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Another well thought out plan. If I own a company with 500 employees that are primarily working remote and dispersed across the country, it’s mandated; vs a 50 person company with everyone in the same building.

Wasn’t he the President that claimed he was going to manage this pandemic better than Trump? The great unifier….smh
 
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HALL85 said:
https://www.axios.com/biden-executi...nes-4ba564a0-9498-43ef-bef8-f59f36e61418.html

Another well thought out plan. If I own a company with 500 employees that are primarily working remote and dispersed across the country, it’s mandated; vs a 50 person company with everyone in the same building.

Wasn’t he the President that claimed he was going to manage this pandemic better than Trump? The great unifier….smh
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What does everyone on the board think about these mandates? I was told I was an "idiot" for predicting this months ago.

@Merge quoted me when I said this and just said "Nope this won't happen". However here we are. Yes the president has mandated vaccines for most Americans now.
 
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Also wasn't Biden supposed to handle the pandemic better than Trump? He's doing worse than Trump now. What a mess.
 
He just sabotaged 2022 and 2024 for the libs....any state that swung blue in 2020 will swing right back
 
Just got back from Michael Buble concert at PPL Center. Required vaccination to enter but they weren’t enforcing. Less than 5% wearing masks. Great concert BTW.
 
HALL85 said:
https://www.axios.com/biden-executi...nes-4ba564a0-9498-43ef-bef8-f59f36e61418.html

Another well thought out plan. If I own a company with 500 employees that are primarily working remote and dispersed across the country, it’s mandated; vs a 50 person company with everyone in the same building.
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The 500 remote is an interesting scenario. In essence, he is using your company structure as an enforcer. If these same 500 were not employed, how would they enforce it?

Take away your driver's license? Fine you? Lock you up?
 
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All of those vaccines have been proven safe over decades.
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This is the crux of the vaccine debate. It's really astounding how many have a blind spot to this reasoning.

If yesterday's bizarre messaging from the White House didn't set off alarm bells for folks, I'm not sure what else will.
 
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Pirata said:
No, you were told you are an idiot because you are an idiot.
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I don't agree with or even grasp his style...but he is been by far the most accurate prognosticater of anyone on this board. And it's been remarkably consistent.

Perhaps he is a bit nuts (I don't know) but maybe given our present leadership it takes one to know one.
 
SHUMA04 said:
This is the crux of the vaccine debate. It's really astounding how many have a blind spot to this reasoning.
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Because the newness of it really isn't relevant once the data is reviewed and the FDA has determined it to be safe.

If Covid was killing 5% of the kids that got it, it would have been mandated for everyone months ago. Would it be ideal? No. Would we want more data to understand long term effects? Absolutely!

The question isn't should we mandate a vaccine for a virus, it is should we mandate a vaccine for THIS virus.
In my opinion, we don't need to and a mandate is wrong.
 
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SHUMA04 said:
I don't agree with or even grasp his style...but he is been by far the most accurate prognosticater of anyone on this board. And it's been remarkably consistent.

Perhaps he is a bit nuts (I don't know) but maybe given our present leadership it takes one to know one.
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Accurate? He just posts and posts, and is wrong all the time. He also disappears/lays low when numbers are improving and pops back up when we have surges. And always general, like things will be bad.
 
Merge said:
Because the newness of it really isn't relevant once the data is reviewed and the FDA has determined it to be safe.

If Covid was killing 5% of the kids that got it, it would have been mandated for everyone months ago. Would it be ideal? No. Would we want more data to understand long term effects? Absolutely!

The question isn't should we mandate a vaccine for a virus, it is should we mandate a vaccine for THIS virus.
In my opinion, we don't need to and a mandate is wrong.
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The FDA was pressured to arrive at at that conclusion.
 
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The mandate is a bit crazy but at the same time as someone who wants to wait for more research to be done on the vaccine, I have no problem getting tested daily. Come up with some test I can do at home, that is accurate, and I’ll do it every morning and bring it to work.
 
