Global Warming: Extreme Heat In Europe

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

I know right. You probably can’t be sure unless there is consensus

The article you listed says that there would’ve been a drought regardless of man-made activity in that the drought existed prior to the promulgation of climate change studies.

isn’t even one bird death one too many?

Do you know the meaning of "but not to the same extent"?

"Existing climate models have shown that the current drought would have been dry even without climate change, but not to the same extent.

Human-caused climate change is responsible for about 42% of the soil moisture deficit since 2000, the paper found. One of the primary reasons climate change is causing more severe droughts is that warmer temperatures are increasing evaporation, which dries out soil and vegetation. From 2000 to 2021, temperatures in the region were 0.91 degrees Celsius (about 1.64 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the average from 1950 to 1999."

The Uconn education 🤭

 

[SHUSA]

I know right. You probably can’t be sure unless there is consensus

The article you listed says that there would’ve been a drought regardless of man-made activity in that the drought existed prior to the promulgation of climate change studies.

isn’t even one bird death one too many?

what i find hilarious is that connecticut is currently in drought conservation protocols.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Ugh another wacky conspiracy from you.

Sugar Shocked? The Rest Of Food Industry Pays For Lots Of Research, Too

A recent study revealed the sugar industry's efforts 50 years ago to shape medical opinion on how sugar affects health. But today, scores of companies continue to fund food and nutrition studies.

www.npr.org

The Influence of Industry Sponsorship on the Research Agenda: A Scoping Review

Background. Corporate interests have the potential to influence public debate and policymaking by influencing the research agenda, namely the initial step in conducting research, in which the purpose of the study is defined and the questions are framed.Objectives. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sorry at some point get out of the dream world where all people are good honest people trying to make the world a better place with the exceptions of Trump and the NRA. Lot of greed out there and people will do what they can to influence things so their wallets grow.

 

[HALL85]

Sugar Shocked? The Rest Of Food Industry Pays For Lots Of Research, Too

A recent study revealed the sugar industry's efforts 50 years ago to shape medical opinion on how sugar affects health. But today, scores of companies continue to fund food and nutrition studies.

www.npr.org

The Influence of Industry Sponsorship on the Research Agenda: A Scoping Review

Background. Corporate interests have the potential to influence public debate and policymaking by influencing the research agenda, namely the initial step in conducting research, in which the purpose of the study is defined and the questions are framed.Objectives. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Sorry at some point get out of the dream world where all people are good honest people trying to make the world a better place with the exceptions of Trump and the NRA. Lot of greed out there and people will do what they can to influence things so their wallets grow.

A healthy skepticism is good to have.
- I am not going to listen to ANY politician when it comes to their “green plan” or “drill baby drill” They lost their credibility on the topic a long time ago.
- Ditto for the UN…some of their predictions are comical.
- MSM - Mimimcl credibility as well. Not interested.
- Also not going to rely only on one group because each has greed motivation. Put a bunch of cross-functional experts in a room until they come out with a plan. Climatologists, energy scientists - all forms, global economists, relevant business expertise, statisticians, etc. No one group with the ability to tilt the scales in their favor. No government agencies allowed.

 

[shu09]

Weather Channel founder on science, consensus and global warming. Old interview (2014 or 2015) but still relevant. Unfortunately, he passed away some years ago.

 

[shu09]

Wow, that is a lot. Since you're Mr. Scientific Method, can you give me any studies that support any of this nonsense? Let's start with "wind turbines are bad for the environment because they kill birds," a claim that has already been disproven in this thread.

Remember, these studies have to be rigorously loyal to the Scientific Method!

By the way, while we're arguing about this garbage, Lake Mead and the Colorado River continue to dry up. Most of the continental US west of the Mississippi River is going through a drought of some severity. It's pretty bad! I don't really care that some scientist's arbitrary date did not come to fruition and you think that makes the whole thing a fraud. It's still getting worse regardless!

