Another Texas school shooting

[SHUSA]

a big one. elementary school. so sad, this world really sucks lately. my heart goes out to the families, students, teachers.

19 children, 2 teachers killed in Texas elementary school shooting

An 18-year-old suspect was fatally wounded by law enforcement officers, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Sickening and nothing will change. Send the kids to school, cross your fingers they come home.

 

[SoOrange84]

I’m sure this will lead to common sense gun reform.

 

[sami]

I’m sure this will lead to common sense gun reform.

Nope. Just thoughts and prayers.

 

[HALL85]

We have a serious mental health issue in this country. No one seems to want to address it.

 

[cernjSHU]

We have a serious mental health issue in this country. No one seems to want to address it.

Yes, the question is how?

 

[Hallsome]

Yes, the question is how?

Certainly not a complete answer by me but one thing that comes to mind is social media contributes to mental health

so sad

prayers

 

[HALL85]

Yes, the question is how?

The first step is to acknowledge it and stop politicizing every shooting.

 

[shu09]

Cue the politicians who will use this to divide people even more by railing against the second amendment.

This isn't a fixable problem by policy methods. This is a societal problem - too many wackos roaming the streets. It'll take decades to change and it starts with parenting. Too many people are raised with no discipline and no respect for others. A few of them go off the rails and do stuff like this.

 

[SHUSA]

We have a serious mental health issue in this country. No one seems to want to address it.

can it really be "addressed"? whats the solution? theres 100x more demand for therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists than there are actual doctors to fill it. the world is essentially hopeless to many people. millennials and younger no longer see the point to save for the future. dont want to bring kids into the future. pandemics, recessions, political discourse increasing everyday. A sense of the bad guys winning, and voting isnt helping. The rich get richer and increasingly more powerful. Essentially, maybe the world isnt a great place to be.

how do you fix that?

 

[SHUSA]

The first step is to acknowledge it and stop politicizing every shooting.

that will help teenagers mental health?

 

[SHUSA]

Cue the politicians who will use this to divide people even more by railing against the second amendment.

This isn't a fixable problem by policy methods. This is a societal problem - too many wackos roaming the streets. It'll take decades to change and it starts with parenting. Too many people are raised with no discipline and no respect for others. A few of them go off the rails and do stuff like this.

if negligent and untenable parenting situations are a cause of this, get ready for it to get worse if roe v wade gets pulled. going to cause a lot more situations you just mentioned.

 

[HALL85]

can it really be "addressed"? whats the solution? theres 100x more demand for therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists than there are actual doctors to fill it. the world is essentially hopeless to many people. millennials and younger no longer see the point to save for the future. dont want to bring kids into the future. pandemics, recessions, political discourse increasing everyday. A sense of the bad guys winning, and voting isnt helping. The rich get richer and increasingly more powerful. Essentially, maybe the world isnt a great place to be.

how do you fix that?

If you don’t think it can be addressed than you’ve given up.

it starts with leadership and as long as we keep rewarding the idiots in charge, it will take that much longer.

 

[HALL85]

that will help teenagers mental health?

Yes

 

[shu09]

Obama and Biden already out with statements politicizing the issue. Talking points must be out. Just sickening.

 

[SHUSA]

If you don’t think it can be addressed than you’ve given up.

it starts with leadership and as long as we keep rewarding the idiots in charge, it will take that much longer.

i think a lot more of the population has given up than you think. or is getting to a point thats hard to come back from.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

We have a serious mental health issue in this country. No one seems to want to address it.

Maybe, but so does every other country. The USA has far and away the most shootings, the simple answer is guns are prevalent and easily accessible.

Unless mental health is only a USA thing.

 

[SHUSA]

Yes

are they really following politicians?

 

[shu09]

Maybe, but so does every other country. The USA has far and away the most shootings, the simple answer is guns are prevalent and easily accessible.

Unless mental health is only a USA thing.

That's the low hanging fruit, but it isn't the reason. Criminals don't follow laws.

This issue is way more complicated than the degree of availability of guns.

 

[SHUSA]

That's the low hanging fruit, but it isn't the reason. Criminals don't follow laws.

This issue is way more complicated than the degree of availability of guns.

it isnt the reason? youre basically saying there isnt one simple reason. so its odd to phrase it all like that.

is it one of the reasons? i dont see how anyone could possibly exclude it from consideration. given the correlation to our gun policies/gun related violence. its pretty telling if people are trying to deflect away from that being a legitimate reason.

 

[SoOrange84]

It is all about the easy access to guns.

Is it a “mental health issue” when it comes to the numerous murders we hear about everyday in this country?

 

[shu09]

Correct, no one simple reason.

 

[shu09]

It is all about the easy access to guns.

Is it a “mental health issue” when it comes to the numerous murders we hear about everyday in this country?

Most of them, yes. If you're murdering someone, you're pretty nuts.

 

[HALL85]

Maybe, but so does every other country. The USA has far and away the most shootings, the simple answer is guns are prevalent and easily accessible.

Unless mental health is only a USA thing.

1-We can start by enforcing the laws we have.
2-Mental health isn’t a US thing. How are we dealing with the symptoms and treatments versus other countries?