Merge said:
They were pressured to arrive at A conclusion. Not THAT conclusion.
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No. There was political pressure to ensure they approved it. Wouldn't have looked good if they didn't approve it and millions of Americans had already taken the shots.
 
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You'd hear all the names in the book: authoritarian, dictator, fascist. And they'd be right, whether it was Trump or Biden. The fact that a democrat did this means you won't see that though. Party before country, at least for leftist democrats when it comes to forced vaccinations.
 
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shu09 said:
No. There was political pressure to ensure they approved it. Wouldn't have looked good if they didn't approve it and millions of Americans had already taken the shots.
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Stop. Talk to people in the industry. There was little doubt it would be fully approved based on the results of their trials.

If they did it too quickly you would have said it was too soon, if we were still waiting on it you would still be harping on the fact that it wasn't fully approved and would be questioning what is wrong with it that they haven't approved it. The fact is they had months to review the initial results for the EUA and an additional three months to review for full approval.
 
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Merge said:
Because the newness of it really isn't relevant once the data is reviewed and the FDA has determined it to be safe.

If Covid was killing 5% of the kids that got it, it would have been mandated for everyone months ago. Would it be ideal? No. Would we want more data to understand long term effects? Absolutely!

The question isn't should we mandate a vaccine for a virus, it is should we mandate a vaccine for THIS virus.
In my opinion, we don't need to and a mandate is wrong.
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I agree. And this is where Gibbs loses all credibility and comes out like a shill for his political allegiances. I’m vaccinated and I think many people should be, but the Biden mandate is garbage and will be challenged.

And next they will use the Gibbs argument to get kids to be forced to take it. I’m at a BBQ last weekend with two doctors, both vaccinated, both encouraged me to get it. One is an anesthesiologist that has been in the thick of this intubation from patients. Both of them are adamant that young kids shouldn’t be forced to get it. And they won’t have their young kids get it.
 
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I agree. And this is where Gibbs loses all credibility and comes out like a shill for his political allegiances. I’m vaccinated and I think many people should be, but the Biden mandate is garbage and will be challenged.

And next they will use the Gibbs argument to get kids to be forced to take it. I’m at a BBQ last weekend with two doctors, both vaccinated, both encouraged me to get it. One is an anesthesiologist that has been in the thick of this intubation from patients. Both of them are adamant that young kids shouldn’t be forced to get it. And they won’t have their young kids get it.
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I’m for mandating any/all vax (with reasonable opt outs)

once we have had decades of research re same vax such as those that are currently “mandated”
 
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Bold move by Biden. Surprised he did it this way.

He should have learned from Texas (with abortion rules) to not directly mandate which invites lawsuits/supreme court/political fire.

If he just said to health insurance companies you are not allowed to cover hospital bills for covid related issues if
Unvaccinated, it would have been better and not invited the fallout and the push back he will now be getting. Then allow and make it easy for folks who get sick to sue those nearby that are unvaccinated. Then give $10,000 if you can prove an unvaccinated person spread covid into your community (unknowingly or knowingly).

I like Biden’s end goal overall. just not how he did it.

Vaccines are safe, works well and most importantly affects everyone.
 
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HallBall02 said:
Bold move by Biden. Surprised he did it this way.

He should have learned from Texas (with abortion rules) to not directly mandate which invites lawsuits/supreme court/political fire.

If he just said to health insurance companies you are not allowed to cover hospital bills for covid related issues if
Unvaccinated, it would have been better and not invited the fallout and the push back he will now be getting. Then allow and make it easy for folks who get sick to sue those nearby that are unvaccinated. Then give $10,000 if you can prove an unvaccinated person spread covid into your community (unknowingly or knowingly).

I like Biden’s end goal overall. just not how he did it.