Lake Mead Keeps Dropping

Water levels are at their lowest since 1937.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

www.denverpost.com/2022/07/21/colorado-river-drought-colorado-river-compact/

Current Map | U.S. Drought Monitor

droughtmonitor.unl.edu

Imagine thinking humans can somehow stop bodies of water from drying up. Some people are absolutely mindless. Truly breathtaking.

Lake Mead is man-made. It didn't even exist before the Hoover Dam! Nature takes its toll over time. Water was backed up and pooled in the desert to support the largess of the human race and now nature is taking its land back. Did you know the Great Salt Lake used to be huge? That's drying up too and has been continuously drying up LONG before humans ever discovered fossil fuels. Read about Lake Bonneville. You just might learn something.

 

[CL82]

what i find hilarious is that connecticut is currently in drought conservation protocols.

So is Jersey, where I actually live, but the current drought isn’t a permanent change in climate, right? You don’t think there’s going to be rain anymore correct?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Weather Channel founder on science, consensus and global warming. Old interview (2014 or 2015) but still relevant. Unfortunately, he passed away some years ago.

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He hadnt been with TWC in 30 years during that bizarre interview. They also made it clear he doesnt speak for them.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Imagine thinking humans can somehow stop bodies of water from drying up. Some people are absolutely mindless. Truly breathtaking.

Lake Mead is man-made. It didn't even exist before the Hoover Dam! Nature takes its toll over time. Water was backed up and pooled in the desert to support the largess of the human race and now nature is taking its land back. Did you know the Great Salt Lake used to be huge? That's drying up too and has been continuously drying up LONG before humans ever discovered fossil fuels. Read about Lake Bonneville. You just might learn something.

Imagine thinking we can pollute and pillage the planet with zero consequences.

 

[CL82]

Do you know the meaning of "but not to the same extent"?

"Existing climate models have shown that the current drought would have been dry even without climate change, but not to the same extent.

Human-caused climate change is responsible for about 42% of the soil moisture deficit since 2000, the paper found. One of the primary reasons climate change is causing more severe droughts is that warmer temperatures are increasing evaporation, which dries out soil and vegetation. From 2000 to 2021, temperatures in the region were 0.91 degrees Celsius (about 1.64 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the average from 1950 to 1999."

The Uconn education 🤭

So, there would be a drought regardless of any alleged global warming. I mean, you get that from the text you quoted right?

Do you know what the moisture deficit actually is? If not, then do you know whether 42% of an unknown is actually a meaningful number? When water evaporates what happens to it? Does it disappear? Does it leave the planet ecosystem?

Just curious.

 

[SHUSA]

So is Jersey, where I actually live, but the current drought isn’t a permanent change in climate, right? You don’t think there’s going to be rain anymore correct?

its called climate change not climated changed. congrats to your most moronic post today. a high bar. uconn degree on display.

 

[SHUSA]

So, there would be a drought regardless of any alleged global warming. I mean, you get that from the text you quoted right?

Do you know what the moisture deficit actually is? If not, then do you know whether 42% of an unknown is actually a meaningful number? When water evaporates what happens to it? Does it disappear? Does it leave the planet ecosystem?

Just curious.

instability is the main feature of climate change. plus we should be fine cause were getting more water with the glaciers melting. actually were lookin prettttty good.

 

[HALL85]

Is anyone on this thread who believes there is an existential threat actually doing anything about it? Other than posting their thoughts about it???

I mean if I thought the world was ending, posting pithy thoughts anonymously doesn’t seem like it’s going to do much to stop it from happening.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Imagine thinking we can pollute and pillage the planet with zero consequences.

Your thoughts on roads? Are there consequences to having roads? Where there was once dirt and grass absorbing water we now have concrete creating water vapor every time it rains. That’s not how the planet was meant to be. Forget getting rid of gas guzzling cars, let’s get rid of roads completely. We’re pillaging the planet with roads.

 

[SHUSA]

Is anyone on this thread who believes there is an existential threat actually doing anything about it? Other than posting their thoughts about it???

