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25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

You wrote that fluoride causes dementia or autism which is false till proven otherwise.

This is just as silly as saying the world was actually flat until it was proven otherwise. If it’s causing autism it’s causing autism whether someone comes up with definitive proof or not. There’s tons of scholarly articles when you search for autism and fluoride. No one has come out and said this is a bogus claim. There’s a ton of research that suggests it does. This isn’t inject yourself with bleach. This isn’t something anyone should just say is false. It’s something we should all want a definitive answer to.
 
@Merge. No one is denying your right to inject your and your loved ones with experimental technology.

Your comments about Bannon (once again) prove my initial point: your logic isn't driven by science as much as it is politics. Why interject politics (or religion) into what is a scientific debate.

Your assertion that he is sounding the alarm on mRNA technology because he "didn't get enough credit" is at best wild speculation and at worst slanderous. In any case, it's not only unscientific but it also continues to parrot the narrative pushed by mainstream news media.

Is it really that hard to perceive that a talented scientist who invented a radical experimental technology would have severe pangs of conscience and feel a moral responsibility to speak up when he sees how it is being utilized coercively?

This is my final comment to you. I've written sufficiently to expose your positioning as (frankly) political and poorly informed from a vaccine researchers/industry perspective. You haven't quoted any high quality scientific sources as much as random media reports from mainstream sources.

Again, you are free to pump your own body full of this stuff. You are free to hold your own political opinions. For other readers, who are sincerely seeking to assess both sides of the risk assessment for themselves and their families, see below Dr. Malone's quotes to Bannon:



Malone also told Bannon that he agrees with people who call inoculation with mRNA “gene-therapy.”

“It is gene therapy applied to vaccines,” he confirmed and added that he understood many people’s reluctance to take mRNA jabs.

“I respect their point of view,” Malone said.

“They have a right to be wary about a new technology that’s not well understood.”
 
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What are your thoughts on the adenovirus vaccine from Johnson & Johnson?

I didn't look as deeply into this because it was the first (along with the AstraZeneca vaccine) to lose momentum due to harmful side effects.

My personal experience (and also interest, given the scope of the technology) was more on the Moderna and mRNA topics.
 
Your comments about Bannon (once again) prove my initial point: your logic isn't driven by science as much as it is politics. Why interject politics (or religion) into what is a scientific debate.

Because Steve Bannon is gaslighting, and the only reason Malone is invited to his show isn't for the debate, it is to gaslight. That's it.

You discredited an article from Reuters in this thread without any consideration of what was actually in the article. That wasn't science based. You are looking for the scientists who agree with your intuition.

This is my final comment to you. I've written sufficiently to expose your positioning as (frankly) political and poorly informed from a vaccine researchers/industry perspective. You haven't quoted any high quality scientific sources as much as random media reports from mainstream sources.

I posted a three hour interview with Vincent Racaniello Professor in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Columbia University. I don't think I have cited any mainstream sources here.

I just showed you why some of the stuff you posted was wrong. Like the PCR test issue.
If we are to assume that the PCR tests are giving out a huge amount of false positives, we would see that show up in the seroprevalance studies. I didn't learn that from the mainstream media, I read the studies.

When you cite someone saying the mortality rate is 0.05%, I don't need media to tell me that is not correct. I just need math.

My opinions on the topic are driven by data.
Like when I posted in this thread that I would be watching Florida pediatric admissions after schools open there. I said we don't know yet if Delta is more dangerous to kids or not and noted the possibility that it just may work its way through the population more quickly but not be any more dangerous. So far that is what I believe will be the case. Florida students have now been back to school for four weeks. When schools opened there were about 50 pediatric Covid admissions per day which increase to about 70 for a couple days and is on the decline at under 50 for the past few days.

The data supports the idea that reopening schools normally is safe. That's not a partisan take driven by media. It is what I understand the data to show at this time.

Malone also told Bannon that he agrees with people who call inoculation with mRNA “gene-therapy.”

“It is gene therapy applied to vaccines,” he confirmed and added that he understood many people’s reluctance to take mRNA jabs.

But it's not gene therapy. Gene therapy has a specific definition and it can modify your DNA. These mRNA vaccines can not modify your DNA. They do not have the ingredients to access the nucleus.

