The point of flattening the curve was to not max out hospitals and resources on hospitals. That was done successfully for now. The second wave will be brutal though. When do you think this Pandemic will be over @kniespolice ? I don't think we will be getting a approved vaccine until 2023 or 2024. No way a fast tracked vaccine will get a approved. We will be living this way the next few years.
Dr. Fauci gives grim projection
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The point of flattening the curve was to not max out hospitals and resources on hospitals. That was done successfully for now. The second wave will be brutal though. When do you think this Pandemic will be over @kniespolice ? I don't think we will be getting a approved vaccine until 2023 or 2024. No way a fast tracked vaccine will get a approved. We will be living this way the next few years.
Orange county gov official making mask use a mandate in florida, but herd immunity...
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And we did flatten the curve in the northeast. The northeast should open up. I'm not an epidemiologist so guessing when corona is gone is futile.
Please send the link, I am interested in the article. I’ve been searching the Daily Recluse website everyday to no avail.
The context of that line of thinking is that Dr. Olsterholm believes it’s a bad thing if the virus just goes away on its own because it will be acting like a flu rather than a coronavirus which would imply that a 2nd wave in the fall/winter would be likely and potentially worse.
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Well if Arnold says so. Guys injected more poison into his body than any living human, and he's the health expert now.
The PRC - People's Republic of California. Shameful attack on civil liberties.
I'm curious what your take was on his observations?
Some seem to agree with a lot of the stuff I have been saying here for months that several people here have disagreed with. (not that I believe I am close to his level of expertise, but my opinions are based off of reading things he and people like him have been saying)
He also said recently expects that 800,000 to 1,600,000 will ultimately die from this virus. Not sure if he touched on that during your webinar?
Do you feel that requiring pants in public is an attack on civil liberties as well?
He struck me as a credible expert that had some interesting observations. As with any expert, I would compare his views with other experts and evaluate where they intersect or depart. For instance, I have heard the same thing about China from several different sources. I don't know the context of the fatality expectations you indicated or when he made them, but he didn't get into statistics. We also discussed treatments and therapies that are being trialed right now that were unknown four months ago. We are in a very different spot then where we were at the beginning of the year.
I will not share the link with people that will name call at me. I will keep the high road. You can easily look up the article on google. The mayor has mentioned I am in the running for the town's yearly courage award for staying home and slowing the spread.
For those so inclined, Dr. Osterholm has a weekly podcast. The link is below
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars
Launched on Wednesday. Two other folks worth Googling are Dr. Michael Joyner at the Mayo Clinic and Chaim Lebovitz. My sense is that you will hear a lot from them shortly.
https://thefightisinus.org/en-us#home
https://thefightisinus.org/en-us#home
Read a couple interviews from him in April & May.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a...n-the-dangers-of-trumps-non-scientific-claims
https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/c...op-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/
In your opinion, sure. Seeing a few people in a public space without pants on would hurt less people than a few infected people without a mask on though.
It's an interesting time. Something unprecedented in our lifetimes and people think one of the easiest ways to reduce the likelihood of spreading a virus is a political statement and attacking our civil liberties.
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Masks cause more harm than good. Watch how many people develop respiratory infections from prolonged mask wearing.
It's not unprecedented, just blown out of proportion by the media and politicians. This virus is only slightly more deadly than the flu, which we deal with every year. We don't shut things down, we don't wear masks.
Can you support that?
It is more contagious than the flu and is at least 10x more deadly than the flu.
We don't wear masks and shut down for the flu because we have vaccines and effective treatments available which help mitigate the risks.
To mitigate the risk of COVID, a mask is all we have right now outside of staying away from other people.
It's not 100% effective, but it will reduce the amount of the virus people are shedding into the air around them which will decrease the likelihood of someone else near them getting infected if they have the virus. It is a short term solution to keep the spread low enough where we can go on with our lives somewhat normally until we have a vaccine available.
Once we have a vaccine or have an effective treatment with early detection, then we won't need masks.
I just reject the premise that we need to alter our behavior. Let it run its course.
and this is why I try to quantify what we are talking about It is easy to say "let it run its course"
That means more infections and more death than necessary because people don't like masks?
I know you don't like these questions, but at the end of the day - These are real lives we are talking about.
How many lives would have to be saved for us to have a mask rule in place until a vaccine is available?
Masks won't stop the spread but they will help keep the r0 rate close to 1 which makes a gigantic difference in how many people get infected and will help us buy time until we have a vaccine or treatment available.
Seems like such a simple and effective thing to do.
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...customers-also-masked-contracted-coronavirus/
Masks are uncomfortable and I have great difficulty breathing with one on. I will take my chances with possibly acquiring the virus.
Masks also make me feel like I am being punished and restricted when I am an innocent person.
“Take my chances”
The mask isn’t for you. It’s for those around you.
I’ll also assume you have received vaccines for things you haven’t had? Were you punished while innocent then as well?
Wow i find that hard to believe...you never got a menigitis shot before coming to shu, you never took any boosters like mmr in the last decade?
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A booster? We got those at Age 5. Why th3 hell would a 30 year old man get a booster shot? You really are soft.
And in 10-20 years from now, you will have probably forgotten the minor inconvenience of wearing a mask for a while as well.
And they become ineffective over time...let me ask you this a rusty nail cuts your hand, you say eh i had my last tetanus 20 years ago i am good?
Local keyboard warrior behind a user name goes on computer and calls a 30 year old "soft" for getting a booster shot on a college basketball board. Really classy @kniespolice
No, I had everything when I was a young child. I think a tetanus booster in the late 90s may have been the last time I got a vaccine.
Yep. Like I've been saying for months there will no college basketball season. People don't want to take this terrible terrible pandemic seriously. From my end I will be staying inside until there is a vaccine. Just past the 3 month anniversary of staying home. One day I will walk out side again. Just don't know when that will happen.
All of the progress we have made the last couple months will be quickly lost. The virus will be running rampant again in September and October. The second wave. NJ and NYC should remain closed until at least September
There needed to be a very strict restrictive mandate federally for 8 to 12 weeks...unfortunately this is what happens when you leave it to individual states rights. And here you have idiot minded people like hall85 and shu09 that feel based on hospital bed vacancies we are good on a macro level. We are not good and far from. Transmission doesnt just migrate without human intervention. Bunch of college athletes are positive. Minor leaguers at two florida camps are positive. We should not be seeing this level of positives at this point if people truly masked and social distance.
I really hope mls, wnba, nba and nhl dont have to walk back on their plans for their bubble enviroment.
A boxer was to fight the other night and one of his cornerman tested covid positive and the boxer had to pull out.
Need mass distro of covid plus/negative and antibody tests.
This is just so crippling and instead of having an accepting point of view for the time block this has been we have thinking people that feel this shattered the economy because people are not working. Money dictates so much here how about a vision for health and wellness on macro level. When we have that then all can be back at work or at least trying new careers because businesses large and small had no contigency for a quarter year ongoing health disaster.
