As someone with more than 3 feet of water destroying my first floor in Hoboken, you need to rethink your rhetoric or stfu
25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine
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I talked to my doctor friend tonight. He has been studying and he truly thinks the vaccines are starting to cause some variants. He let me know something "biblical" will happen in the next several months. My doctor friend told me the worst is yet to come.
Reuters is one of the least reliable and most agenda driven news services out there. If you familiarize yourself with its history and ownership structure, you may be able to understand.
The comments I was referencing come from the Nobel Laureate virologist himself, Luc Montagnier (2008 Nobel prize winner).
Add to this public statements of the founders of both the mRNA technology and the PCR tests and you will start to realise that the science behind the agenda is extremely shaky.
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Yes the Reuters article that you apparently did not read directly addressed Montagnier claims. Reuters consistently ranks as one of the least biased news sources with high levels of factual reporting per multiple websites that rate these things.
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Have you compared his comments to every other Nobel prize winner, or do you just want to find the one you agree with and ignore everyone else?
Citations please.
Hiring during the Delta variant pandemic! I remember when certain posters in here said the Delta variant wouldn't impact the economy. See below for and interesting article from AP!
I did a cross country trip with the family this summer and there wasn’t a single restaurant or hotel we were in across 18 states that wasn’t hiring and severely understaffed.
When unemployment is this low and you have so many jobs still not filled I don’t know how you can expect the hiring to continue at the levels of June and July when everything was ramping up again.
Trying to make any significant ties to covid on this information in the article is a stretch.
Why work when you can get a check for not doing anything or not killing someone ?
The hospitality industry may never recover from this. There are likely going to be high numbers of people they just pursue other careers. Plus high school and college kids less and less are pursuing jobs when they are home from school.
Yes the Reuters article that you apparently did not read directly addressed Montagnier claims. Reuters consistently ranks as one of the least biased news sources with high levels of factual reporting per multiple websites that rate these things.
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There was a very specific quote which was misattributed (along the lines of deaths related directly to vaccinations).
There was never any misattribution to his point about vaccinations causing variants — which actually seems to have been a fairly uncontroversial scientific concept until the politicization of the vaccine programs.
Citations: There is plenty of video and media of both of these floating online. Educate yourself if you wish; if not, I’m not terribly bothered to take the time to give you citations.
if you were sincerely interested in the truth rather winning on an online forum debate, you’d be able to find such citations rather quickly.
Nobel Prize winner I “agree with:” Isn’t the whole point here that the vaccines have not been tested properly and therefore they are not yet sufficiently proven to be safe? Therefore as long as there is a lack of consensus, it’s “my” (your term) position that’s actually on solid footing logically.
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Reuters consistently ranks as one of the least biased news sources with high levels of factual reporting per multiple websites that rate these things.
Reuters Media Bias Rating
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That one could post this with apparently authentic sincerity is an absolute tragedy for our democracy and society.
I am all for the truth. I have read plenty. I disagree with what you’re saying based on what I have read.
Simply asked for you to support what you’re saying. Didn’t think it was that big of a request.
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I’ve been doing that for weeks. Where were your ears then?
Actually I wanted to see if if you’re truly motivated to seek out truth and if you will spend the few minutes to search it out.
You aren’t motivate to seek truth, though. You are clearly an ideologue driven by a zeitgeist.
I could care less whether I influence ideologues. My motivation isn’t to win an internet debate with you or others, it is to to leave behind a seed which can be planted into the minds of someone else (who actually may be interested in seeking truth) and who happens to read some of these threads.
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Okay, great show some sources so we can be enlightened. I am all ears.
I just asked you to just link what you were talking about.
like when you reference comments from the founders of mRNA, can you be less vague there maybe? Who specifically are you talking about? What did they say? How can I spend a few minutes searching for something that vague?
I always discuss things in good faith here. If you’re not interested in a good faith discussion here with someone who may not share your exact view, that’s fine.
I think his point is that all journalists are biased (my guess)
I think it’s fair to say
your point is that they’re least biased
I think his counter is based on the concept that a murderer who kills one versus two is still a murderer
that’s my interpretation….
2 football fields of flag football
8 towns
kids spitting, hitting and pushing each other
fourth week of this
zero issues
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It was! But unfortunately I think its too soon. These were my still super spreaders with Delta in play.
Not quite. My point is obvious from the initial post: anyone who is properly informed on the history and ownership of Reuters would not be arguing the fact that it's very origin and mission is agenda driven.
If people are interested in learning more, they can feel free to go ahead and do their own inquiry. It:s certainly not my responsibility to educate anyone on a message board.
Ok, I will point you in the right direction and you can do your own homework.
1) The founder of mRNA technology is Robert Malone. Go research him and his views on coerced vaccination.
2) The PCR tests were invented by Kary Mullis (another Nobel Laureate). His statements including live video regarding the accuracy of the PCR tests are all over the internet.
I purposely allowed you and others to egg me on for a couple days to make a point: none of you have any real understanding of science (neither do I). My original post had enough information to dig out the names above and their public statements. You clearly weren't interested in scientific fact finding as much as political debate.
The reality is that you are merely parroting what you read in the mainstream media. You then parrot the narrative that the science concerning vaccines and testing is a settled consensus. The truth is that is intensely contested and fiercely controversial among the medical community itself.
The reason for this is simple: the vaccination narrative isnt driven by medicine, it's driven by politics.
You can add to the above a public intwrview with the doctor who wrote France's national vaccine policy: "Covid policy completely stupid and unethical." He also comments extensively on the dangers of mRNA technology.
