April recruiting tweets
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And of course there is no culpability with any of the coaches....
"It's disgraceful" says a coach who actually has to work a little bit harder for his $3 million a year.
Only coaches should be able to cash in on this humongous multimillion-dollar cash cow, or move around at will with impunity.
Only coaches should be able to cash in on this humongous multimillion-dollar cash cow, or move around at will with impunity.
Coaches are overpaid, but they certainly should be able to make money and change jobs within the terms of their contracts. They are professionals, just like you and me in our jobs. We are able to change jobs, so are they.
Players are not professionals, they are students at universities. At least that's the way it should be - obviously the trend is going quickly against that and that'll be the end of college basketball.
But they are professionals - they earn money (now) in exchange for the labor they provide universities (that's another story!), enabling these institutions to make millions and millions of dollars per year (and pay coaches those unjustifiably bloated salaries). They money they generate far exceeds the relative pittance they are given in tuition and boarding remission, while the business model completely kneecaps their ability to prosper fully as actual students -- the ones who want to be, anyway. The compromises they have to make on the academic side are ridiculous. Let's stop pretending players are enrolled to be students. That is an opt-in possibility for them, but the business of the sport(s) makes it as difficult as can be.
Best case scenario is to completely uncouple professional sports leagues from universities, but until that happens, the ones providing the most valuable labor should be compensated ... and not by fans and alumni, either.
I also think the time allocated to coach and recruit players plus give interviews and quotes, etc. is quite a lot.
I really think power 6 conference coaches have long days and nights. Include travel for recruits and games and all and it’s a pretty full life investment.
It's a tough job and extremely time-consuming, but they are extremely well-paid. If they are unable to strike a healthy work-life balance, they can always go sell cars or insurance, but none seem to ever make that move.
They do not provide labor. By your definition, high school basketball players also provide labor - it's nonsense. Players are provided scholarships, which make it easier for them to play basketball while pursuing their studies.
If they provide labor (in your mind), why aren't they provided with W-2's? That needs to change if we're saying they're workers. The scholarships also need to go too then, as they are not students in that case.
For all payments exceeding the $600 transaction limit, the independent contractors ( college student-athletes) will be getting 1099s
They are to report such income and file taxes. Not sure how that doesn’t make them workers
We don't have to agree philosophically on what all of this means, but to deny that College Basketball, Inc., isn't a multimillion-dollar business, one one to which the players are the essential employees, just isn't realistic. They bring the value that allows leagues and universities to reap untold millions and are worth far more, both individually or as a collective, then their replacements would be. If the NBA ever figured out a robust minor league system, College Basketball, Inc., would be over tomorrow. But why would they when they already have a professional minor league in place that doesn't cost them a cent?
Which, of course, raises the question of why do universities bankroll this instead? But the bottom line is that they do, because they see value in it, and that's why the race is so hot to hire the best employees -- the players. There is no way to monetize high school basketball (except in the rarest cases), so those kids aren't providing labor; they're just playing a game. There's no widespread business to speak of (though the IMG Academies and other pop-up basketball "schools" show the trend moving toward it).
The current employees of College Basketball, Inc., do have to file taxes on their income. Right now, I understand they are independent contractors issued 1099s, but this is only until they are officially recognized as university employees and file as such. That is likely inevitable, as much as universities will fight it. I think they love the current model of fans/alumni footing the payroll, but it's unsustainable. Whatever the outcome, the days of these players trading their labor for mere exposure or scholarship money (which is of no value to top players) is done. And that is to my original point about millionaire coaches whining about players with the freedom to move from employer to employer as they wish, which is what most people in the workforce are able to do, assuming they have the leverage. These kids do, and should.
let's just call college sports what they are now....professional sports.
Will Senior Nights be a thing anymore? What's the point?
Is there another example of such great amounts of money being made on the backs of amateur athletes?
I got paid for the work I did when in college, and was on a half scholarship.
Coaches salaries skyrocketed cause the money generated by the amateurs created a bidding war. Schools were flush with the dough and threw it around. While a BE coach in 82 maybe made more from his Nike contracts, he now makes 4 mill. If you told him he was gonna make a mill coaching college hoops in 82 he would has signed a lifetime contract in a second. But we refused to compensate the players fairly. So the coaches got obesely paid. Riidiculous facilities were built to entice recruits. So now the new revenue is spent. And of course the players got paid illegally. NCAA ignored it as we know they would. And now we have this idiotic mess. IMO it is we fans fault as much as any cause we would not have sided with paying the players imo. Giving them their fair share of the game and media rights.
So the $50K+ scholarship, free exposure, free meals, free housing, access to premier facilities, etc. isn't enough, huh? You guys are nuts.
1982 was 41 years ago. Of course salaries have increased since then.
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!! Not close to enough. Not when they generate the amount of money they generate. That is what the chemstry student gets. And no one pays to watch him in class or on TV. That is the so frigging obvious difference. Mens high D1 BB and FB are different, And some women's BB too. They generate a huge revenue stream.
And, no one in their right mind thinks college hoops coaches salary increases are simply a matter of inflation over time.
Got it, not enough. Again, people who think like that are nuts. Absolutely nuts.
Yet many people are saying they are exactly that. You can't have it both ways. You can't pay them, give them W-2's or 1099s, and give them a scholarship at the same time. Pick one or the other. Most people these days seem to want to pick the former, which is sad.
Have to imagine that booing paid employees/players will become common place in the college game. Can these kids handle the attacks that come from money. How many kids never live up to their expectations? Lots and those expectations will be higher when money is involved. There was no patience from fans when freshman made mistakes. The stakes are going to be higher. No one is even mentioning the ramifications for paid college players. I see lots of nightmares ahead for these young players. Money equals pressure.
We better all hope we get Posh, Wusu, Ousmane.
Everyone else we seem to be in contact with list us and a bunch of weak mid majors or low major schools.
Everyone else we seem to be in contact with list us and a bunch of weak mid majors or low major schools.
Some of these lists we’re on are embarrassing. Sorry. Our administration is weak and setting us back because they are afraid to do what every other school has been doing for quite some time. How long will Sha stick around if they don't get their act together quickly?
R-E-L-A-X.
Everyone’s freaking out as if they have access to more than rumors. We know very little in the grand scheme of things. Stop freaking out.
We’re talking about a coach who beat Kentucky and Purdue with a team whose highest recruit was ranked #522 in HS. Not a single other player was even a 1 star, per 247sports.
I, for one, have faith in the dude. It’s so early.
Everyone’s freaking out as if they have access to more than rumors. We know very little in the grand scheme of things. Stop freaking out.
We’re talking about a coach who beat Kentucky and Purdue with a team whose highest recruit was ranked #522 in HS. Not a single other player was even a 1 star, per 247sports.
I, for one, have faith in the dude. It’s so early.
When you see lists from players offering a group of many lower level D1 teams sprinkled in with maybe a major or two know that there's less than a small chance said major is really involved with the player.
They might have put out a feeler but rarely a serious one. Don't read into something that's not there.
They might have put out a feeler but rarely a serious one. Don't read into something that's not there.
Yes!!!!!! Seriously!!
A whole bunch of y’all are acting like starry eyed teenage girls waiting for a phone call from a boy they like!
Does everyone see what else is going on at Michigan and North Carolina!!
Even blue bloods are feeling the sting of the current NIL situation.
PATIENCE is key.
But this age of instant gratification, I can see how crazy people can get.
For Gods sakes, people can’t just chill and watch a baseball game and they had to install a pitch clock!!
need kids who focus on the ultimate not the immediate. Hope Sha is using mamu as a case study early and often in playing the college long game!!
