Moving to Phase II

[HALL85]

My point was we can't overreact to the emotions of negativity vs China. We will kill more Americans because they don't get their medications than the Coronavirus will kill. So they have to proceed with caution.

Yes, agree. You don’t unwind years of investment and dependence that quickly. This will have to be a long game strategy and hopefully administrations going forward have the tenacity to play the long game.

I’d like to be a little optimistic and say we will because this pandemic killed tens of thousands of people and struck at the core of our culture in many ways.

 

[SPK145]

China owns many of our industries now. Would be great to kick them in the nuts but how do you put that toothpaste back in the tube? Would be great to bring back as much to the US but then things will be materially more expensive. Barring that, help companies move out of China to friendly countries, etc.?

 

[shu09]

Who does the piece of trash we call our governor think he is?


This is the antitheses of freedom and liberty. We have a fascist in Trenton.

 

[Section112]

He opened the golf courses but with significant stipulations. Twosomes only and 16 minutes apart. My public course is already booked for a week. At some point he's got to give it up a little and allow folks to make reasonable decisions. Certain things like being outside and keeping your distance are OK and actually good for your health.

 

[shu09]

He opened the golf courses but with significant stipulations. Twosomes only and 16 minutes apart. My public course is already booked for a week. At some point he's got to give it up a little and allow folks to make reasonable decisions. Certain things like being outside and keeping your distance are OK and actually good for your health.

I was lucky to make a time for Saturday. The rules he's forcing the courses to follow are absurd. Luckily you can play in more than groups of 2 if you're immediate family.

I hate to say it because he was terrible, but I miss Christie. I don't think we'd have so many restrictions if he was in charge.

 

[SPK145]

You vill do vhat ve say.

 

[HALL85]

I was lucky to make a time for Saturday. The rules he's forcing the courses to follow are absurd. Luckily you can play in more than groups of 2 if you're immediate family.

I hate to say it because he was terrible, but I miss Christie. I don't think we'd have so many restrictions if he was in charge.

These rules are silly when you’re talking about 100 acres where no one is no closer than 250 yards away from the next group. At anytime there’s going to be about 36 golfers on the entire course, while Home Depot who is the most restrictive big box let’s 100 shoppers roam.

 

[shu09]

These rules are silly when you’re talking about 100 acres where no one is no closer than 250 yards away from the next group. At anytime there’s going to be about 36 golfers on the entire course, while Home Depot who is the most restrictive big box let’s 100 shoppers roam.

How are the rules in PA? From what I see, no limit on group size or extra spacing of tee times. I may head there in future weekends if NJ proves to be too difficult to get a time.

 

[HALL85]

How are the rules in PA? From what I see, no limit on group size or extra spacing of tee times. I may head there in future weekends if NJ proves to be too difficult to get a time.

At public courses, foursomes allowed, one person to a cart but you can put two sets of clubs on one cart. Have seen rules from four private clubs, same thing. 12 minutes seems to be rule. No rakes, use your feet to smooth traps and can take relief if your ball is in a footprint in trap. Separate on green. Our club has food available outside of grill and halfway house but lockeroom and pro shop closed. Same cart option for foursomes. No driving range, putting green limited to group on deck. Try Riverview in Easton...convenient and should be in good shape.

 

[Pirata]

We can have spouses ride in the same cart. Non-spouses with two players can share the cart to carry the bags but only one rider.

Same deal with the traps. Not sure about the pins.

Clubs and shoes have to be taken home. No caddies. Pull carts are now allowed for those who wish to walk.

Pro shop is closed.

My Friday tee time is likely rained out. First world problem.

 

[Merge]

I was lucky to make a time for Saturday. The rules he's forcing the courses to follow are absurd. Luckily you can play in more than groups of 2 if you're immediate family.

I hate to say it because he was terrible, but I miss Christie. I don't think we'd have so many restrictions if he was in charge.

Agree with you on Murphy. There was a much better way to say what he said.

Should have said that it is a test, and if we all work together we can keep the parks open and expand to the next phase. He came off like an @ss instead.

On something like this, I would probably prefer Christie's style as well actually. He had a way of cutting through BS that I liked early in his term. He probably would have called people out who were't taking the threat seriously enough initially, but agree he would be providing a clearer picture about how we move forward.

 

[shufan1993]

Hi all. This is what I have been trying to explain to people on this board but people do not want to listen. We are in the long haul for this. This fall/winter will be an absolute disaster for our health system. People will be admitting for the seasonal flu and the Coronavirus during the second wave. Governor's might lighten restrictions this summer but a lockdown will be strictly enforced again in September or October 2020. Two years from now we will still be doing this. By then people will adapt to this behavior. Our lives will extremely be changed for the rest of our lives. People will have to wear masks in public places and social distance for the rest of our lives.

