media insist on keeping it at the top of mind? Because it's not about a virus. It is a fundamental altering/reset of culture, pivoting towards a "safety regime" that thinks they can eliminate any and all risk.

 

[shufan1993]

100k was a guess. Nobody knew anything concrete at the time. The restrictions were only supposed to prevent an overwhelming of hospitals (at least that's what they said). Why are we still talking about covid today?

Here we are 16 months later with only 600k deaths in the US (330M population) and we have endless talk of variants, vaccines and more regulations. WHEN DOES IT END? Most average people I see in daily life know that covid is over. Why does the government and media insist on keeping it at the top of mind? Because it's not about a virus. It is a fundamental altering/reset of culture, pivoting towards a "safety regime" that thinks they can eliminate any and all risk.

You're just fear mongering yourself.

 

[Merge]

100k was a guess. Nobody knew anything concrete at the time. The restrictions were only supposed to prevent an overwhelming of hospitals (at least that's what they said). Why are we still talking about covid today?

Right, we didn't know anything concrete at the time including what our response should be. We still don't have concrete answers about what the virus really is, where it came from, what it does in our bodies, why some people are more susceptible of severe reaction, what the long term effects are and how long it stays in our body.

Our response all along was learning more and guessing about how to proceed and some decided to err on the side of caution in light of the fact that we don't have all the answers.

Here we are 16 months later with only 600k deaths in the US (330M population) and we have endless talk of variants, vaccines and more regulations. WHEN DOES IT END? Most average people I see in daily life know that covid is over. Why does the government and media insist on keeping it at the top of mind?

It's a global pandemic that has killed over 4 million people now. The media talks about it because that is news worthy and fear works. Politicians talk about it because they want us to be in the best position to end it. They want people to get vaccinated so we don't have spots of this country popping up with larger outbreaks. They want there to be less of a chance this mutates into something worse here. If every state in the country received the vaccine at the same rate as NJ, we would probably be done talking about it outside of it being a global pandemic news story.

It is a fundamental altering/reset of culture, pivoting towards a "safety regime" that thinks they can eliminate any and all risk.

Or... It's a pandemic, and we are adjusting to it for a period of time, erring on the side of caution and will move on when we are done.

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge @shu09 Will the rock only admit vaccinated fans to Seton hall games this coming season?

 

[shu09]

It's a global pandemic that has killed over 4 million people now. The media talks about it because that is news worthy and fear works. Politicians talk about it because they want us to be in the best position to end it. They want people to get vaccinated so we don't have spots of this country popping up with larger outbreaks. They want there to be less of a chance this mutates into something worse here. If every state in the country received the vaccine at the same rate as NJ, we would probably be done talking about it outside of it being a global pandemic news story.



Or... It's a pandemic, and we are adjusting to it for a period of time, erring on the side of caution and will move on when we are done.

#1 - I am glad to see you admit that fear works. That's exactly what it has been, a fear campaign.
#2 - 4 million is terrible worldwide but you have to realize that the vast majority were very old and/or in poor health. Not much you can do about that and there are well over 7 billion people in the world. It's a very small percentage.
#3 - If the politicians want people to get vaccinated, why are they talking about possibly reinstating restrictions and mask wearing? Either the vaccines work or they don't. I believe they work and there is no need for restrictions because people have either taken the vaccine or they assume the risk of getting sick.
#4 - Viruses mutate into more transmissible but less virulent strains all the time. It's what they do to stay alive and get to as many hosts as they can. That doesn't mean it's going to kill people at a higher rate.
#5 - I am not convinced things will "be done" anytime soon and I know that government will never move on from it. Too much of an invented crisis to waste.