Dr. Fauci gives grim projection

[shufan1993]

Hi @Merge. I've been saying for months now Murphy will announce that all schools will start remote. You said that I will be wrong. Please read this article. It looks like unfortunately I will be right again. As I have said previously Murphy will cave in. I did state it seems like you don't understand the politics of NJ. The teachers association is very powerful.

https://www.nj.com/education/2020/0...n-murphy-to-start-nj-schools-remote-only.html

 

[Merge]

Hi @Merge. I've been saying for months now Murphy will announce that all schools will start remote. You said that I will be wrong. Please read this article. It looks like unfortunately I will be right again. As I have said previously Murphy will cave in. I did state it seems like you don't understand the politics of NJ. The teachers association is very powerful.

https://www.nj.com/education/2020/0...n-murphy-to-start-nj-schools-remote-only.html

Said for a while that the teachers union is a wild card, and I think the arguments for starting with remote learning make a lot of sense but I would still be surprised if we start that way.

Too many working parents that need schools to be open so they can work, and there are also a lot of kids that will get left behind if they are home. The reasons to open schools outweigh the reasons to close them from my view.

And politically speaking, the teachers union does present a problem, but it's either fight them or a state of pissed off parents.

 

[seton1996]

Teachers better watch how they play this, if we go back to distant learning at what point does it become a district has too many teachers? Is their a need for PE, art, library, music teachers as much, can a district get away say with half the 4th grade teachers if distant learning? Probably unlikely in short term, but what happens if this drags on?

This can will all be compounded by fiscal cuts that may have to come from the state.

 

[shufan1993]

Said for a while that the teachers union is a wild card, and I think the arguments for starting with remote learning make a lot of sense but I would still be surprised if we start that way.

Too many working parents that need schools to be open so they can work, and there are also a lot of kids that will get left behind if they are home. The reasons to open schools outweigh the reasons to close them from my view.

And politically speaking, the teachers union does present a problem, but it's either fight them or a state of pissed off parents.

But your boy Murphy will close the schools at the end of the day!

 

[Pirata]

We may be headed to a huge education gap.

Pod schools are the new emerging trend. Home and private schooling will rise. Those with means will have access to this. They will be able to afford excellent technology set-ups in their homes.

Those with less income will suffer a compromised education for their children.

Public school enrollment will decline and put additional pressure on budgets.

My experience with Information Technology support with schools districts is that the city schools are woefully inadequate. They can't handle current technology support let alone the demands of remote learning.

 

[Merge]

We may be headed to a huge education gap.

Pod schools are the new emerging trend. Home and private schooling will rise. Those with means will have access to this. They will be able to afford excellent technology set-ups in their homes.

Those with less income will suffer a compromised education for their children.

Public school enrollment will decline and put additional pressure on budgets.

My experience with Information Technology support with schools districts is that the city schools are woefully inadequate. They can't handle current technology support let alone the demands of remote learning.

You're absolutely correct there. One of the reasons why I think we are trying for schools to open.

Does enrollment impact budgets though?

 

[Pirata]

Does enrollment impact budgets though?

Absolutely, albeit the precise formula varies by state. Some use enrollment and some use attendance. You have to do some Googling to get details for a particular state.

There are also other factors such as income levels that govern certain programs such as technology funding. In general, low income districts get more.

I am speaking for PA. I don't know NJ.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

 

[shu09]

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Oh my gosh, 9 cases! The world is ending!

 

[buckfoston824]

Oh my gosh, 9 cases! The world is ending!

that’s 9 cases of students who felt unwell enough to get tested. There will be others that are asymptomatic and spread it to their classmates under the radar. Remember this 2 weeks from now when the school will have 50+ confirmed cases.

book it.

 

[Merge]

Oh my gosh, 9 cases! The world is ending!

I don’t think that’s the point.

The point is that we need to expect that school openings are going to cause the virus to spread. Those 9 infected likely infected others. Those others will infect more etc.

Opening schools is an argument for herd immunity and maybe that is ok but teachers, parents, grandparents and other caretakers who might have other conditions which present greater risks from Covid should expect the virus to spread fairly rapidly in schools and plan accordingly.

