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25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

#1 - I am glad to see you admit that fear works. That's exactly what it has been, a fear campaign.
#2 - 4 million is terrible worldwide but you have to realize that the vast majority were very old and/or in poor health. Not much you can do about that and there are well over 7 billion people in the world. It's a very small percentage.
#3 - If the politicians want people to get vaccinated, why are they talking about possibly reinstating restrictions and mask wearing? Either the vaccines work or they don't. I believe they work and there is no need for restrictions because people have either taken the vaccine or they assume the risk of getting sick.
#4 - Viruses mutate into more transmissible but less virulent strains all the time. It's what they do to stay alive and get to as many hosts as they can. That doesn't mean it's going to kill people at a higher rate.
#5 - I am not convinced things will "be done" anytime soon and I know that government will never move on from it. Too much of an invented crisis to waste.

1. Of course fear works. That always has and always will be the case. Media and politicians will always use it when they can. That said, the original discussions around covid potentially killing hundreds of thousands of Americans was not fear. That was reality even though you brushed that idea off as fear as well.

2. I get what you're saying when you say "or in poor health" - but you also have to recognize there that the vast majority of people over 50 would be classified in that bucket. It's not like all these were people knocking on deaths door.

3. Vaccines do work, and I agree that restrictions are no longer necessary. Our opinions aside, politicians are not just going to sit back and watch areas with low vaccination rates fill up hospitals so they are trying to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

4. Viruses mutating is constant, though not a rule that it would be more or less deadly or more or less virulent.
There is a possibility it mutates into the common cold. Also a possibility it mutates into something similar to SARS where it kills a much more significant number of infected people.

5. I don't understand your line of thinking there. Everything is back to normal for you and has been for some time. What have we not moved on from?
 
2. I get what you're saying when you say "or in poor health" - but you also have to recognize there that the vast majority of people over 50 would be classified in that bucket. It's not like all these were people knocking on deaths door.

5. I don't understand your line of thinking there. Everything is back to normal for you and has been for some time. What have we not moved on from?
#2 is a stretch. If you look at the data on fatalities, the vast majority are the very elderly (most fragile) and those that have more than one comorbidity or if they had one, it was severe in nature (i.e. morbidly obese). We are not just talking "50% of the population".

The sad part is that those that were unhealthy and have survived are more unhealthy now (and more at risk) because of the poor/lack of messaging on healthy lifestyle, eating, exercising. MSM and politicians have crapped the bed on that one which will have long term consequences to the health of our population.

#5...things are not back to normal. Went to a physicians office today and required to wear a mask....teachers unions, politicians pushing masks for schools in the fall; employee mental health issues...concerns about coming back to work impacting company performance; labor market is upside down with incentives that are keeping people from re-entering the job market. We are dealing with the collateral damage of poor decision making and messaging.
 
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1. Of course fear works. That always has and always will be the case. Media and politicians will always use it when they can. That said, the original discussions around covid potentially killing hundreds of thousands of Americans was not fear. That was reality even though you brushed that idea off as fear as well.

2. I get what you're saying when you say "or in poor health" - but you also have to recognize there that the vast majority of people over 50 would be classified in that bucket. It's not like all these were people knocking on deaths door.

3. Vaccines do work, and I agree that restrictions are no longer necessary. Our opinions aside, politicians are not just going to sit back and watch areas with low vaccination rates fill up hospitals so they are trying to encourage more people to get vaccinated.

4. Viruses mutating is constant, though not a rule that it would be more or less deadly or more or less virulent.
There is a possibility it mutates into the common cold. Also a possibility it mutates into something similar to SARS where it kills a much more significant number of infected people.

5. I don't understand your line of thinking there. Everything is back to normal for you and has been for some time. What have we not moved on from?

5. It is nice everything is back to normal for you. I still don't understand how it is. You don't have to wear a mask when you go to a doctor's office? You are not feeling the effects of pandemic related inflation? Didn't Governor Murphy still say kids might have to wear masks in the fall because of the Delta variant threat?
 
COVID is surging in 45 States. Who would have ever thought we would have been at this point with vaccines? I warned this board about this but people refused to listen! @Merge told me this was over and we are back to normal.



 
Delta variants is making younger unvaccinated patients extremely sick. Get your vaccine now! I got my jab yesterday! Jansen!

 
Dr. Scott Gotlieb, who has been viewed as a voice of reason during this pandemic from certain posters on this board is saying "the worst is yet to come" during the Delta variant endemic". Dr Gotlieb says he thinks all states should think about enforcing mandatory mask mandates again.

@Merge It appears it is more likely we will be wearing masks by Labor Day...

 
Gottlieb said in the fall of 2020 that it would all be over by January. He is just spouting what his masters tell him to.
 
@shu09 I thought you said the COVID does not impact children? The surgeon general of Mississippi disagrees. There are currently 7 children in the ICU for covid. The surgeon general is pleading with parents to vaccinate their children before this gets worse.

 
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@Merge I thought you said variants aren't going to be a concern? You were 100% wrong on that. Delta is in the United States and there are 20,000 positive tests now a day. I am not looking forward to this fall.

 
It is pretty funny a lot of posters are quiet now because they are seeing I am right about the Delta variant
 
@Merge I thought you said variants aren't going to be a concern? You were 100% wrong on that. Delta is in the United States and there are 20,000 positive tests now a day. I am not looking forward to this fall.


You’re misunderstanding what I am saying.

I am not concerned about Delta. I live in NJ and thankfully our state has been vaccinated at a rate that the threat is extremely low.

We have the tools available to beat this. If people choose not to get vaccinated in certain areas, that’s on them.
 
You’re misunderstanding what I am saying.

I am not concerned about Delta. I live in NJ and thankfully our state has been vaccinated at a rate that the threat is extremely low.

