IMO, dems are not as homogenous a group. There were Reagan democrats, but were there Clinton repubs? Obama repubs? Lord forbid accusing a repub of agreeing when Obama says today is a nice Tuesday. So yes, both parties have their core, but it is my opinion that a dem is more likely to vote top of ticket repub than visa versa.
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The only reason they would be denied a vote was because they are too lazy or don't care enough to get the prescribed ID. It would be by their own omission that they would not be allowed to vote. Do you want to go into the voting booth and interpret the ballot for them too?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html
There are millions of Americans who lack the required documents to get a voter ID.
That may sound odd to those of us here raised in middle class families, but that is the fact.
How about this. The day all legitimate Americans are able to get a voter ID card without any issues, we institute voter ID laws.
How about we also make election day a national holiday so everyone has the ability to get out and vote?
This is a terrible comment to make. If you have an ounce of class you should delete your own post.
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I'm asked just about every time I vote. The first couple times I politely declined to show ID, as is my right, but then I figured they're just old-timers doing what they're told to do. They're nice enough people...
From where I sit, it's the exact opposite. It's all about perspective, I guess. In recent months, I've seen a lot of liberals exhorting their friends on social media to vote Democrat "for the sake of the SCOTUS." That's about as ideology-driven as it gets; referring, of course to the social issues that the court has seen fit to legislate on.
When you say "Americans," you're talking citizens, correct? I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around "millions" of people with no form of ID whatsoever (nevermind a specific "voter ID").
I don't have a problem with election day being a national holiday; would that really affect voter turnout? The people you are characterizing clearly aren't working, since they have NO form of ID, no bus pass, no work ID, nothing. Maybe they are the working poor, illegal immigrants -- in which case they shouldn't be voting, anyway, right? I think you are guilty of overstating the case.
On voter fraud, however, I have first hand experience. I've probably told the story before, but after Kerry lost to GWB, and Ohio was the focus of the "swing states," MoveOn and like organizations began the process of moving people to Ohio to swing the next election. I was living there at the time, and it was astounding.
Given the current political climate, I think every last voter should have to prove they are who they say they are, and they should have established residency in the state they are voting in.
http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf
Poor old African Americans do not have ID. That is who you are trying to prevent from voting.
Poor old African Americans do not have ID. That is who you are trying to prevent from voting.
Ridiculous; I'm not trying to prevent anyone from voting.
I read the results of the telephone survey. How about presenting a telephone bill at the polling place?
As far as the study itself, 987 is a pretty low "n," and the margin for error is rather large. But your point is taken. The question, then, is "why?"
I read the results of the telephone survey. How about presenting a telephone bill at the polling place?
As far as the study itself, 987 is a pretty low "n," and the margin for error is rather large. But your point is taken. The question, then, is "why?"
Besides your driver's license what other government issued photo ID do you have? Perhaps a passport? In NJ, we find it difficult to believe that people do not have a government issued ID. But, for example, if you live in NYC and don't drive, many people do not have a driver's license as foreign as that may sound to us people in NJ. And I am sure that the percentage of Americans that have Passports is probably 50% maybe less.
I don't really know why. I'm assuming they just haven't needed one for many years.
I'm not saying we should never have voter ID. All I am saying is that we need to ensure all Americans should have the ability to obtain a voter ID easily before beginning that program, but we clearly aren't there yet have have begun to block legitimate Americans from being able to cast a vote... Because you have the presumption of guilt?
Per the attached study, 93% of adult Americans have a valid photo ID:
http://www.projectvote.org/wp-conte...WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf
http://www.projectvote.org/wp-conte...WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf
Doesn't that mean that over 21 million people don't have one? That's a lot of people. It is more than the Asian population in this country.
No, there are not 300 million legal adults in America, where did you ever get that number from?
And the high percent does matter.
You are right. I estimated on total population. According to the census, there are 316 million people and 76% are adults. So there are 240 million adults in the country. That still leaves 16.8 million people without photo ID. Still higher than the Asian population.
What do you mean you are lead to believe otherwise. I think asking Americans to provide a photo ID to vote with the understanding that millions of Americans will be unable to do so is a fairly large problem.
7% would not be able to vote. Of that amount, how many would actually vote? Since on average 54% of the people vote, say 4% of the population is harmed by voter ID laws. Basically little to no problem with voter ID laws.
I assume these voter ID laws are to prevent voter fraud. So there must be tremendous voter fraud out there. Or is there? How many cases of voter fraud have there been?
Anyone who prophets to have such a hard on for the Constitution should have a problem with any rule that would restrict ANY citizens right to vote, whether it's 4%, 7%, whatever.
There's no restrictions on anyone getting a photo ID.
Is it wrong that these same people can't board a plane or open a bank account?
I don't preach about voter fraud, I preach about fairness. Photo ID's to open a bank account or take a flight to see your family? Why these and not the other? Why do we prevent a whopping, overwhelming 7% of the population from these innocuous things?
Pretty surprised you would take that view honestly. That is a disturbingly large number of people that could have a huge impact in any election.... FAR exceeding any potential instances of voter fraud.
Err on the side of presumption of guilt?
All of them that I recall reading years ago. They all measured out a decade and assumed a large number would stay uninsured.
Of course not the one that michstfr posted years ago saying 30% of employers would drop their coverage entirely. Lol
Our definition of fair is apparently very different.
I'd rather fix the problems with citizens not having ID's BEFORE restricting access to voting...
In general I agree, but the fact that there were many situations where elderly African American citizens were not able to get a voter ID because they haven't needed ID for many many years should give us a little bit of pause and want to fix that problem before placing any restrictions on voting.
Veterans with PTSD are also having a hard time getting their license back as well because their license lapses and they lose one form of ID. Just another example of this administration and past administrations and the states not doing what needs to be done with our vets.
The fact remains this is all very fixable but noone wants to fix it.
Well, you need a photo ID to open up a bank account to prevent fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, check kiting etc. You need a photo ID to get on a plane due to safety concerns. The need for Photo ID is always based upon the concern of some fraud or safety measures. So, if Voter Fraud is not the reason, then there is no reason at all to require it. We both have never been asked for ID. So what is there reason to require it?
Basic fairness and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Why so fear-mongering and hawkish lately?? What happened to the Russian reset? The Cold War is over or was Romney 100% correct?
That is the thing - there is no outbreak of voter fraud. And the stats presented by SPK are the obvious reason why repubs have put this on the to do list. Is this even debatable?
Would dems do the same thing if it was determined that middle age white guys rarely have govt IDs? Maybe...lol.
It is hard for me to understand that not all people have govt issued IDs. But many people don't.
It is more hard to figure out why I have never showed my ID in a lifetime of voting. But the next time will be the first. And I have never known the people working in my precinct when I vote.
You and I don't have to show ID to vote, why should anyone else? Isn't that fair? If there is not a voter fraud issue, then what purpose does the Voter ID laws have? Perhaps it is to prevent the poor and African Americans to vote. I wonder how that would benefit one party over another? Hmm, perhaps it benefits the Republicans to disenfranchise 7% of the voting population in elections. That is a big swing in a lot of states.
BTW, Romney was not 100% correct because Russia is not the number 1 threat. The number 1 threat is still terrorism. But Romney was correct that Russia still is a big threat.
I can get on board with that.
Step 1. Make it fair - Ensure all valid citizens are able to obtain voter identification
Step 2. Prevent voter fraud though use of voter ID
You seem to be putting step 2 ahead of step 1.