 

[seton1996]

that’s 9 cases of students who felt unwell enough to get tested. There will be others that are asymptomatic and spread it to their classmates under the radar. Remember this 2 weeks from now when the school will have 50+ confirmed cases.

book it.

This is a huge school, 2500+ in students, so 9 is not a huge number even on school level, maybe these kids had symptoms maybe not, maybe they got virus from school or maybe got somewhere else, maybe they spread to others, hopefully not.

What people seem to forget, this is a pandemic, people will get sick with masks or without, whether they go to school or not, etc.. The idea is to not overwhelm hospitals and protect the vulnerable, allowing for quicker recoveries and less deaths.

I don’t live there so hard to judge if students should wear masks or not, if I was a student or parent I would probably wear a mask.

 

[buckfoston824]

This is a huge school, 2500+ in students, so 9 is not a huge number even on school level, maybe these kids had symptoms maybe not, maybe they got virus from school or maybe got somewhere else, maybe they spread to others, hopefully not.

What people seem to forget, this is a pandemic, people will get sick with masks or without, whether they go to school or not, etc.. The idea is to not overwhelm hospitals and protect the vulnerable, allowing for quicker recoveries and less deaths.

I don’t live there so hard to judge if students should wear masks or not, if I was a student or parent I would probably wear a mask.

Mask or no mask, cramming students into hallways seems like a greater potential to spread covid than not. So why do it if the point is the lighten the load on our healthcare system?

 

[seton1996]

Mask or no mask, cramming students into hallways seems like a greater potential to spread covid than not. So why do it if the point is the lighten the load on our healthcare system?

Don’t disagree, they need to better work distancing students, way too crowded hallway.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

 

[shu09]

that’s 9 cases of students who felt unwell enough to get tested. There will be others that are asymptomatic and spread it to their classmates under the radar. Remember this 2 weeks from now when the school will have 50+ confirmed cases.

book it.

Keep scaring people with the asymptomatic boogeyman. And wait two weeks, haha. You're a walking corona stereotype for team apocalypse.

You also don't know for sure if they were all feeling unwell. A few may have just happened to have been tested.

 

[shu09]

Mask or no mask, cramming students into hallways seems like a greater potential to spread covid than not. So why do it if the point is the lighten the load on our healthcare system?

Because the overwhelming majority of children who get it will not require hospitalization. You also fail to consider the consequences of children being out of school for so long. There is more to human health than the coronavirus and the country has lost sight of that.

The quicker we get to herd immunity, the quicker we can put this nonsense behind us.

 

[shu09]

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Italy just saw its highest number of new cases since the end of May. France is seeing a significant increase in case counts over the last three weeks. Germany just saw it's highest daily total since May 9. These countries didn't beat it, the virus is simply running its course as I've been saying from the start.

The US totals rose because the virus moved to states where it wasn't a significant presence in March and April, while the areas where it was present in the spring have seen declining case counts. All signs of a virus running its course through each country no matter what we do.

 

[Merge]

Italy just saw its highest number of new cases since the end of May. France is seeing a significant increase in case counts over the last three weeks. Germany just saw it's highest daily total since May 9. These countries didn't beat it, the virus is simply running its course as I've been saying from the start.

What is the trend of the positivity rate in those countries?

Cases should be going up. We need to get better at identifying cases early globally in order to beat it.

If the positive rate is going up, that would be indicative of a larger spread.

The US totals rose because the virus moved to states where it wasn't a significant presence in March and April, while the areas where it was present in the spring have seen declining case counts. All signs of a virus running its course through each country no matter what we do.

Just not true. Tens of thousands of cases in Florida and Texas, then they reopened and it spread rapidly. They had it controlled and didn’t take enough precaution to keep the spread to a minimum.

 

[buckfoston824]

Keep scaring people with the asymptomatic boogeyman. And wait two weeks, haha. You're a walking corona stereotype for team apocalypse.

You also don't know for sure if they were all feeling unwell. A few may have just happened to have been tested.

