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Hello. See the latest research from science magazine. There is a lot of unknown about this disease but further research is showing immunity wanes quickly. This is why I think we will be dealing for this pandemic for years to come. People will not be willing to get the vaccine every year. The media will label it as "vaccine fatigue". Please note we are still in the very beginning of this pandemic.

More people are getting COVID-19 twice, suggesting immunity wanes quickly in some
Reinfections give scientists clues about how long protection lasts—and how well vaccines might perform
www.sciencemag.org
 
Good Evening. Please continue to take the proper precautions for the holiday this Thursday:

1. When going inside or staying in your home please wear a mask. I wear a mask all day in my house. Its really not that big of a deal

2. If going to another house please self quarantine 14 days after going to your family's member house. You can carry the virus with no symptoms.
 
Hello. More bad news about the virus. 2,100 deaths recorded yesterday. You just can't have numbers like this going into winter. I fear what the next couple weeks will bring after Americans insist having regular thanksgiving parties this year. A very, very dark time in this country. As this article stated, things are only going to get a lot worse from here.

As the professor from GW said in this article, Thanksgiving will be the "Mother of all Super Spreaders"

US Coronavirus: The country reported more than 2,100 deaths in a single day. Things are projected to get worse (msn.com)
 
HALL85 said:
Have confirmed that several local hospitals Will be receiving vaccines for Frontline workers by December 11.
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Not going to pop the champagne yet! Remember, it still very possible the vaccines do not do the job if the American people don't take it.
 
HALL85 said:
Have confirmed that several local hospitals Will be receiving vaccines for Frontline workers by December 11.
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That's great news!

1. Will it be the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine or both?
2. Will the EUA be approved before the vaccines are distributed?
3. Who is notifying the hospitals of the vaccine's arrival - the Companies, OWS, the FDA or another organization?
4. Does your contact have any insight into how the vaccine will be distributed within their network?
5. What provisions are being taken regarding the storage conditions (particularly related to the Pfizer vaccine)?
6. Is this part of a national rollout or is this a pilot program to test a national rollout?
 
knowknow456 said:
That's great news!

1. Will it be the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine or both?
2. Will the EUA be approved before the vaccines are distributed?
3. Who is notifying the hospitals of the vaccine's arrival - the Companies, OWS, the FDA or another organization?
4. Does your contact have any insight into how the vaccine will be distributed within their network?
5. What provisions are being taken regarding the storage conditions (particularly related to the Pfizer vaccine)?
6. Is this part of a national rollout or is this a pilot program to test a national rollout?
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Thank for the questions. I am very interested to see how @Hallsome answers these questions. A lot of people on this board think the vaccine will be the end all and be all. This is just not the case. Posters like @Merge will disagree. I still think we will be fighting against this pandemic for 2 to 3 years.
 
shufan1993 said:
Thank for the questions. I am very interested to see how @Hallsome answers these questions. A lot of people on this board think the vaccine will be the end all and be all. This is just not the case. Posters like @Merge will disagree. I still think we will be fighting against this pandemic for 2 to 3 years.
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My answers are maybe. Get real.
 
knowknow456 said:
That's great news!

1. Will it be the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine or both?
2. Will the EUA be approved before the vaccines are distributed?
3. Who is notifying the hospitals of the vaccine's arrival - the Companies, OWS, the FDA or another organization?
4. Does your contact have any insight into how the vaccine will be distributed within their network?
5. What provisions are being taken regarding the storage conditions (particularly related to the Pfizer vaccine)?
6. Is this part of a national rollout or is this a pilot program to test a national rollout?
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@HALL85 Can you please answer these questions? Thank you!
 
Hello, hello. The projections are just getting worse and worse. Because of large group gatherings on Thanksgiving death numbers for covid are going to double soon. In a few weeks experts are now predicting 4000+ deaths a day in this country. It appears I was right when I said the second wave would be worse than the first.

www.cnn.com

US is 'rounding the corner into a calamity,' expert says, with Covid-19 deaths projected to double soon | CNN

As Thanksgiving week draws to an end, more experts are warning the Covid-19 pandemic will likely get much worse in the coming weeks before a possible vaccine begins to offer some relief.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
I would advise all members on this board to hunker down the next few months. Thank you.
 
HALL85 said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-...-suicides-in-october-than-total-covid-deaths/

Unintended consequences of lockdowns/isolating ....the estimate of suicides for the US is daunting.
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I don’t agree with how you’re framing that. How do you know that a change in suicide rates has more to do with isolation than the economic impact of a global pandemic which has killed 270k?

Can you support that there is an increase in suicide rates, and that they are due to lockdowns?

Seems that it would be easy to support your premise. 2020 rates would be higher in states where there were more lockdown measures in place and other states would have remained the same. Is that what happened?
 
Merge said:
I don’t agree with how you’re framing that. How do you know that a change in suicide rates has more to do with isolation than the economic impact of a global pandemic which has killed 270k?

Can you support that there is an increase in suicide rates, and that they are due to lockdowns?

