Dr. Fauci gives grim projection

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The confusion is the term asymptomatic vs presymptomatic. Approx 20% of patients are truly asymptomatic... and they appear less likely to infect others. The amount of the virus they have tends to be lower so that’s why longer exposure to them (at home) would be more likely to be where the spread it vs out in public. That doesn’t mean the risk increases because people stayed home.

Studies have shown people are most contagious when they are presymptomatic right before they start displaying symptoms.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

This study estimates 40-60% of cases was from people who were presymptomatic.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.25.20079103v2

Not trying to be combative here. The doctor should have been clearer in what she was saying. She was not saying people without symptoms don’t spread the virus. She was saying people who never get symptoms are less likely to spread the virus.

 

[shufan1993]

The confusion is the term asymptomatic vs presymptomatic. Approx 20% of patients are truly asymptomatic... and they appear less likely to infect others. The amount of the virus they have tends to be lower so that’s why longer exposure to them (at home) would be more likely to be where the spread it vs out in public. That doesn’t mean the risk increases because people stayed home.

Studies have shown people are most contagious when they are presymptomatic right before they start displaying symptoms.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

This study estimates 40-60% of cases was from people who were presymptomatic.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.25.20079103v2

Not trying to be combative here. The doctor should have been clearer in what she was saying. She was not saying people without symptoms don’t spread the virus. She was saying people who never get symptoms are less likely to spread the virus.

How can they clearly quantify the percentage of people who never have symptoms that are spreading the disease? I don't understand that.

 

[shu09]

The confusion is the term asymptomatic vs presymptomatic. Approx 20% of patients are truly asymptomatic... and they appear less likely to infect others. The amount of the virus they have tends to be lower so that’s why longer exposure to them (at home) would be more likely to be where the spread it vs out in public. That doesn’t mean the risk increases because people stayed home.

Studies have shown people are most contagious when they are presymptomatic right before they start displaying symptoms.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5

This study estimates 40-60% of cases was from people who were presymptomatic.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.25.20079103v2

Not trying to be combative here. The doctor should have been clearer in what she was saying. She was not saying people without symptoms don’t spread the virus. She was saying people who never get symptoms are less likely to spread the virus.

I'm aware of what they said.

 

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I'm aware of what they said.

If you are trying to have an honest dialogue here, you would not have posted "if you’re sick, stay home” as a solution to stopping the spread of the virus if you understood what they said.

I understand why you would come to the wrong conclusion there. Many people did, and it is because they were talking about a clinical definition of asymptomatic which is different than how transmission without symptoms was being reported previously. They probably shouldn't have been using the phrase asymptomatic transmission originally and should have been going with "showing no symptoms at the time of transmission"

Dr Kerkhove is actually having a conversation now to clarify what she said yesterday to clear things up.

https://www.pscp.tv/WHO/1vAGRraBMgRGl

 

[shu09]

Of course, she was probably told to walk it back in order to keep in line with the narrative that we have to keep people scared.

 

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Of course, she was probably told to walk it back in order to keep in line with the narrative that we have to keep people scared.

Come on...
If you understood the context of what she said originally, there would have not been an issue.

The outlets that ran with the story did not understand what she said and reported it incorrectly. That is why she needed to clarify.

People who are infected without symptoms shed the virus and they are more contagious right before they develop symptoms than after they get sick.

Those are the facts as we know them so far based on many studies.
That is not a false narrative. That is not trying to keep people scared. Those are the facts that everyone should understand in order to assess the risks for themselves and their families. Thinking that you can't transmit the virus because you feel fine is not correct.

 

[knowknow456]

Come on...
If you understood the context of what she said originally, there would have not been an issue.

The outlets that ran with the story did not understand what she said and reported it incorrectly. That is why she needed to clarify.

People who are infected without symptoms shed the virus and they are more contagious right before they develop symptoms than after they get sick.

Those are the facts as we know them so far based on many studies.
That is not a false narrative. That is not trying to keep people scared. Those are the facts that everyone should understand in order to assess the risks for themselves and their families. Thinking that you can't transmit the virus because you feel fine is not correct.