It is obvious your mind is set on the asymptomatic aspect of this virus. Keeping hugging your neighbors.

There is a good chance that those who were tested were feeling unwell. Do you go to the doctor if you feel totally fine, and ask if you have a cold? Strep throat? The flu? No, because when symptoms arise that’s when most people decide to get tested for diseases.

 

[buckfoston824]

Because the overwhelming majority of children who get it will not require hospitalization. You also fail to consider the consequences of children being out of school for so long. There is more to human health than the coronavirus and the country has lost site of that.

The quicker we get to herd immunity, the quicker we can put this nonsense behind us.

Let’s pretend that you are correct about your first point here: even if zero children get hospitalized the still have to go home to their parents who are more at risk. Some families live in multi-generational households with elderly grandparents. Do you think that children are unable to transmit this disease to other people? How do you think they catch it in the first place?

I would love to be wrong about all of this, but I have come to accept the situation that we are in while accepting factual information from qualified professionals. As opposed to the hysteria of a minority group of Americans who feel that their rights are being infringed upon due to some political facade.

 

[seton1996]

Let’s pretend that you are correct about your first point here: even if zero children get hospitalized the still have to go home to their parents who are more at risk. Some families live in multi-generational households with elderly grandparents. Do you think that children are unable to transmit this disease to other people? How do you think they catch it in the first place?

I would love to be wrong about all of this, but I have come to accept the situation that we are in while accepting factual information from qualified professionals. As opposed to the hysteria of a minority group of Americans who feel that their rights are being infringed upon due to some political facade.

Are none of the students, teachers, staff or families going to the store, hang with friends, go to parties, play sports, have people at their house or have other family members that go to work, etc?

Unfortunately, these students/teachers are not living in a bubble, so whether they go to school or not, it is possible they catch it and possibly transmit it to others.

 

[shu09]

It is obvious your mind is set on the asymptomatic aspect of this virus. Keeping hugging your neighbors.

There is a good chance that those who were tested were feeling unwell. Do you go to the doctor if you feel totally fine, and ask if you have a cold? Strep throat? The flu? No, because when symptoms arise that’s when most people decide to get tested for diseases.

So why are politicians begging people to be tested, symptoms or not? The flu also spreads asymptomatically, along with various other diseases. The answer is because they want to juice the numbers to make a scared public think they're doing something about it.

 

[shu09]

Let’s pretend that you are correct about your first point here: even if zero children get hospitalized the still have to go home to their parents who are more at risk. Some families live in multi-generational households with elderly grandparents. Do you think that children are unable to transmit this disease to other people? How do you think they catch it in the first place?

I would love to be wrong about all of this, but I have come to accept the situation that we are in while accepting factual information from qualified professionals. As opposed to the hysteria of a minority group of Americans who feel that their rights are being infringed upon due to some political facade.

The only hysteria is from the media and the politicians using this as an excuse to frighten and control the population. You have to wonder what the end game is and if they're planning something even more nefarious for us down the road. They are conditioning you to believe all of this is normal and that government should have these unquestionable powers to destroy people's livelihoods for any reason.

And no, children do not spread this virus efficiently. We're supposed to follow the science, right? Well, here you go: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200710100934.htm.

 

[Merge]

Are none of the students, teachers, staff or families going to the store, hang with friends, go to parties, play sports, have people at their house or have other family members that go to work, etc?

Unfortunately, these students/teachers are not living in a bubble, so whether they go to school or not, it is possible they catch it and possibly transmit it to others.

Infection = Exposure x time.

The longer you are indoors in a room with poor ventilation with someone who is sick, the more likely you are to get infected.

I am not arguing for school closures, but teachers and children are going to catch and spread the virus.

 

[Merge]

So why are politicians begging people to be tested, symptoms or not? The flu also spreads asymptomatically, along with various other diseases. The answer is because they want to juice the numbers to make a scared public think they're doing something about it.

Come on...
You test to find those who are sick so they can isolate themselves.