Seems that it would be easy to support your premise. 2020 rates would be higher in states where there were more lockdown measures in place and other states would have remained the same. Is that what happened?
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I’m not making this a state by state issue. Any healthcare expert will tell you that we are in a mental health crisis because of the pandemic. The more you isolate someone, take things away and change their routine, you add risk to their mental health. We have had 30k more deaths of Alzheimer’s this year primarily attributabled to “death by loneliness”. We rightfully focus on the 270k COVID deaths but ignore the deaths that will occur by lockdown and other restrictive actions which may end up being just as material.
 
HALL85 said:
I’m not making this a state by state issue. Any healthcare expert will tell you that we are in a mental health crisis because of the pandemic. The more you isolate someone, take things away and change their routine, you add risk to their mental health. We have had 30k more deaths of Alzheimer’s this year primarily attributabled to “death by loneliness”. We rightfully focus on the 270k COVID deaths but ignore the deaths that will occur by lockdown and other restrictive actions which may end up being just as material.
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The government is doing this for a reason!
 
HALL85 said:
I’m not making this a state by state issue. Any healthcare expert will tell you that we are in a mental health crisis because of the pandemic. The more you isolate someone, take things away and change their routine, you add risk to their mental health. We have had 30k more deaths of Alzheimer’s this year primarily attributabled to “death by loneliness”. We rightfully focus on the 270k COVID deaths but ignore the deaths that will occur by lockdown and other restrictive actions which may end up being just as material.
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But I don’t believe states with more restrictions had a higher increase in suicide rates compared to states with little to no restrictions, so I just didn’t agree with placing blame for suicides as an unintended consequence of lockdowns.

In fact, there is a study from Massachusetts which looked into that question and found it wasn’t true.

www.medrxiv.org

Suicide Deaths during the Stay-at-Home Advisory in Massachusetts

Many believe that shelter-in-place or stay-at-home policies might cause an increase in so-called deaths of despair. While increases in psychiatric stressors during the COVID-19 pandemic are anticipated, whether suicide rates changed during stay-at-home periods has not been described. This was...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org

Not to say we shouldn’t be doing more to protect the mental health of the public during a pandemic. We should be doing more especially helping people financially.
 
Merge said:
But I don’t believe states with more restrictions had a higher increase in suicide rates compared to states with little to no restrictions, so I just didn’t agree with placing blame for suicides as an unintended consequence of lockdowns.

In fact, there is a study from Massachusetts which looked into that question and found it wasn’t true.

www.medrxiv.org

Suicide Deaths during the Stay-at-Home Advisory in Massachusetts

Many believe that shelter-in-place or stay-at-home policies might cause an increase in so-called deaths of despair. While increases in psychiatric stressors during the COVID-19 pandemic are anticipated, whether suicide rates changed during stay-at-home periods has not been described. This was...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org

Not to say we shouldn’t be doing more to protect the mental health of the public during a pandemic. We should be doing more especially helping people financially.
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Any study right now is just scratching the surface. Number of suicides as a result of the pandemic and draconian actions will take time to measure. My point is as we make some of these decisions on lockdowns and restricting freedoms that we also need to consider the unintended consequences and deaths that occur because of some of those decisions that are not from COVID itself.
 
Interesting factoid...

OWS and the US are not the only effort, obviously, to get in line for the vaccine. I am NOT saying that was the only purpose of OWS, but the Pfizer argument was the $2bn commitment was important for the development.

Clearly smaller scale, but it was important to back several horses for the race. I’ve read that if the majority of vaccines make their way to approval, Canada has secured commitments to vaccinate the entire population 5x over.

Again, not getting into a pissing match here because developers couldn’t produce enough in 2021 to vaccinate the US population 5x over. But very interesting strong play by Canada. I’m sure they’re not first in line, but I wonder if they will win the race to majority vaccination.
 
sami said:
Interesting factoid...

OWS and the US are not the only effort, obviously, to get in line for the vaccine. I am NOT saying that was the only purpose of OWS, but the Pfizer argument was the $2bn commitment was important for the development.

Clearly smaller scale, but it was important to back several horses for the race. I’ve read that if the majority of vaccines make their way to approval, Canada has secured commitments to vaccinate the entire population 5x over.

Again, not getting into a pissing match here because developers couldn’t produce enough in 2021 to vaccinate the US population 5x over. But very interesting strong play by Canada. I’m sure they’re not first in line, but I wonder if they will win the race to majority vaccination.
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Agree...every country is jockeying to get vaccine to their population. As I said earlier, OWS and the $2B had nothing to do with development. The commitment mostly was to assist Pfizer in scaling production and doing it in parallel. I’m also guessing there was a commitment to prioritize US distribution.
 
HALL85 said:
Any study right now is just scratching the surface. Number of suicides as a result of the pandemic and draconian actions will take time to measure. My point is as we make some of these decisions on lockdowns and restricting freedoms that we also need to consider the unintended consequences and deaths that occur because of some of those decisions that are not from COVID itself.
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Right, anything takes time to understand which is why I disagreed with your post placing blame on lockdowns. To date there is really not much to support that suicides are Increasing as an unintended consequence of a lockdown.

