Moderna vaccine induced antibodies in all trial participants: paper
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Other nations are but the way it’s been politicized here is off the charts. Talk to anyone from Europe and that is the impression they have.
Some might be, I don't know. What I do know is that's what's happening in this country.
Of course not, but not everyone shut down and some opted for more external containment strategies.
Right, and each situation is different.
I just don’t buy into the idea of Governors creating a huge economic problem in their state just to hurt Trump... and it’s not like what we were doing was unprecedented.
No, a lot of Governors are just doing stupid stuff. Tell me supporting protests while they limit gatherings isn’t political and meant to hurt Trump?
well you should because it gives context to the seriousness of it. are we doing anything that far off the average? nah. if we were maybe the conspiracy would be less apparent. funny to believe the far left idiots somehow are also deep state agents able to pull of total govt domination over the US population. ya know, the same side that couldnt even figure out how to beat donald trump. its honestly giving them too much credit.
talk to anyone from europe lmao this the european version of "i have a black friend!"
Trump isn't from the globalist establishment (UN types, CFR, EU, etc). He is a crude, brash outsider. This is why he was elected (the people had enough) and it is why the media and US political establishment have been against him from the very second he announced his campaign. Every US president since Kennedy (with the exception of Reagan) has been groomed by the globalists to run the country. It's no coincidence that Kennedy and Reagan were targeted for assassination, they didn't go along with what the puppet masters wanted. In 2016 it was supposed to be Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton, but Trump blew up those plans. It's why they treated his campaign as a joke, trying to discredit him, until it was too late and it became clear that he was going to win the nomination. Then they threw the Russia stuff at him. The Access Hollywood tape was the October surprise that year and it failed.
He certainly doesn't help matters with his narcissism and thin skin, but he has been treated as unfairly as any US president in my lifetime and in quite a while from what I know about history.
so wait, the guy who isnt from the global estabishment is running the country that is enforcing population control through wearing masks? the country being run by the anti establishment president is also in charge of imposing the establishment will?
does not compute. much like ur angst against mask freedoms but interest in keeping a plant illegal. pick one.
quick to realize ur the type of person whose first girlfriend went to another school.
Last I checked, the president has rightly resisted calls for a national mask mandate. But he may give in. Hope he doesn't.
Was this post more or less useful than the last few pages of people attempting to engage the board's most active tinfoil hat wearing narcissist in good faith? Tough to say.
And now in attempt to shift away from the Info Wars Variety Hour for the handful of reasonable people that read threads like this, I wanted to get into long term affects/can people catch this more than once?
- There are people who have innate immunity to this. This could be why a large percentage of the population are asymptomatic AND they don't develop antibodies. This is why most/but not all children *seem* to be ok with this virus. Innate immunity is simply inherited from mostly genetics/maternal immunity. In this scenario no antibodies are produced (at least not to significant amounts) because the body doesn't need them to fight off the infection.
However, there is a subset of the population who appear healthy & viable - but they have a severe reaction. This shows up in younger adults AND children. Either they have unknown underlying preconditions or they lack all components of whatever innate immunity others have.
- People who have severe reactions to the virus tend to develop significant antibodies - if they survive. This follows the adaptive immunity response: Your body is presented with a pathogen & it produces antibodies to it.
There may be people with innate immunity, but pre-existing conditions complicate the response. This makes them more dependent upon adaptive immunity, but their system is already broken in a way. The elderly, tend to fall into this category, as well as people with high levels of inflammation: diabetes, hypertension, etc.
- Additionally, there are many approaches for CV. While it primarily affects the respiratory system, it's more alarming with regard to other things: renal failure, stroke, blot clots, etc. These issues seem to arise in seemingly "healthy" people - which in my mind means, it's slipping past the innate immune response and causing problems completely different from the "traditional" respiratory illness. This may point to underlying causes we're unaware of.
- The long term damage is a legit thing. This shit basically scars lungs & damages kidneys.
So, is there a chance your innate immunity fights it off, and then you get to go for round two? Perhaps.
Should we dash all hope a vaccine will help? No.