That is a fact. Why is this scientist telling you false information (among several other clearly false statements) and why do you trust him at all?

“They have a right to be wary about a new technology that’s not well understood.”

Absolutely, I've never said no one should be warry. I don't care if you get vaccinated or not. Though Malone did receive an mRNA vaccine btw. That alone should tell you what he actually believes. He could have gone with J&J. He didn't have to choose an mRNA vaccine.

I just want people who are at risk of sever disease and death from Covid to actually understand they are at risk of sever disease and death... and I want them to get vaccinated. for their and their families sake
 
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I didn't look as deeply into this because it was the first (along with the AstraZeneca vaccine) to lose momentum due to harmful side effects.

My personal experience (and also interest, given the scope of the technology) was more on the Moderna and mRNA topics.

Thanks. If I ever did take one of these vaccines, it would be J&J (or Novavax, preferably, if it ever gets approved). I'd stay far away from mRNA. I'm interested to hear what my doctor has to say.
 
This is just as silly as saying the world was actually flat until it was proven otherwise. If it’s causing autism it’s causing autism whether someone comes up with definitive proof or not. There’s tons of scholarly articles when you search for autism and fluoride. No one has come out and said this is a bogus claim. There’s a ton of research that suggests it does. This isn’t inject yourself with bleach. This isn’t something anyone should just say is false. It’s something we should all want a definitive answer to.

Some random guy on a youtube video just told me shuhoopsfan is actually a flying pig. Even though there has been 70 plus year of investigations and research by the most trusted medical organization on the planet saying that he is in fact a human being, I will use your logic and believe the guy on youtube that you are a flying pig and likes to poop on people for fun.

For real people, what planet do some of you ppl live on? SMH
 
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Some random guy on a youtube video just told me shuhoopsfan is actually a flying pig. Even though there has been 70 plus year of investigations and research by the most trusted medical organization on the planet saying that he is in fact a human being, I will use your logic and believe the guy on youtube that you are a flying pig and likes to poop on people for fun.

For real people, what planet do some of you ppl live on? SMH
Is there scientific research being done that I’m a flying pig? Are there scholarly articles providing that information? What planet are you from making that comparison? Some guy off YouTube and real research are identical? SMH
 
Is there scientific research being done that I’m a flying pig? Are there scholarly articles providing that information? What planet are you from making that comparison? Some guy off YouTube and real research are identical? SMH
Yes the flying pig is the same claim at there being harmful affects caused by fluoride water. Both cases the evidence is not there.

What benefit would the CDC have to lie to the general public about there not being any credible evidence of harmful affects of the fluoride treatment after decades of research?

Is your research better than theirs?
 
Government agencies have demonstrated on many occasions that they are slow to act on drugs that show harmful effects over time…thalidomide, OxyContin?
 
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Government agencies have demonstrated on many occasions that they are slow to act on drugs that show harmful effects over time…thalidomide, OxyContin?
Of course we have the flying pig king of misinformation himself chiming in to mislead people. You forgot vioxx and tanning beds as an examples.

Slow to act is different than going out of your way to say "we have looked at this and there still is no credible evidence of harmful affects". You add the 7 decades of research I think I'll trust them over some random guy.
 
Yes the flying pig is the same claim at there being harmful affects caused by fluoride water. Both cases the evidence is not there.

What benefit would the CDC have to lie to the general public about there not being any credible evidence of harmful affects of the fluoride treatment after decades of research?

Is your research better than theirs?
I didn’t do any research. Professionals did. I just read what was posted. The government looks out for their benefit. That’s the game. How many politicians spent time making money in the Covid market as opposed to preparing the country for Covid. As to what benefit, the questions should be who makes money off putting fluoride in water? Who makes money on no fluoride in water?
 
Of course we have the flying pig king of misinformation himself chiming in to mislead people. You forgot vioxx and tanning beds as an examples.

Slow to act is different than going out of your way to say "we have looked at this and there still is no credible evidence of harmful affects". You add the 7 decades of research I think I'll trust them over some random guy.
Keep the blinders on…Fact; no one is perfect. Fact; we don’t know long term adverse reactions until we have data. I don’t believe that in absolutes. There are pros and cons to these decisions. I have respect people’s feelings individual rights and choices.
 