I mean if I thought the world was ending, posting pithy thoughts anonymously doesn’t seem like it’s going to do much to stop it from happening.

right now the conversation is convincing people it is happening. nobody here is being a slacktivist. strawman record on this thread

 

[shu09]

He hadnt been with TWC in 30 years during that bizarre interview. They also made it clear he doesnt speak for them.

The point is he was a meteorologist for a long time and is fully qualified to speak his mind.

 

[HALL85]

right now the conversation is convincing people it is happening. nobody here is being a slacktivist. strawman record on this thread

So you’ve done nothing. What’s your record of convincing people on an anonymous message board?

 

[shu09]

Imagine thinking we can pollute and pillage the planet with zero consequences.

We can't. Eventually natural resources will be exhausted if the human population continues to explode and consumption outpaces the earth's replenishment. Pollution is awful, I don't support it. I like to breath clean air. I think most do. Wanting to conserve resources and have clean air/water is a different conversation than fake global warming alarmism.

Of course, you didn't address anything in the actual post. You only attempted to distract. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

 

[Robot_Man]

Is anyone on this thread who believes there is an existential threat actually doing anything about it? Other than posting their thoughts about it???

I mean if I thought the world was ending, posting pithy thoughts anonymously doesn’t seem like it’s going to do much to stop it from happening.

I'm not sure if you're really looking for someone to answer this seriously and you're just trying to make a point, but I recently added some insulation and did some air sealing in my house. If it'll save me money in the long run and I can afford it now, I'll do it.

Individual choices are about as helpful as posting pithy anonymous thoughts online, though. You guys should stop carrying water for the energy industry and the petrostates, and then maybe the president wouldn't have to go to Saudi Arabia and kiss the ring of bone saw prince guy. It's a pretty gross business.

 

[shu09]

its called climate change not climated changed. congrats to your most moronic post today. a high bar. uconn degree on display.

LOL, droughts are a standard occurrence in various places throughout the year as weather patterns change.

 

[SHUSA]

So you’ve done nothing. What’s your record of convincing people on an anonymous message board?

there is no convincing any of you. ive realized that a while ago. youre just as bad as the people you condescend. or worse

 

[HALL85]

I'm not sure if you're really looking for someone to answer this seriously and you're just trying to make a point, but I recently added some insulation and did some air sealing in my house. If it'll save me money in the long run and I can afford it now, I'll do it.

Individual choices are about as helpful as posting pithy anonymous thoughts online, though. You guys should stop carrying water for the energy industry and the petrostates, and then maybe the president wouldn't have to go to Saudi Arabia and kiss the ring of bone saw prince guy. It's a pretty gross business.

I’m not carrying the water for anyone. I want the best decisions for the environment, economy, and energy independence that makes sense.

And I agree that it makes sense to be responsible as an individual. Good for you. I stated that several times previously.

I’m asking what actions anyone that is so concerned about this threat are taking beyond what they are doing personally.

 

[shu09]

there is no convincing any of you. ive realized that a while ago. youre just as bad as the people you condescend. or worse

Tough to convince anyone of anything when you don't present a cogent point of view. Non-factual, emotional rants don't get the job done in the real world.

 

[HALL85]

there is no convincing any of you. ive realized that a while ago. youre just as bad as the people you condescend. or worse

So why waste your valuable time here? If it’s an existential threat….go try to “convince” others you can save. You may want to venture out of your basement to do so.

 

[dehere23]

Also should acknowledge there the people fighting against renewable energy are the fossil fuel companies that are in bed with politicians as well here…

No renewable energy policy destroys the economy. Quite the opposite. A shame that narrative works so well.

1000% there are politicians in bed with the fossil fuel sector. I think they can only do so much though. Because history tells us cheaper, better realistic alternatives always win. With gas prices as they are, the price at the pump is a major concern for most everyday people. Right at the top with increased prices at the grocery store and for other widely used products. Alternatives have their moment now more than ever to show they are an option if in fact they are one that is more cost effective on a massive scale as opposed to only for certain groups or certain regions of the country.

