Weapons on the streets are due to laxed southern state laws like Virginia. Criminals from NY and NJ go purchase guns in the south where it is easy to get one unlike NJ and NY. This patchwork of state laws are useless. NJ and NY can have strict gun laws. But unless the other states jump on board, these areas are going to have plenty of access to weapons. Another reason for a federal database that tracks all firearms.
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All I was saying is it needs to be addressed and this matters equally as much as assualt weapons. Some obviously don't seem to care about it.
can you explain all? was it 20+ people?
took that long for that defense? well is going dry. and if you read my first post, they are trying to deal with these too.
just another sad and disappointing spin away from admitting that maybe guns might be part of the problem.
Guns are part of the problem. However how many crimes don't happen because people have guns. How many criminals case a home and choose to stay away because the homeowner has a gun. Yes there are faults to guns, but they also do protect people. Heck why do republicans and democrats have bodyguards with guns. Should we be concerned those people go crazy one day and take out a few members of congress?? Maybe we should take away the bodyguards guns just to make sure that doesn't happen.
How can we honestly expect to get anything done concerning banning assault weapons or meaningful gun control laws when the Republican Party is like this? A Republican Congressman who said he would back a ban on assault weapons has dropped out of the race due to the backlash from those in his own party. WTF is wrong with people.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-congressman-quits-race-backlash-211606615.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-congressman-quits-race-backlash-211606615.html
Did I ever say guns are not part of the problem? No, I didn’t.
You can’t have guns in the hands of the wrong people. Raising the age limit on assault weapons makes good sense. You must have misers that, like a lot of other things.
Yes, a little more than 20…
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-violence-us-teens-children-deaths-2021/
Both teams play the same game. You think a pro life democrat wouldn’t face the same backlash? Cuellar has faced serious backlash and I doubt he’d have a chance if he was running today considering where the issue is now.
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No. There is a pro-life Congressman in Texas. He wasn’t forced to resign or didn’t have the support of the party.
Curious what any other democrats chances of winning are where he is? You think dems want to give up a seat in Texas
were talking about shootings. not littering. 100% of shootings have guns. go from there
And 100% of stabbings have knives. And a 100% of crushed skulls involve blunt objects….we can go from there.
Are you suggesting confiscation of the 300 million plus guns?
how many mass stabbings do you know about?? any mass skull crushings?? lemme guess you know an inca warrior, golfed with him yesterday. lmao. so connected. ha
100% of shootings are not bad. What happens to the woman who shoots or pulls a gun on someone who attempts to rape her or mug her? She just takes it?
Since you asked…
https://www.newsweek.com/country-focuses-guns-multiple-people-stabbed-medical-facility-1712783
And that was a pathetic deflection…showed you proof that you ignored because you’re wrong…too funny
And you didn’t answer my question. Would you confiscate all guns?
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/04/gun-control-nra-red-flag-laws
14 million first time legal gun owners since beginning of the pandemics…largest spike in Latino, Black and Asian-American purchasers.
14 million first time legal gun owners since beginning of the pandemics…largest spike in Latino, Black and Asian-American purchasers.
Would you have an issue with all firearms being registered in a federal registry if owner information and ballistics identifiers stored in a database? What about if you transfer it and it is not registered in the database if that gun is used in a crime, that person is subject to significant jail time and civil liability? All guns must be registered within 3-5 year period. Failure to do so is also subject to criminal penalties.
Why would any legal gun owner object to that? It really is only attacking the illegal guns.
That only works, if you also severely punish the people that use the gun and the commission of the crime. Do you support stricter penalties, mandatory jail time, and the elimination of these idiotic bail reform policies?
I gave you what the penalties are for in NJ for possession and use of gun in a crime in a previous post. We have mandatory jail time where a defendant must serve 85% of his sentence. Aggravated assault is 5-10 years, attempted murder, Robbery is 10-20 years with 85% of that time in jail before being elegible for release. That’s severe penalties. That’s not an issue. Bail reform is pre- trial problem which I am very against. This is a big contributor in the increase of crime. So it looks we are in agreement. Now too bad what the citizens would want won’t be done in Congress.
If I can ask, what’s the conviction rate? How many are plea bargained? How many serve their full terms? Thanks for sharing the NJ laws.
I need to look at PA and NY. 500+ gun homicides in Philly last year alone. I’d like to know how many are open cases and why.
No why do you think these criminals don’t care about the consequences?
Plea bargains are not a bad thing. Without plea bargains, the whole system would collapse. 90% of cases are disposed of by plea or something other than trial. Conviction rates vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
As far as criminal cases goes, one of the biggest issues is that people in the community do not go to the police with information. Snitches get stitches This is a huge factor with solving crimes. It’s not easy solving cases. We may know who did it but don’t have proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Why people commit crimes is out of my area of expertise. I can give you factors like poverty and greed. But why someone chooses a life of crime is beyond me.