Should we take this as a really important lesson, and prepare for the next pandemic? Abso-f'ing-lutely
Should we all wear masks & social distance? YES.
I've known quite a few people who have gone through this. It isn't easy, but most of them report resting and doing breathing exercises daily. They describe it as "fighting" with their lungs, but if they don't, they fear pneumonia. And in Florida right now, ICUs are overwhelmed.
What pisses me off the most, more than the contrarian general populace, is the moist hog would-be fascist in the White House trying to knee-cap the ACA even more right now. It's disgusting.
- There are people who have innate immunity to this. This could be why a large percentage of the population are asymptomatic AND they don't develop antibodies. This is why most/but not all children *seem* to be ok with this virus. Innate immunity is simply inherited from mostly genetics/maternal immunity. In this scenario no antibodies are produced (at least not to significant amounts) because the body doesn't need them to fight off the infection.
However, there is a subset of the population who appear healthy & viable - but they have a severe reaction. This shows up in younger adults AND children. Either they have unknown underlying preconditions or they lack all components of whatever innate immunity others have.
- People who have severe reactions to the virus tend to develop significant antibodies - if they survive. This follows the adaptive immunity response: Your body is presented with a pathogen & it produces antibodies to it.
- In theory - if the body develops antibodies, it should be immune unless it mutates.
- Yes, the virus has mutated....but not in virulence that they've observed so far. The mutation makes it more infectious (European/ American strains) but not more virulent.
- We don't know how long those antibodies will last, but serum transplants tend to help those in ICU when administered with sufficient time to save them.
There may be people with innate immunity, but pre-existing conditions complicate the response. This makes them more dependent upon adaptive immunity, but their system is already broken in a way. The elderly, tend to fall into this category, as well as people with high levels of inflammation: diabetes, hypertension, etc.
- Additionally, there are many approaches for CV. While it primarily affects the respiratory system, it's more alarming with regard to other things: renal failure, stroke, blot clots, etc. These issues seem to arise in seemingly "healthy" people - which in my mind means, it's slipping past the innate immune response and causing problems completely different from the "traditional" respiratory illness. This may point to underlying causes we're unaware of.
- The long term damage is a legit thing. This shit basically scars lungs & damages kidneys.
So, is there a chance your innate immunity fights it off, and then you get to go for round two? Perhaps.
Should we dash all hope a vaccine will help? No.
Should we take this as a really important lesson, and prepare for the next pandemic? Abso-f'ing-lutely
Should we all wear masks & social distance? YES.
I've known quite a few people who have gone through this. It isn't easy, but most of them report resting and doing breathing exercises daily. They describe it as "fighting" with their lungs, but if they don't, they fear pneumonia. And in Florida right now, ICUs are overwhelmed.
What pisses me off the most, more than the contrarian general populace, is the moist hog would-be fascist in the White House trying to knee-cap the ACA even more right now. It's disgusting.
It definitely seems less virulent and more contagious now. I view that as positive news as fewer people will have complications.
ICUs in Florida are not overwhelmed, at least not in the most populated places (Miami, Broward, Palm Beach, etc). The numbers just don't bear that out.
https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-coronavirus-map-hospital-beds-july-27/33435359#
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429
ICUs in Florida are not overwhelmed, at least not in the most populated places (Miami, Broward, Palm Beach, etc). The numbers just don't bear that out.
https://www.wpbf.com/article/florida-coronavirus-map-hospital-beds-july-27/33435359#
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429
I don't think there is any evidence that the virus has shifted to be less virulent and more contagious.
It's more likely the same as it has been, we are just doing a better job detecting and treating.
This will be an important week for Florida. Signs are showing that the spread is slowing but Miami and Broward represent 25% of the states ICU capacity and they are currently 90% full.