 

[Robot_Man]

1000% there are politicians in bed with the fossil fuel sector. I think they can only do so much though. Because history tells us cheaper, better realistic alternatives always win. With gas prices as they are, the price at the pump is a major concern for most everyday people. Right at the top with increased prices at the grocery store and for other widely used products. Alternatives have their moment now more than ever to show they are an option if in fact they are one that is more cost effective on a massive scale as opposed to only for certain groups or certain regions of the country.

It could be possible, especially now with gas prices where they are. In Australia the pricing of new solar systems comes out to about $0.70 USD per watt. It's $2.77 on average in the US and that's too much for people like me right now, even though I would love nothing more than to have a solar array on my property. The US could simplify the permitting/building process like Australia did, but I doubt it will happen. There are tax credits, but they're phasing out and probably won't be extended.

Instead I get to pay almost $5 a gallon for gas and more money goes to energy companies and the petrostates. Love to give money to the country that absolutely knew about 9/11 before it happened and where 15/19 of the hijackers came from. Disgusting.

 

[CL82]

its called climate change not climated changed. congrats to your most moronic post today. a high bar. uconn degree on display.

I am entirely persuaded by your name calling. I get it, life can be frustrating sometimes and that makes you angry, am I right?

 

[CL82]

I recently added some insulation and did some air sealing in my house.

 

[Merge]

The issue for me is so few of their prior predictions have ever been remotely close to accurate.

Depends what you’re talking about specifically but there are some 50 years ago predicting where we would be today.

There will always be events that will impact the modeling though, like when there was a huge volcanic eruption in the Philippines which cooled the planet for 3 years. You have to adjust the models and predictions when stuff like that occurs. If other variables change over 20-30 years like population growth, reduced activity due to a global pandemic etc) you have to change your model as well.

 

[Merge]

Math can be a little problematic as well. If you do the math the total amount of admission of supposed global warming gases is negligible to the amount of volume of total gases in our atmosphere. But, but, but there are so many cars…. Yeah sorry, it’s just not a meaningful number. Well, even if you think there is a problem, the answer is that man’s impact is not material

How much benzene are you willing to accept in your drinking water?

Current requirement is 0.005 ppm.
I’m sure you’d be ok with 1 ppm since that’s such a small not meaningful number right? 1 drop out of a million couldn’t be harmful, right?

Carbon traps heat. After hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years Co2 in the atmosphere was typically between 200-300 ppm. Burning fossil fuels has pushed that to well over 400 ppm. Religion is believing we can stay on that trend with no consequence

and stop with the “if everyone switched to EVs tomorrow” nonsense. Unless you find a Genie that could manufacture them all, I think we’ll be ok.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

So, there would be a drought regardless of any alleged global warming. I mean, you get that from the text you quoted right?

Do you know what the moisture deficit actually is? If not, then do you know whether 42% of an unknown is actually a meaningful number? When water evaporates what happens to it? Does it disappear? Does it leave the planet ecosystem?

Just curious.

Where did anyone say a drought didnt exist before humans?

You're just cherry picking a part of a sentence in an article about humans effecting climate change in an attempt to muddy the waters.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Your thoughts on roads? Are there consequences to having roads? Where there was once dirt and grass absorbing water we now have concrete creating water vapor every time it rains. That’s not how the planet was meant to be. Forget getting rid of gas guzzling cars, let’s get rid of roads completely. We’re pillaging the planet with roads.

While youre trying to be a jerk, you're on the right track that impervious materials from urban sprawl make flooding worse. As "thousand year" and "hundred year" rain events become more common you'll have more flooding due to the water having nowhere to go.

We saw this first hand in NJ last summer.