Vaccines are safe, works well and most importantly affects everyone.
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The Texas law is unconstitutional. It will eventually be struck down if Texas does not do away with it, once someone seeks to enforce it. The Supreme Court rejected the initial challenge for emergency relief on procedural/standing grounds, without ruling on constitutionality. But eventually if not altered it will be nullified, and Texas lawmakers, trying to be creative in how the law operates to duck federal judicial review, set an awful precedent opening the door for other states to craft legislation in a similar manner that allows private citizens to sue others for certain conduct (i.e., could CA allow private citizens to sue individuals for hate speech, or NY allow private lawsuits against gun owners).
 
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dehere23 said:
The Texas law is unconstitutional. It will eventually be struck down if Texas does not do away with it, once someone seeks to enforce it. The Supreme Court rejected the initial challenge for emergency relief on procedural/standing grounds, without ruling on constitutionality. But eventually if not altered it will be nullified, and Texas lawmakers, trying to be creative in how the law operates to duck federal judicial review, set an awful precedent opening the door for other states to craft legislation in a similar manner that allows private citizens to sue others for certain conduct (i.e., could CA allow private citizens to sue individuals for hate speech, or NY allow private lawsuits against gun owners).
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Can’t sleep unfortunately. emotional distress and personal injury ?
 
HallBall02 said:
Bold move by Biden. Surprised he did it this way.

He should have learned from Texas (with abortion rules) to not directly mandate which invites lawsuits/supreme court/political fire.

If he just said to health insurance companies you are not allowed to cover hospital bills for covid related issues if
Unvaccinated, it would have been better and not invited the fallout and the push back he will now be getting. Then allow and make it easy for folks who get sick to sue those nearby that are unvaccinated. Then give $10,000 if you can prove an unvaccinated person spread covid into your community (unknowingly or knowingly).

I like Biden’s end goal overall. just not how he did it.

Vaccines are safe, works well and most importantly affects everyone.
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You sound like a Nazi sympathizer. Remember the days when liberals like you screamed "my body, my choice" and healthcare is a fundamental human right?
 
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You sound like a Nazi sympathizer. Remember the days when liberals like you screamed "my body, my choice" and healthcare is a fundamental human right?
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First you don’t get sarcasm. I think what they are doing in Texas is despicable.

Second I don’t consider myself a liberal at all. Extreme right folks would call me a RINO, liberals would call me a conservative. You crazy conspiracy theorists, would call me sheep, main stream and normal 😜
 
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Merge said:
Talk to people in the industry.
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I can absolutely assure you that you are dead wrong here if you think people in the vaccine industry are comfortable with what the politicians and governments are doing.

Dead wrong, and you can take this to the bank.
 
SHUMA04 said:
I can absolutely assure you that you are dead wrong here if you think people in the vaccine industry are comfortable with what the politicians and governments are doing.

Dead wrong, and you can take this to the bank.
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Separate issue. I’m talking about the fact that it was given full FDA approval.

it’s not a conspiracy that it was.
 
SHUMA04 said:
Very strange, then, that you are the most vociferous in supporting the vaccination programs at every turn and every opportunity.
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What is strange about my view? I happen to believe that mRNA vaccines are a huge achievement that will ultimately change medicine forever. I believe they have been proven to just as safe and more effective that traditional vaccines.

If Covid were more deadly, I would have no issue at all with a mandate. I don’t believe we need a mandate for Covid.
 
HallBall02 said:
Bold move by Biden. Surprised he did it this way.

He should have learned from Texas (with abortion rules) to not directly mandate which invites lawsuits/supreme court/political fire.

If he just said to health insurance companies you are not allowed to cover hospital bills for covid related issues if
Unvaccinated, it would have been better and not invited the fallout and the push back he will now be getting. Then allow and make it easy for folks who get sick to sue those nearby that are unvaccinated. Then give $10,000 if you can prove an unvaccinated person spread covid into your community (unknowingly or knowingly).

I like Biden’s end goal overall. just not how he did it.

Vaccines are safe, works well and most importantly affects everyone.
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This would be an awesome precedent that could lead to insurance companies not paying for people who choose to smoke, diabetics who eat candy, etc, Awesome idea.
 
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