If only you knew the power of the dark side. The paranoia force is strong with this one.

 

[shufan1993]

19 states are now seeing spikes in COVID cases and a "2nd wave". All of these states have reopened. Not good! We're very far out of the woods yet. Probably still a year or two away. States will keep on opening and closing until then. I tried warning this board!

 

[donnie_baseball]

19 states are now seeing spikes in COVID cases and a "2nd wave". All of these states have reopened. Not good! We're very far out of the woods yet. Probably still a year or two away. States will keep on opening and closing until then. I tried warning this board!

Go away.
I, for one, will be having a beer at my favorite watering hole (weather permitting) around 5pm on 6/15.

 

[shu09]

Go away.
I, for one, will be having a beer at my favorite watering hole (weather permitting) around 5pm on 6/15.

That kook is still talking about the second wave myth? SMH.

 

[donnie_baseball]

That kook is still talking about the second wave myth? SMH.

For the record, I believe we are already seeing a second wave in places (AZ seems to be the most striking), and we will in the tri-state area, as well. How smartly we handle it this time around is up for debate. Cuomo is a moron, and Murphy just does what Cuomo does.

 

[HALL85]

For the record, I believe we are already seeing a second wave in places (AZ seems to be the most striking), and we will in the tri-state area, as well. How smartly we handle it this time around is up for debate. Cuomo is a moron, and Murphy just does what Cuomo does.

I would agree with this. Arkansas is spiking, but patients are being treated now with some of the therapies in clinical trials. No healthcare system is being overwhelmed or close to it. The public isn’t stupid...turning a blind eye on the riots/protests just showed how self-serving some politicians are even in a time of a“pandemic”. Sad.

 

[shu09]

For the record, I believe we are already seeing a second wave in places (AZ seems to be the most striking), and we will in the tri-state area, as well. How smartly we handle it this time around is up for debate. Cuomo is a moron, and Murphy just does what Cuomo does.

I don't believe there will be a major second wave.

Remember, the goal was to not overwhelm the system. We cannot let them get away with moving the goal posts that say we must have all these restrictions simply because case numbers may be increasing in places.

 

[HALL85]

I don't believe there will be a major second wave.

Remember, the goal was to not overwhelm the system. We cannot let them get away with moving the goal posts that say we must have all these restrictions simply because case numbers may be increasing in places.

It depends what we call a wave....more cases, but as you said, the health system capacity is fine and we have ways to treat patients.

 

[shufan1993]

It depends what we call a wave....more cases, but as you said, the health system capacity is fine and we have ways to treat patients.

Once we got fall/winter 2020/2021 unfortunately this will no longer be the case. Hospitals will be maxed out for common flu and covid cases. We are in for a really tough winter. This second wave will definitely be worse than the first.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Once we got fall/winter 2020/2021 unfortunately this will no longer be the case. Hospitals will be maxed out for common flu and covid cases. We are in for a really tough winter. This second wave will definitely be worse than the first.

Not likely. Maybe the ~50% of people who refuse the flu shot each year will wise up.

 

[shufan1993]

Not likely. Maybe the ~50% of people who refuse the flu shot each year will wise up.

Its alright to disagree! But I have been spot on with my predictions. I did predict that a second wave will come sooner since states are reopening. This is already happening. Again we are far out of the wood. Unfortunately we haven't seen the worst yet.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Its alright to disagree! But I have been spot on with my predictions. I did predict that a second wave will come sooner since states are reopening. This is already happening. Again we are far out of the wood. Unfortunately we haven't seen the worst yet.

All you do is predict the worst and "years" of social distancing. The worst has not come to pass, so you haven't been spot on anything.

 

[shu09]

All you do is predict the worst and "years" of social distancing. The worst has not come to pass, so you haven't been spot on anything.

Better off not interacting with that guy. Nothing but doom and gloom. The cases in the south and the west aren't really a second wave. They never really had a first wave!