Impervious Surfaces and Flooding | U.S. Geological Survey

The banner picture shows it all — Superhighways! Streets and pavement! Driveways! House roofs! These are all "impervious surfaces"; impervious to the water from precipitation. When it rains in this locale, water no longer seeps into the ground, but now runs off into storm sewers and then quickly...

www.usgs.gov

 

[Merge]

Where did anyone say a drought didnt exist before humans?

You're just cherry picking a part of a sentence in an article about humans effecting climate change in an attempt to muddy the waters.

Exactly.
Just because climate changes for various reasons regardless of human activity on it's own doesn't mean that humans can't also impact the climate.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

While youre trying to be a jerk, you're on the right track that impervious materials from urban sprawl make flooding worse. As "thousand year" and "hundred year" rain events become more common you'll have more flooding due to the water having nowhere to go.

We saw this first hand in NJ last summer.

Impervious Surfaces and Flooding | U.S. Geological Survey

The banner picture shows it all — Superhighways! Streets and pavement! Driveways! House roofs! These are all "impervious surfaces"; impervious to the water from precipitation. When it rains in this locale, water no longer seeps into the ground, but now runs off into storm sewers and then quickly...

www.usgs.gov

Thanks for not answering. Should we get rid of roads? That appears to be more of the answer than electric cars or gas cars. Find a different mode of transportation on a more eco friendly surface. That would be logical but that would hurt the people looking to make money with electric cars. Can't do that.

Imagine being okay with pillaging the earth with roads but not okay with fossil fuels.

 

[CL82]

Where did anyone say a drought didnt exist before humans?

You're just cherry picking a part of a sentence in an article about humans effecting climate change in an attempt to muddy the waters.

“Look look there’s a drought that proves global warming! Well, except that the so-called experts said there would’ve been a drought anyway…“

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

“Look look there’s a drought that proves global warming! Well, except that the so-called experts said there would’ve been a drought anyway…“

So you accept the experts words that the drought would of occured, but not their conclusion that human activites caused the drought to be worse?

That makes alot of sense.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Thanks for not answering. Should we get rid of roads? That appears to be more of the answer than electric cars or gas cars. Find a different mode of transportation on a more eco friendly surface. That would be logical but that would hurt the people looking to make money with electric cars. Can't do that.

Imagine being okay with pillaging the earth with roads but not okay with fossil fuels.

LMAO pass me the crack pipe. Nobody here suggested we get rid of roads, besides yourself. These insane scenarios you come up with just cannot be reasoned with.

Why don't you present us numbers for annual greenhouse gas emissions from combustion vehicles versus asphalt and we can weigh the difference.

 

[Merge]

Thanks for not answering. Should we get rid of roads? That appears to be more of the answer than electric cars or gas cars. Find a different mode of transportation on a more eco friendly surface. That would be logical but that would hurt the people looking to make money with electric cars. Can't do that.

Imagine being okay with pillaging the earth with roads but not okay with fossil fuels.

lol... Come on...

People want to stop polluting as much Co2 as we have been and you're acting like only the most drastic of measures should be done?

You're just as unreasonable as the people who want to only use wind and solar energy.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

LMAO pass me the crack pipe. Nobody here suggested we get rid of roads, besides yourself. These insane scenarios you come up with just cannot be reasoned with.

Why don't you present us numbers for annual greenhouse gas emissions from combustion vehicles versus asphalt and we can weigh the difference.

Of course nobody suggested getting rid of roads. For some reason that's not on the agenda. I'm asking if we should because if you honestly believe in the issue, that would be best for the planet 500 years from now. You said pillaging the planet has consequences. Don't you believe less asphalt and more dirt and grass is better for the planet? I'm asking why are we not concerned about this? Why does this get a pass? If you really believed the first part of what you spewed out, this would be on the agenda.

 

[Merge]

Of course nobody suggested getting rid of roads. For some reason that's not on the agenda.

Yes, for some reason... that reason is that it is dumb.

I'm asking if we should because that would be best for the planet.

No one is saying that everything you do must be what is best for the planet.

We are saying that while we are here... we should treat the planet well and limit our impact when we can.