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The irony is -- and it really shows the extent of the actual logical component of such debates versus personal political preferences -- that many of the same folks who blindly trust Big Pharma on the rushed vaccines will turn around and insist that Big Pharma has conspired for decades to crush the cannabis industry. (And yet, somehow, the cannibis industry has exploded exactly at the same time as Big Pharma is living out it's golden age.)

Of course, the actual common variable is that the mainstream media and political establishments are aggressively pushing both Covid vaccines and cannabis on the general population.
 
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Government agencies have demonstrated on many occasions that they are slow to act on drugs that show harmful effects over time…thalidomide, OxyContin?

Nicotine in the 1960s, baby formula in the 1970s (especially in developing countries but also the US), Monsanto and Round Up, asbestos in buildings, looking the other way on toxic metals in baby food (newsflow from this morning), etc etc etc.

Nothing, however, matches thalidomide. Anyone who blindly trusts official guidance and who isn't familiar with that episode would do well to research what happened to an entire generation of pregnant women and their children.
 
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We have people that feel covid-19 virus is better for the public than fluoride in water…🤣
 
Nicotine in the 1960s, baby formula in the 1970s (especially in developing countries but also the US), Monsanto and Round Up, asbestos in buildings, looking the other way on toxic metals in baby food (newsflow from this morning), etc etc etc.

Nothing, however, matches thalidomide. Anyone who blindly trusts official guidance and who isn't familiar with that episode would do well to research what happened to an entire generation of pregnant women and their children.

In 5-10 years, there will be ads like this: "Did you take a covid-19 vaccine in 2021? If so, you may be eligible for compensation."
 
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In 5-10 years, there will be ads like this: "Did you take a covid-19 vaccine in 2021? If so, you may be eligible for compensation."

will probably be right after the commercials asking “did the my pillow guy convince you to get medicine from the pet store and you’re now sterile?”

 
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In 5-10 years, there will be ads like this: "Did you take a covid-19 vaccine in 2021? If so, you may be eligible for compensation."

I can easily see future Covid vaccine victims' groups going after public sector targets as well.
 
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How many people will die after their fifth or sixth mandated jab?
Probably more likely that you’ll see Moderna come out with another breakthrough treatment using mRNA that will go through the normal FDA cycle because it’ll be against something that isn’t as critical. They’ll be touted for creating another potent vaccine, then another… or do you think they’ll rest on their laurels because something that’s been in the works and has been effective will be their swan song?

My goodness, what if mRNA is the key to cancer. Can’t wait to see those who’d rather stick with cancer over putting something new in their bodies…

Guess we’ll see.
 
Moderna hadn't put a product to market ever before this. Funny how that works.
 
Moderna hadn't put a product to market ever before this. Funny how that works.

Because they believed in mRNA and went all in on it.

It took Tesla 6 years to produce their first car. Were you betting against them with their first release because it was new technology and they had never developed a car before? It took Moderna 10 years to develop their technology to be able to create a vaccine and it worked.
 
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Moderna hadn't put a product to market ever before this. Funny how that works.
What was Amazon’s product BEFORE they started selling books on the internet. Did Ford have a 1st car? What was Sony’s first product? Apple?

Funny how that works.

You're so myopic that you can’t fathom that maybe this is a breakthrough that could lead to future medical advancement. Stock market thinks so, would have been wise to buy Modena in January.
 
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Because they believed in mRNA and went all in on it.

It took Tesla 6 years to produce their first car. Were you betting against them with their first release because it was new technology and they had never developed a car before? It took Moderna 10 years to develop their technology to be able to create a vaccine and it worked.
Lol, beat me to that because my wife interrupted me mid-post.
 
Because Steve Bannon is gaslighting, and the only reason Malone is invited to his show isn't for the debate, it is to gaslight. That's it.

You discredited an article from Reuters in this thread without any consideration of what was actually in the article. That wasn't science based. You are looking for the scientists who agree with your intuition.



I posted a three hour interview with Vincent Racaniello Professor in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Columbia University. I don't think I have cited any mainstream sources here.

I just showed you why some of the stuff you posted was wrong. Like the PCR test issue.
If we are to assume that the PCR tests are giving out a huge amount of false positives, we would see that show up in the seroprevalance studies. I didn't learn that from the mainstream media, I read the studies.