Based on what you say, it sounds to me that because snitches get stitches the whole system may have collapsed already. Just curious how many cases are we solving, 30%? 90%? If it's 30 that's a real problem. How do we find ways to get people to go to police with information so the system can work or how do we come up with a better system?
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I think that’s the issue….if a criminal is likely to never get caught (lack of police resources or revolving bail door), I can understand why no one speaks up.
Can you plea bargain on a gun crime?
Back to the gun ownership…if 99.99% of AR-15 owners bought them legitimately, own them for the purposes we discussed and use them completely lawfully, doesn’t seem fair to restrict or confiscate. I do believe though their should be age limitations on certain weapons.
If they follow through with that logic, they should ban alcohol because drunk drivers kill a lot of people. So what most people don't make the decision to get behind the wheel in that state. Could really reduce the annual drunk driving deaths by eliminating alcohol. I'm sure SHUSA would note, alcohol is used in 100% of drunk driving deaths. Get rid of it.
Well there is no legitimate use for an Assault weapons. Ur analogies are way off comparing it to alcohol. Assault weapons are to kill people. Btw, this country did try to ban alcohol. Didn’t go so well
That’s where you’re wrong. There are legitimate uses, which virtually all of their owners have them for an comply.
No I am not. It’s not for hunting animals. It’s not a good choice for self defense. There are no legit uses. Even the made up uses like self defense and hunting, there are better alternatives.
This is a weapon designed to kill humans and inflict maximum carnage. I don’t see how this is a defensible position.
No good reason for Republicans to oppose assault weapons ban in general and nobody should object to under 21 ban if they oppose total ban.
The let’s raise the age three years to purchase is like doing nothing at all. That’s a joke.
Really? 70% of school shootings in the last 30 years were committed by kids 18 or under. Is that funny?
Another mass shooting, now Philadelphia.
Never any other violence there so this must be a shocker
And you keep acting like an assault weapon is needed by someone other than police or military. A complete ban is what is needed.
Why did you limit your stat to school shootings? Was it To justify age as like something that was a great step? Clearly lately mass shootings have been younger but not the last thirty years.
A Disturbing New Pattern in Mass Shootings: Young Assailants
Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger, a shift from earlier decades.
You can’t keep throwing a tantrum and disregard the legitimate reasons own them (home/property defense, range shooting/marksmanship, collecting, etc.). Are you suggesting banning to the point of confiscation?And you keep acting like an assault weapon is needed by someone other than police or military. A complete ban is what is needed.
Why did you limit your stat to school shootings? Was it To justify age as like something that was a great step? Clearly lately mass shootings have been younger but not the last thirty years.
A Disturbing New Pattern in Mass Shootings: Young Assailants
Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger, a shift from earlier decades.www.nytimes.com
You disregard age as being a “joke” and I gave you hard evidence to the contrary. Please post an article that isn’t behind a firewall.
First off my entire comment was facetious.
Just curious what makes you think banning these weapons will go over better than banning alcohol. People revolt when you take things away from them. Take away marijuana after it’s legal will have the same backlash as alcohol, and so will these weapons, and so will abortions. Americans don’t like things taken away from them.
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Here in lies the problem, sometimes taking baby steps is better than taking no steps at all. I’ve called for a min. Age of 25 and up but would take 21. Nothing never gets done with the all or nothing argument. Have to agree next on stricter control when mental health issues exist.
I actually think there are certain issues that many politicians don’t want to solve because if they did they wouldn’t have anything to argue about. (Gun violence, immigration, etc.)
This sums up the article. “Six of the nine deadliest mass shootings in the United States since 2018 were by people who were 21 or younger, representing a shift for mass casualty shootings, which before 2000 were most often initiated by men in their mid-20s, 30s and 40s… Only two of the 30 deadliest mass shootings recorded from 1949 to 2017 involved gunmen younger than 21: The first was the massacre of 13 people by two teenagers at Columbine High School in 1999, and the second came when a 20-year-old killed 27 people, most of them children, at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., in 2012.”
You want to believe those made up uses are legitimate and we all know in reality that is all a crock of shit. How many hunters do you know use an assault weapon to hunt?
Home defense? The use of a gun is far more effective than an assault weapon. It’s made up arguments from the NRA to. Make people believe there are legitimate uses.
I get it that it may be fun to shoot. But that’s not a good reason for ownership. And a total ban should be a turnover of owned assault weapons. Otherwise, they will get transfered and sold and sold into the wrong hands. There is a greater good here for the country. The weapon is far too dangerous. And even if you believe that it has some borderline legitimate uses, it is substantially outweighed by the carnage from its use.
I can even understand carveouts for legitimate ownership. Ie. A rancher with a 100 acre farm land protecting crops or livestock. Maybe there can be legitimate uses that I can understand. But that would be very limited.
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You ignored my points yet again. Never mentioned hunting…you did. You think the other reasons are a “crock”…very scientific. All legitimate reasons, you don’t want to acknowledge.
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