We have the tools available to beat this. If people choose not to get vaccinated in certain areas, that’s on them.

Thank you for clarifying. You should be concerned until the world is fully vaccinated.
 
The point was polling shows that, in general, republican voters are much less likely to be vaccinated than democratic voters.

One county does not prove or disprove if that is true or not. There is a fairly high correlation across the country.

There was a recent NY Times article that alluded to the "two" Democratic parties. One is the wealthy that live in upscale neighborhoods and are largely white. Those are the Democrats you are referring to.
 
Fact: There is a strong correlation between low vaccination rates and counties and states that voted for Trump in 2020 election. Not debatable.

Fact: Both Republicans and Democrat politicians made the pandemic, vaccines, masks a political thing to strenthen their base to the detriment of the health of its citizens. Republican politicians were much much worse offenders of it though.

I think there's a lot of room for disagreement on that one, though I agree with your greater point. Mortality rate in FL lower than NY/NJ despite being the "wild west" and having a much older population. Murphy and Cuomo get a pass for what happened in long term care facilities, just as Cuomo got off the #metoo hook, and the Murphy campaign buried the Al Alvarez incident.
 
I think there's a lot of room for disagreement on that one, though I agree with your greater point. Mortality rate in FL lower than NY/NJ despite being the "wild west" and having a much older population. Murphy and Cuomo get a pass for what happened in long term care facilities, just as Cuomo got off the #metoo hook, and the Murphy campaign buried the Al Alvarez incident.
Would love to find out the official death rate before vax came out.
 
@Merge You said we would be done with this by summer. You couldn't be more wrong. Yankees game cancelled tonight because of COVID positives.
 
Lol.. apparently our bet is as for one day only.

If you admit you were wrong about the course of the pandemic I would be happy. You clearly said this would be over by summer and an after thought. Clearly that is not the case and things are clearly going in the wrong direction. This fall and winter are going to be brutal again.
 
Hi @King of S. According to you, the pandemic is over for those who are Vaccinated. However, the state of Massachusetts released some interesting stats. 79 fully vaccinated state residents have died of covid 19. 303 fully vaccinated patients are currently hospitalized. I wish the governor of NJ would be this transparent. Per my doctor friend that works at a NJ hospital, the number at his hospital is up to 22 fully vaccinated covid patients. 3 on ventilators.

 
@Merge IHME has ticked up their predictions again. 7000+ positive cases a day by October 1. It appears the vaccines are doing a fantastic job!

1000+ hospital beds are needed. My doctor friend did tell me NJ hospitals are preparing for a surge in August to October.
 
Hi @King of S. Can you please send me the link that shows all people that are hospitalized in NJ for covid are unvaccinated? I would be interested to see to see that information. Or did you just lie about that?
 
Hi @King of S. According to you, the pandemic is over for those who are Vaccinated. However, the state of Massachusetts released some interesting stats. 79 fully vaccinated state residents have died of covid 19. 303 fully vaccinated patients are currently hospitalized. I wish the governor of NJ would be this transparent. Per my doctor friend that works at a NJ hospital, the number at his hospital is up to 22 fully vaccinated covid patients. 3 on ventilators.

Here you go: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...-patients-have-one-thing-common-they-n1270482.
 
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Governor Murphy announced numerous times that 99.8% folks in hospitals are unvaccinated. Look it up.

Ok. I'm looking for the actual breakdown. Where is the governor getting these stats from. Or is he misleading the public?

Also you are totally deflecting on the numbers from Massachusetts? Thoughts? Or do the Massachusetts numbers not follow your own agenda?

 
@Merge Not great numbers from the Garden State! I thought you said covid would have been an afterthought in NJ this summer? Considering hospitalizations are a lagging indicator, we will see a surge soon. RT up to 1.24, cases are going up quick.

As my doctor friend told me, NJ have hospitals are preparing for an August-October surge. This is far from over! The variants are winning the race against the vaccines! RT is at its highest since November 2020

 
Unfortunately, this writer is 100% correct. We have to say good bye to our covid care free summer. @Merge incorrectly predicted that covid would be an afterthought this summer even when I was telling him he would be wrong. As this writer states covid cases are going up in all 50 states and hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators.

IHME has NJ at 1000+ covid related hospitalizations on NJ on October 1.

@HALL85 Just to let you know my doctor friend has told me NJ hospitals are gearing up for a covid wave from August to October. Its not over, Johnny!

 
Do you have joy in your life?

What are your thoughts on the CDC declaration that this is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated? You seem to point to the CDC a lot.

Get a life. Just back from a 2-week vacation. Didn’t have a problem asking my kids to put on a mask briefly indoors. Had a great time in the pool, ocean, hiking in the mountains… there’s more to life than cowering behind a keyboard with @ this person and @ that person.
 
Yes I have the simple joys of life such family and friends. But when there is a pandemic that I also take very seriously. Vaccinated people are still spreading the virus. Look at the Yankees!
 
Do you have joy in your life?

What are your thoughts on the CDC declaration that this is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated? You seem to point to the CDC a lot.

Get a life. Just back from a 2-week vacation. Didn’t have a problem asking my kids to put on a mask briefly indoors. Had a great time in the pool, ocean, hiking in the mountains… there’s more to life than cowering behind a keyboard with @ this person and @ that person. I used to think you were a troll.
I agree it’s over
But I’m a bit startled by the SG and CDC using the the word pandemic and noting it’s only impacting like 20% of the population (yes, 20%, because you must exclude juveniles)….seems a bit weird by both definition and fact.
 
I agree it’s over
But I’m a bit startled by the SG and CDC using the the word pandemic and noting it’s only impacting like 20% of the population (yes, 20%, because you must exclude juveniles)….seems a bit weird by both definition and fact.
It’s even less than that.
 
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