Of course we need to consider everything when making decisions... But you seem to be implying that without lockdowns, suicides would be lower. I don’t believe that is supportable at this point.
 
Merge said:
Right, anything takes time to understand which is why I disagreed with your post placing blame on lockdowns. To date there is really not much to support that suicides are Increasing as an unintended consequence of a lockdown.

Of course we need to consider everything when making decisions... But you seem to be implying that without lockdowns, suicides would be lower. I don’t believe that is supportable at this point.
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I am only going by what health professionals are telling me right now. The more restrictive conditions the more likely that we will be facing higher suicide rates. Time will tell.
 
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HALL85 said:
I am only going by what health professionals are telling me right now. The more restrictive conditions the more likely that we will be facing higher suicide rates. Time will tell.
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Exactly. Time will tell. So far though, it’s a theory based on a reasonable guess but appears that it is probably not accurate.


We will still have to deal with the potential increases anxiety and depression, but I wouldn’t say lockdowns contributed more to that then the hundreds of thousands of people dying from a pandemic.
 
Merge said:
Exactly. Time will tell. So far though, it’s a theory based on a reasonable guess but appears that it is probably not accurate.


We will still have to deal with the potential increases anxiety and depression, but I wouldn’t say lockdowns contributed more to that then the hundreds of thousands of people dying from a pandemic.
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imo, and from personal experience its more related to people not being able to have a job because everything is locked up. even companies who are doing wel wont hire because there is so much uncertainty. money is the root of all evil and right now there is an insane amount of people whose life's work/prospects have vanished.

thats in addition to people going nuts for reasons stated above.
 
SHUSA said:
imo, and from personal experience its more related to people not being able to have a job because everything is locked up. even companies who are doing wel wont hire because there is so much uncertainty. money is the root of all evil and right now there is an insane amount of people whose life's work/prospects have vanished.

thats in addition to people going nuts for reasons stated above.
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Absolutely. Unfortunately suicides typically increase when our economy struggles. I thought very early on that the government would need to provide money to people until this was over. Politicians on both sides completely failed us there.
 
Merge said:
Absolutely. Unfortunately suicides typically increase when our economy struggles. I thought very early on that the government would need to provide money to people until this was over. Politicians on both sides completely failed us there.
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and residual effects of people having enormous gaps on their resume/pricing themselves down with a much lower position or pay scale. hopefully employers have this in mind when things go back to normally but i doubt it
 
30,000 doses of convalescent plasma are being transfused to COVID patients each week....double that from last month. 1 in 5 patients are receiving the therapy and it is preferred over Remdesivir.
 
SHUSA said:
and residual effects of people having enormous gaps on their resume/pricing themselves down with a much lower position or pay scale. hopefully employers have this in mind when things go back to normally but i doubt it
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Companies still doing well maybe not small business but look at everything out there that dan price tweets. If you were a healthy executive 8 months ago you are very healthy now
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Companies still doing well maybe not small business but look at everything out there that dan price tweets. If you were a healthy executive 8 months ago you are very healthy now
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of course. they just have an excuse to staff correctly and double current employees workloads while giving a paycut because at least they didnt lay you off!
 
knowknow456 said:
That's great news!

1. Will it be the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine or both?
2. Will the EUA be approved before the vaccines are distributed?
3. Who is notifying the hospitals of the vaccine's arrival - the Companies, OWS, the FDA or another organization?
4. Does your contact have any insight into how the vaccine will be distributed within their network?
5. What provisions are being taken regarding the storage conditions (particularly related to the Pfizer vaccine)?
6. Is this part of a national rollout or is this a pilot program to test a national rollout?
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@HALL85 Can you or your "contact" help us answer these questions? Thank you!
 
knowknow456 said:
That's great news!

1. Will it be the Pfizer vaccine or the Moderna vaccine or both?
2. Will the EUA be approved before the vaccines are distributed?
3. Who is notifying the hospitals of the vaccine's arrival - the Companies, OWS, the FDA or another organization?
4. Does your contact have any insight into how the vaccine will be distributed within their network?
5. What provisions are being taken regarding the storage conditions (particularly related to the Pfizer vaccine)?
6. Is this part of a national rollout or is this a pilot program to test a national rollout?
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@HALL85 I'm shocked you haven't answered these simple questions yet. You seem to be "in the know". Can you answer these simple questions? Thank you.
 
Hello. 6,046 new cases reported today 12/06/2020. That is my post. Some posters on this board this pandemic as "Levelled off". These are terrible, terrible numbers. And we aren't even in the winter until December 20th. It looks like I am right. The second wave is worse than the first wave.

New Jersey COVID-19 Data Dashboard
Visit the COVID-19 dashboard to learn where positive COVID-19 test results are occurring by county, as well as the total number of confirmed cases in New Jersey.
covid19.nj.gov
 
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