 

[shufan1993]

All you do is predict the worst and "years" of social distancing. The worst has not come to pass, so you haven't been spot on anything.

What haven't I been spot on about? Social distancing will remain for years. Simon malls already has a plan where face masks we will be required for the next 10 years. I was saying a couple months ago people will adapt to wearing masks. The worst has not happened yet.

 

[HALL85]

This is long but well worth the time.

 

[shufan1993]

Hi all. Please read this article. States that opened their economies are now unfortunately facing the reality. Numbers are going up up up. Like I have been saying these states will close again soon. State economies will be opening and closing the next two years.

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...nd-s-c-report-new-spikes-in-coronavirus-cases

 

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This is long but well worth the time.

Not really.

 

[HALL85]

Not really.

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Not really...denying the conversations she has on tape with others nurses and physicians?

 

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Not really...denying the conversations she has on tape with others nurses and physicians?

I didn't watch it all.

Seemed clear fairly early on this was a conspiracy theory with no attempt to actually look into anything or present a side which wouldn't support them. She was implying patients were intubated because of anxiety which... Is on its face Fuc#ing absurd. Skipped a bit and ended up when she was talking about hydroxychloroquine.. which again was laughably absurd about why doctors doctors want to use it when it was not proven science.

Searched her name and she's an anti vax kook who doesn't believe the virus is real who went to New York with an agenda to support her prior belief, not to find the truth.

So no.... 110 minutes of that is not worth anyone's time.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

I didn't watch it all.

Seemed clear fairly early on this was a conspiracy theory with no attempt to actually look into anything or present a side which wouldn't support them. She was implying patients were intubated because of anxiety which... Is on its face Fuc#ing absurd. Skipped a bit and ended up when she was talking about hydroxychloroquine.. which again was laughably absurd about why doctors doctors want to use it when it was not proven science.

Searched her name and she's an anti vax kook who doesn't believe the virus is real who went to New York with an agenda to support her prior belief, not to find the truth.

So no.... 110 minutes of that is not worth anyone's time.

Stuff like this is why I don't understand why you go round & round every day with the same 5 or so reactionaries that, depending on the topic, have sources like this/are misinformed/are contrarian just for contrarians sake/are acting in bad faith...or a combination of those. Everyone ignores hazmat suit guy & in the past that that Hallline Forever kook. I see some difference sure, but not enough to engage these jerks that gleefully goad & disrespect you. I dunno man...do you. Still bummed you were for Mayor Pete lol. Woof!

 

[HALL85]

I didn't watch it all.

Seemed clear fairly early on this was a conspiracy theory with no attempt to actually look into anything or present a side which wouldn't support them. She was implying patients were intubated because of anxiety which... Is on its face Fuc#ing absurd. Skipped a bit and ended up when she was talking about hydroxychloroquine.. which again was laughably absurd about why doctors doctors want to use it when it was not proven science.

Searched her name and she's an anti vax kook who doesn't believe the virus is real who went to New York with an agenda to support her prior belief, not to find the truth.

So no.... 110 minutes of that is not worth anyone's time.

That’s pretty interesting, because you didn’t watch it, but chose to believe some goofy “debunker” The main point of her story was about the hospital and that the vast majority of patients that were minorities that didn’t have anyone advocating for them. About a hospital that was totally out of control from protocols, PPE misuse and cleanliness. It showed the discrepancy in care between a standalone public hospital and a large system with better leadership and controls. There was no political angle as she was critical of Cuomo and Trump...but you didn’t see it.

 

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Stuff like this is why I don't understand why you go round & round every day with the same 5 or so reactionaries that, depending on the topic, have sources like this/are misinformed/are contrarian just for contrarians sake/are acting in bad faith...or a combination of those. Everyone ignores hazmat suit guy & in the past that that Hallline Forever kook. I see some difference sure, but not enough to engage these jerks that gleefully goad & disrespect you. I dunno man...do you. Still bummed you were for Mayor Pete lol. Woof!

It says a lot more about Merge than it does about you. He is capable of having a reasonable debate...