 

[donnie_baseball]

I would love to be wrong about all of this, but I have come to accept the situation that we are in while accepting factual information from qualified professionals. As opposed to the hysteria of a minority group of Americans who feel that their rights are being infringed upon due to some political facade.

But it's not that group that's spreading the virus. It's the teens and 20-somethings with "pop up" parties. Happening in NJ every weekend. Trump voters, I'm sure.

 

[shu09]

Come on...
You test to find those who are sick so they can isolate themselves.

That's what they want you to believe. Politics is a perception game, and juicing these numbers serves that end.

 

[shu09]

But it's not that group that's spreading the virus. It's the teens and 20-somethings with "pop up" parties. Happening in NJ every weekend. Trump voters, I'm sure.

To be honest, I have no problem with young adults having parties. I want life to be as normal as possible.

But yes, these are certainly not Trump voters. They are largely young and people of color from the reports I have seen. Not exactly Trump's demographic.

 

[HALL85]

Infection = Exposure x time.

The longer you are indoors in a room with poor ventilation with someone who is sick, the more likely you are to get infected.

I am not arguing for school closures, but teachers and children are going to catch and spread the virus.

School boards/unions have had six months to figure this out but it's devolved into more politics in many states/cities.

 

[Merge]

That's what they want you to believe. Politics is a perception game, and juicing these numbers serves that end.

Infectious disease isn't a game. It is reality.

Identifying cases before people have an opportunity to spread the virus helps us stop the spread.

It's not a political ploy.

 

[shu09]

Infectious disease isn't a game. It is reality.

Identifying cases before people have an opportunity to spread the virus helps us stop the spread.

It's not a political ploy.

Believe what you want.

 

[Merge]

School boards/unions have had six months to figure this out but it's devolved into more politics in many states/cities.

In my district I think they have been very thorough in creating a plan that will allow children to attend school while adding measures which will attempt to keep the spread low. We just received our 60 page school opening plan.

The reactions from the parents is very politicized though.

 

[shu09]

In my district I think they have been very thorough in creating a plan that will allow children to attend school while adding measures which will attempt to keep the spread low. We just received our 60 page school opening plan.

The reactions from the parents is very politicized though.

60 page plan. What a joke. We are a nation of softies.

 

[Merge]

Believe what you want.

Of course. I believe identifying cases early and isolating those who are infected is our best tool in fighting the spread.

I would agree with that no matter what the politicians are saying.

 

[HALL85]

In my district I think they have been very thorough in creating a plan that will allow children to attend school while adding measures which will attempt to keep the spread low. We just received our 60 page school opening plan.

The reactions from the parents is very politicized though.

Yes, that's my point. Some school systems have done a thorough job of enabling classes to start back up while implementing distancing....and some systems are still scrambling.

 

[shu09]

Of course. I believe identifying cases early and isolating those who are infected is our best tool in fighting the spread.

I would agree with that no matter what the politicians are saying.

Just don't see the need to take all these drastic measures to stop the spread of a harmless virus for most who get it. Some people will have bad outcomes, but they should take steps to protect themselves. The majority of us should go about our lives.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Just don't see the need to take all these drastic measures to stop the spread of a harmless virus for most who get it. Some people will have bad outcomes, but they should take steps to protect themselves. The majority of us should go about our lives.

Because it's very contagious (much moreso than "flu"), and the absolute numbers of dead would be staggering if the whole country gets infected, even at a low mortality rate. You do make some good points, however, that with the rising numbers in Europe, we may just be delaying the inevitable, rather than "beating" the virus.

 

[donnie_baseball]

@donnie_baseball And can't Dr. Tony Fauci, MD be wrong going back to normal? He has been wrong about a lot of things.

But you said that HE said we wouldn't. So you were wrong, then.

 

[Merge]

Because it's very contagious (much moreso than "flu"), and the absolute numbers of dead would be staggering if the whole country gets infected, even at a low mortality rate. You do make some good points, however, that with the rising numbers in Europe, we may just be delaying the inevitable, rather than "beating" the virus.

We have evidence from other countries data which suggests that the spread is not inevitable and it does not have to reach a certain percentage of the population to be controlled.