Florida ICU beds available - 1,027
Total Census of ICU Beds - 5,192
Availability by % - 16.51%
The link below is generally real time; I tend to check once a day. You can play with the tabs to get county specific information
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...unty?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
Total Census of ICU Beds - 5,192
Availability by % - 16.51%
The link below is generally real time; I tend to check once a day. You can play with the tabs to get county specific information
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...unty?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
Well this young man has an interesting take
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/...oronavirus-nba-basketball-spt-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/...oronavirus-nba-basketball-spt-intl/index.html
Dude never got vaccinated. I would hope he never contracts chicken pox/shingles because it wont be pretty.
Good for him for speaking up. Many people feel the same way. Now he'll be chastised by the mob and forced to "apologize" since his opinion doesn't conform to the media's agenda.
Shu09 dude is an uninformed early 20 something, nba dictated a controlled enviroment only way he is playing now
Kind of like when certain NBA players came out saying they thought the earth was flat. Something which “many people feel the same way”
A conspiracy theory which believes the government doesn’t want us to know the earth is flat so they can control us all.
Since we all fell for the earth being round, we are now willing to wear masks. Because we are willing to wear masks, who knows what we will be willing to do next. Bunch of sheep.
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Porter believes the virus is being used to control the masses globally, and he is correct in a sense there, freedoms have evaporated. When those freedoms return is anyone's guess. The thing I find funny is the nuggets talked to him about his belief. They never talk to any players about wacky liberal opinions.
I don't think Porter is saying that they are trying to control the the size of of the population.
I think he is saying that the government is making controlling decisions without the normal law making process.
I don't think it's fair to compare his comments to somebody suggesting that the Earth is flat.
I think he is saying that the government is making controlling decisions without the normal law making process.
I don't think it's fair to compare his comments to somebody suggesting that the Earth is flat.
Not remotely close to what he said.
"It's being used for population control in just terms of being able to control the masses of people. I mean because of the virus the whole world is being controlled."
Some people believe that the government doesn't want to let us know that the earth is flat in order to control us.
Some people believe that the government is making us wear masks in order to control us.
Comparable and a bit silly.
I don't agree with your interpretation of his remarks. You're reading way too much into it.
Lol. I'm reading too much into it but you can think he is talking about the normal process of writing laws? Something he made zero reference to? righhhhttt....
I wouldn't either.
I thin there is a significant difference between people who believe governors overstepped and those who believe the government is trying to control the masses by making us wear masks.
Even vaccinated people can get shingles. And you can't get shingles without first having had the chicken pox. C'mon doc, this is 2nd year of medical school stuff.
There are, tragically, many more of the latter than we know. One thing I know is that if this virus had hit next year, Trump would be re-elected, because Biden might be as bad an opponent as Hillary -- possibly worse with some of the off-the-wall things he says and does. So you will have a lot of people on the left "happy" about the virus, if it gets Trump out, which it likely will. Just for argument's sake -- and I'm not the conspiracy theory type -- would it be such a stretch to think that the longer it takes to "re-open," and see an economic bounce-back, the better for the Governors who were already outspoken against the current administration, with many suing Trump several times over?
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Is it not being used to control the population? You must comply with x, y, and z the government is saying. 328 million people in our country and everyone is under these orders. Whatever the underlying reasons, the population is at the whim of governors right now.
In order to get a country's economy back in order if you are not a millionaire/billionaire, is a mass amount of health and wellness and 5 months people of this country havent had the discipline, tact and care to do so.
Health is wealth.
I agree. Consider, though, as the small business man goes under, Jeff Bezos gets richer and richer. Our Amazon purchases have tripled in the past 5 months -- and a large percentage of it was necessities.
In mental capacity, sure. but people do not hate Biden like they did Hillary and 2016 was really close. Economy was humming and Biden was still leading Trump head to head in polling.
Again, Biden was last on my list. I didn't vote for him in the primary. I'm not looking to defend Biden at all... only as a comparison to Trump would I do so.
I see what you are saying, but no, I do not believe Murphy would hurt NJ's economy just to hurt Trump's chances. I don't think it makes any sense to do so... and looking at Florida right now, it's not like they are anti-Trump there and their economy is getting hammered as well. We would have been in the same place economically (or potentially worse) without a shutdown.
I understand the small percentage of richest have greatly expanded their wealth portfolio in 5 months.