"... in the history of infectious disease medicine, it has never happened that a state or politicians recommend systematic vaccinations for billions of people on the planet for a disease whose rate of mortality now is 0.05%. That’s a very low rate of mortality! And they’re making everybody afraid that there’s a new so-called “Delta variant” coming from India, but in fact all these variants are less and less virulent, and we now know that [with] this so-called “vaccine”, in the population that is inoculated at large, it is in these people that the variants emerge."
"... in the history of infectious disease medicine, it has never happened that a state or politicians recommend systematic vaccinations for billions of people on the planet for a disease whose rate of mortality now is 0.05%. That’s a very low rate of mortality! And they’re making everybody afraid that there’s a new so-called “Delta variant” coming from India, but in fact all these variants are less and less virulent, and we now know that [with] this so-called “vaccine”, in the population that is inoculated at large, it is in these people that the variants emerge."
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Some more quotes from the former French vaccine policy chief:
On mRNA:
"I am not anti-vaccine, because I wrote the vaccination policy for France for a great many years. But the problem is that the products they call “vaccines” for Covid-19 are not really vaccines. That’s my problem.
Maybe genetic modifiers; I don’t exactly know the proper term from a scientific point of view. But when you inject messenger RNA to produce a huge amount of a spike protein, a fragment of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you can’t control the process. And the problem is that in human cells, we know that RNA might go back to DNA.
Normally, it goes from DNA to RNA—this may be a little bit difficult for a general audience to understand—but it may go in the reverse direction, because we have in our chromosomes, in our genome, genes in our DNA originating from retroviruses, of animal origin centuries or millennia ago, and these can code for enzymes which can code in the reverse direction.
So we now know (it’s officially published), and now we find, in the human genome, sequences of DNA corresponding to the RNA of the virus. That’s proof that what I said in an open letter in December [2020], saying that it was dangerous to inject these products, has now been confirmed. And all the governments continue! To me, it’s a great mistake."
On variants and the unvaccinated:
"Exactly the reverse! Vaccinated people are at risk of the new variants. In transmission, it’s been proven now in several countries that vaccinated people should be put in quarantine and isolated from society. Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous to others. That’s been proven in Israel now, where I’m in contact with many physicians. They’re having big problems in Israel now: severe cases in hospitals are among vaccinated people. And in the UK also, you had a larger vaccination programme and there are problems [there] also.
But also, the “variants” are not very dangerous. All the “variants” since last year are less and less virulent. That’s always the story in infectious diseases. In my hospital, in March-April 2020, the whole building was full of people with Covid-19: fifty patients. And the so-called "second”, “third”, “fourth waves” were just very small waves, because the hospitals are not full any more. But in the media, they said that all the hospitals were full of patients. That’s not true. Of course, the epidemic was going on, but the “variants” were less and less virulent."
On the unreliability of PCR tests:
"We cannot really rely on the statistics in many countries, because with PCR tests, which amplify the RNA of the virus when you have small fragments from this swab that you put in the nose, PCR tests are much more amplified, and so we have many, many false positive results.
Now, from August 2020 [until] now, most of the so-called “positive cases” are false positive cases. So they invented the so-called “second wave”, “third wave”. Of course, the epidemic was not over; there were also new cases, and unfortunately people who died. I agree about that. But now, the numbers are not reliable."
So if this post was by merge someone like knees would respond microphone drop or some dumb shit like that
there are no mic drops with these things
it’s a discussion/debate and why I get infuriated at those whose only way of life is: my opinion must always be right
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Less virulent? Delta has 2x hospitalization
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PCR tests producting false positives....
So, you're saying the mortality rate is actually higher since less actually have it?
Vaccine changes your DNA?
What kind of hot garbage is this.
Less virulent? Delta has 2x hospitalization
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Overview
COVID-19 is a new type of coronavirus that causes mild to severe cases. Here’s a quick guide on how to spot symptoms, risk factors, prevent spread of the disease, and find out what to do if you think you have it.
PCR tests producting false positives....
So, you're saying the mortality rate is actually higher since less actually have it?
Vaccine changes your DNA?
What kind of hot garbage is this.
"Garbage?" Do you really have the ability to pronounce such a judgement? Are you a medical expert? What are your qualifications?
Are you the medical doctor who devised France's national vaccine policy, as Christophe Perrone? Did you win a Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR test, as Kary Mullis? Did you invent mRNA, like Robert Malone?
And these are far from the only medical experts speaking along these lines. There is,for example, Peter McCullough (professor at Texas A&M Medical School) who has written something like 50 peer reviewed journal articles on COVID. And others.
The bottom line is this: there are two lines of thinking here.
1) Political, ideological line of thinking: "The science is settled and certain; everyone should be vaccinated." This is patently false. The science is quite obviously not settled and it is very uncertain.
2) Practical, fact driven line of thinking: "Hold on, why are we rushing into something so large scale and extreme without properly waiting for the science to actually responsibly understand the side effects and implications of what is undeniably an unprecedented state driven medical intervention."
You can feel free to get as many jabs as you like. That's your own business. The issue is when the state (under spurious medical logic) imposes such choices on its citizens.
Minority expert opinions taken out of context. All have been largely debunked by expert consensus.
Seems like you are the political one here using a bit of this and a bit of that to fit your narrative and go against the expert consensus.
And then many of the kids and families get together, indoors, on those same weekends to socialize, like most anyone else would. Without masks.
And then our kids are back in school on Monday with them.
This has been going on in my town since the spring, if not before for some.
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