When you cite someone saying the mortality rate is 0.05%, I don't need media to tell me that is not correct. I just need math.

My opinions on the topic are driven by data.
Like when I posted in this thread that I would be watching Florida pediatric admissions after schools open there. I said we don't know yet if Delta is more dangerous to kids or not and noted the possibility that it just may work its way through the population more quickly but not be any more dangerous. So far that is what I believe will be the case. Florida students have now been back to school for four weeks. When schools opened there were about 50 pediatric Covid admissions per day which increase to about 70 for a couple days and is on the decline at under 50 for the past few days.

The data supports the idea that reopening schools normally is safe. That's not a partisan take driven by media. It is what I understand the data to show at this time.



But it's not gene therapy. Gene therapy has a specific definition and it can modify your DNA. These mRNA vaccines can not modify your DNA. They do not have the ingredients to access the nucleus.

That is a fact. Why is this scientist telling you false information (among several other clearly false statements) and why do you trust him at all?



Absolutely, I've never said no one should be warry. I don't care if you get vaccinated or not. Though Malone did receive an mRNA vaccine btw. That alone should tell you what he actually believes. He could have gone with J&J. He didn't have to choose an mRNA vaccine.

I just want people who are at risk of sever disease and death from Covid to actually understand they are at risk of sever disease and death... and I want them to get vaccinated. for their and their families sake
I can’t believe you and others take this this seriously (some long posts here). It’s LOTS. But I do applaud peoples’ passion.
 
Because they believed in mRNA and went all in on it.

It took Tesla 6 years to produce their first car. Were you betting against them with their first release because it was new technology and they had never developed a car before? It took Moderna 10 years to develop their technology to be able to create a vaccine and it worked.
Agree that mRNA was a gamble as using traditional delivery methods would not have been able to provide the shear volume of vaccine necessary. But to be fair, there had been limited use/success with mRNA up until now (specifically in oncology...where a patient may not have many options). It is still a new delivery vehicle and one that we have rolled the dice on and fast tracking. In fact, even though Moderna was working on mRNA for years, they were running out of funding sources shortly before the pandemic and pivot to use the technology.
 
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Should have said trust getting a novel virus with uncertain consequences vs more than 70 years of research disproven false negative claims. Which seems to be true in your case.

clearly you didn’t read the link I posted. If you did you have no sense of humor based on the fact I linked a paper titled Do Not Swallow. But there’s a money trail. Until there’s real pressure like cigarettes it’s very easy for people to do funded research designed to get the desired conclusion the money behind the research wants. But yes Covid is a more immediate threat than fluoride. I’m not sure anyone would deny that.
 
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What was Amazon’s product BEFORE they started selling books on the internet. Did Ford have a 1st car? What was Sony’s first product? Apple?

Funny how that works.

You're so myopic that you can’t fathom that maybe this is a breakthrough that could lead to future medical advancement. Stock market thinks so, would have been wise to buy Modena in January.

Why was Stephane Bancel invited to the 2020 World Economic Forum? Head of a company that had never brought a product to market before. WEF sponsors Event 201 in late 2019, meets in Davos in January 2020. Suddenly two months later a novel virus strikes and Bancel's company just so happens to come up with a vaccine for it.

I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to something this major.
 
Why was Stephane Bancel invited to the 2020 World Economic Forum? Head of a company that had never brought a product to market before. WEF sponsors Event 201 in late 2019, meets in Davos in January 2020. Suddenly two months later a novel virus strikes and Bancel's company just so happens to come up with a vaccine for it.

I don't believe in coincidences when it comes to something this major.


Why would they invite the CEO of a company who is trying to revolutionize vaccine development to a table discussion about vaccine development?

Is that a serious question?
 
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Stop deflecting. That's not what it was about.

Yes, it was. He was invited to speak there for a discussion about the future of medicine.
He was there along with other CEO's as well.

 
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That was 2019. Although looking at the names on the list, it's the whole gang of covid criminals - Bancel, Gates, Tedros, etc.
 
Wait... You're talking about 2020? That's even worse!

You think it is off that the CEO of a company who was able to formulate a vaccine for Covid would be invited to speak on a panel discussion regarding the response for Covid? Seriously?

 
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