 

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That’s pretty interesting, because you didn’t watch it, but chose to believe some goofy “debunker” The main point of her story was about the hospital and that the vast majority of patients that were minorities that didn’t have anyone advocating for them. About a hospital that was totally out of control from protocols, PPE misuse and cleanliness. It showed the discrepancy in care between a standalone public hospital and a large system with better leadership and controls. There was no political angle as she was critical of Cuomo and Trump...but you didn’t see it.

So if I post a 2 hour long video of a conspiracy theory nutcase who is presenting one sided nonsense... you will watch the whole thing for the sprinkling of truth that they throw in?

Please. You would be all over me for that, and rightfully so.

 

[HALL85]

So if I post a 2 hour long video of a conspiracy theory nutcase who is presenting one sided nonsense... you will watch the whole thing for the sprinkling of truth that they throw in?

Please. You would be all over me for that, and rightfully so.

But she wasn’t presenting “one side”, and you wouldn’t know that because you didn’t watch it.

I’ll help you out...it was an hour and the vast majority of it dealt with the minority community and difference in care; nurses that were ill trained and equipped, and a hospital woefully short staffed of physicians with little direction and oversight. If you recall Elmhurst Hospital was propped up every night on the MSM to highlight the COVID crisis, with very little if any reporting on why they were struggling compared to the many other NYC hospitals that were managing the volume efficiently.

 

[shufan1993]

Tony Fauci, MD is now saying a second wave might not be "inevitable" in the fall. That's good news! Hopefully I'll be at the rock in my hazmat suit this season! Section 16!

 

[shufan1993]

Open up they said...

It would be a good thing they said. Things are not looking good in Florida.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243363086.html

 

[shufan1993]

Also the virus is back in china. I remember when people on this board told me this virus is a "political hoax" when I tried to warn everyone on here in late February.

 

[HALL85]

https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-rollback-r...n-manhattan-street-party-the-hamtons/6247379/

Cuomo threatens to roll back opening because of people hanging out, but he’s silent on protests and looters involving thousands. And you wonder why people don’t trust politicians.

 

[shu09]

https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-rollback-r...n-manhattan-street-party-the-hamtons/6247379/

Cuomo threatens to roll back opening because of people hanging out, but he’s silent on protests and looters involving thousands. And you wonder why people don’t trust politicians.

Another piece of evidence that it isn't about health. It is about political agendas and control.

 

[shufan1993]

https://abc7ny.com/cuomo-rollback-r...n-manhattan-street-party-the-hamtons/6247379/

Cuomo threatens to roll back opening because of people hanging out, but he’s silent on protests and looters involving thousands. And you wonder why people don’t trust politicians.

Like I have been saying for months now states will be going in and out of quarantine for the couple years now. That doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it. But my predictions have been spot on and I think this prediction will be correct too.

 

[shufan1993]

Hi All. New projections in today and they are not good to say the least. I have been warning people on this board since mid March about the chances of a second wave and we will be facing the reality soon. Due to the actions of state governments the White House has now increased COVID-19 deaths by 30,000 through October 2020. This is a total of over 200,000 deaths through October 2020. I predict the NJ second wave will begin in late July or August at this rate. And unfortunately our governor will probably make the decision to shut everything down again. Like I have been saying for months states will be opening and closing for the next couple years on order to contain the virus. We are far out of the woods and it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

 

[HALL85]

My doctor recommended to avoid watching CNN while wearing a hazmat suit. He said there is a strong tendency to become delusional and begin quoting Tupac Shakur.

 

[shufan1993]

@SPK145 What's going on in Georgia??? I thought numbers were supposed to go down. As you can truly see Georgia is now seeing a spike due to the state reopening. Not good.

 

[shufan1993]

My doctor recommended to avoid watching CNN while wearing a hazmat suit. He said there is a strong tendency to become delusional and begin quoting Tupac Shakur.

Huh? Its alright to make fun of me! I'll continue warning this board about the virus! You can't deny that I have been right about what's going on. And unfortunately the worst is yet to come.