 

[SHUSA]

1-We can start by enforcing the laws we have.
2-Mental health isn’t a US thing. How are we dealing with the symptoms and treatments versus other countries?

does this come down to a healthcare issue? even wiht insurance plans its a high cost to deal with mental health per year.

 

[SHUSA]

btw is pushing gun reform after the 100th mass shooting politicizing things, or just common sense?

 

[HALL85]

btw is pushing gun reform after the 100th mass shooting politicizing things, or just common sense?

When its the only reason given, it’s politicized.

 

[Pirata]

This was pure evil.

Calling this person a criminal is a technicality.

He was completely compromised mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

If you dissect each of those aspects against the act of pointing a gun at and shooting an unarmed 7-year-old you can only conclude total absence of all three and then some.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

When its the only reason given, it’s politicized.

But its a massive part of the problem. We can and should tackle the guns and the mental aspect. Until people are honest and admit that than nothing will change.

How about the following:
- Raise age to 21 in order to buy a gun(Young men are shooting up schools. Its not adults doing these school shootings)
- Mandatory classes in order to buy certain class of firearm (think CDL, realtor, etc.)

While there will always be illegal ways to get them as well, we can make it harder legally. If you're a responsible gun owner I dont see why these would be a problem.

 

[shu09]

But its a massive part of the problem. We can and should tackle the guns and the mental aspect. Until people are honest and admit that than nothing will change.

How about the following:
- Raise age to 21 in order to buy a gun(Young men are shooting up schools. Its not adults doing these school shootings)
- Mandatory classes in order to buy certain class of firearm (think CDL, realtor, etc.)

While there will always be illegal ways to get them as well, we can make it harder legally. If you're a responsible gun owner I dont see why these would be a problem.

Common sense stuff makes sense. The problem is, one group of politicians wants to tear up the second amendment and not allow any person to own a gun. That can never he allowed to happen. These same folks use tragedies such as this and their friends in mass media to ram their agenda down our throats. They don't care about children, gun owners or anyone else. They only care about siphoning votes and maintaining their power.

 

[SPK145]

Really need an all of the above type approach to guns but too many just want one-sided solutions. Can have tougher background procedures, classes before gun ownership, red flag laws that protect due process, maintain access to firearms, and respect 2A rights.

 

[SHUSA]

When its the only reason given, it’s politicized.

even when its a large peice of the pie. we should just ignore it i guess??

 

[Merge]

Really need an all of the above type approach to guns but too many just want one-sided solutions. Can have tougher background procedures, classes before gun ownership, red flag laws that protect due process, maintain access to firearms, and respect 2A rights.

Exactly, but then we have one side that goes on with the fearmongoring nonsense that makes people believe that the other side wants to “rip up the second amendment and not allow any person to own a gun”… and nothing ever changes.

 

[SPK145]

Exactly, but then we have one side that goes on with the fearmongoring nonsense that makes people believe that the other side wants to “rip up the second amendment and not allow any person to own a gun”… and nothing ever changes.

And the other side equally fearmongers that doing exactly what they say and only what they say will eliminate this.

Can’t believe those “Gun Free Zone” signs didn’t work here.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Really need an all of the above type approach to guns but too many just want one-sided solutions. Can have tougher background procedures, classes before gun ownership, red flag laws that protect due process, maintain access to firearms, and respect 2A rights.

Exactly. I hope everyone is calling their representarive today demanding this. Im sick of seeing kids murdered!

Enough is enough!

 

[SHUSA]

 

[HALL85]

But its a massive part of the problem. We can and should tackle the guns and the mental aspect. Until people are honest and admit that than nothing will change.

How about the following:
- Raise age to 21 in order to buy a gun(Young men are shooting up schools. Its not adults doing these school shootings)
- Mandatory classes in order to buy certain class of firearm (think CDL, realtor, etc.)

While there will always be illegal ways to get them as well, we can make it harder legally. If you're a responsible gun owner I dont see why these would be a problem.

Totally on board with this. Mandatory education and age limits on specific guns make good sense and we have discussed this hear before - with gun owners agreeing.

We also need to strengthen the laws and penalties for illegal gun ownership.

We should tackle this as a comprehensive problem that includes gun ownership, mental health, enforcing laws/penalties, etc.

 

[cernjSHU]

There are many issues. The mass shootings normally are people who have mental health issues. But criminals may or may not have such issues. Just easy access to guns. We need a national data base that tracks every gun and the transfer of each gun. Whoever does not report the transfer of the gun, and that gun is used in a commission of a crime, then the last registered gun owner is criminally and civilly. responsible. So from Gun manufacturer, to dealer to retail purchaser, the chain should never be broke.

 

[HALL85]

To ignore the root causes of the evil acts is also irresponsible. We always say follow the science. The question is always also what is different about the U.S.. Why do these people feel socially disengaged and not care about human life especially their own? Why not find the common threads of these assassins' and deal with them as a society? Here is something that is dramatically different. Family connection is certainly not the only root cause, but if we are honest, we would assess and acknowledge that it's probably a contributing factor. Young kids that are disconnected, with social media filling that gap with easy access to a weapon is a bad formula.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...other-countries-to-live-with-just-one-parent/

 

[SPK145]

There are so many other reasons why this happens. Like mental health issues, and cultural/political rancor like Hollywood and rap glorifying gun violence and politicians/citizens vilifying the other side.