The experts in this article said states should prepare for "scenario 2" because this will most likely happen. This is the scenario where mitigation is reinstituted and the wave will be worse than what is currently happening. Theses are experts that have been studying pandemics all of their lives. If we can't listen and trust these people I don't know who else we can listen too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

 

[Save Continental]

Hi all,

can anyone tell me if we will be wearing masks and social distancing for the rest of our lives. I really would like to know but can’t find any thoughts on the matter. Thank you.

 

[Pirata]

Elon Musk was flaming off in his Q1 results call.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/elon-musk-slams-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-orders-as-fascist.html

 

[shufan1993]

Hi all,

can anyone tell me if we will be wearing masks and social distancing for the rest of our lives. I really would like to know but can’t find any thoughts on the matter. Thank you.

Its the truth!

 

[shu09]

Elon Musk was flaming off in his Q1 results call.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/elon-musk-slams-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-orders-as-fascist.html

Not a fan of him but he's right.

 

[shu09]

At public courses, foursomes allowed, one person to a cart but you can put two sets of clubs on one cart. Have seen rules from four private clubs, same thing. 12 minutes seems to be rule. No rakes, use your feet to smooth traps and can take relief if your ball is in a footprint in trap. Separate on green. Our club has food available outside of grill and halfway house but lockeroom and pro shop closed. Same cart option for foursomes. No driving range, putting green limited to group on deck. Try Riverview in Easton...convenient and should be in good shape.

Thanks. I've played Riverview before, nice place. Poconos are good too. Great Bear is a good track, Jack Frost is tremendous. Blue Ridge Trail is another good one if you don't mind driving further out 80.

 

[shu09]

Hi all. This is what I have been trying to explain to people on this board but people do not want to listen. We are in the long haul for this. This fall/winter will be an absolute disaster for our health system. People will be admitting for the seasonal flu and the Coronavirus during the second wave. Governor's might lighten restrictions this summer but a lockdown will be strictly enforced again in September or October 2020. Two years from now we will still be doing this. By then people will adapt to this behavior. Our lives will extremely be changed for the rest of our lives. People will have to wear masks in public places and social distance for the rest of our lives.

The experts in this article said states should prepare for "scenario 2" because this will most likely happen. This is the scenario where mitigation is reinstituted and the wave will be worse than what is currently happening. Theses are experts that have been studying pandemics all of their lives. If we can't listen and trust these people I don't know who else we can listen too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/30/health/report-covid-two-more-years/index.html

Nothing but pure panic porn. 1918-19 is an outlier because of the war.

 

[shufan1993]

Governor Murphy will close parks and golf courses after this weekend.

 

[shu09]

Governor Murphy will close parks and golf courses after this weekend.

He'd be incredibly stupid to do that. Unfortunately, he has already proven his stupidity.

 

[shufan1993]

Nothing but pure panic porn. 1918-19 is an outlier because of the war.

Everything is panic to you. When will you actually smell the coffee and realize this is a HUGE deal?

 

[shu09]

Everything is panic to you. When will you actually smell the coffee and realize this is a HUGE deal?

Seems like you're the one panicking.

 

[shufan1993]

Seems like you're the one panicking.

Nope I'm the one appropriately warning everyone what the future holds. But I guess you don't care. That's fine.

 

[shu09]

Nope I'm the one appropriately warning everyone what the future holds. But I guess you don't care. That's fine.

hahahah. No, to be honest I think you're kinda nuts. And no, I don't care if I get the virus. I believe I've already had it, but if I haven't and I get it I'll likely be fine as will 98-99% of others who get it. And if I did have a rare bad outcome, I have no regrets. I've lived a good life.

 

[shufan1993]

hahahah. No, to be honest I think you're kinda nuts. And no, I don't care if I get the virus. I believe I've already had it, but if I haven't and I get it I'll likely be fine as will 98-99% of others who get it. And if I did have a rare bad outcome, I have no regrets. I've lived a good life.

You still don't get it. A lot of people have died because of this virus and you say stuff like this. Really sad. Rest in peace to everyone who has died of the Coronavirus.

 

[shu09]

You still don't get it. A lot of people have died because of this virus and you say stuff like this. Really sad. Rest in peace to everyone who has died of the Coronavirus.

Actually my estimate of 98-99% of people being fine may be too low. Here is another model, one which predicts continued cases. It estimates over 1 million NJ residents have already had the virus and another 600,000 will get it over the next three months.

Based on those numbers, that computes a current death rate of 0.7%, meaning 99.3% of people who contract it have not died. By August 4, it estimates 15,535 NJ deaths out of 1,650,561 cases. That is a death rate of 0.94%.

https://covid19-projections.com/us-nj

Based on this data, policy makers should end the draconian measures, seal off long term care facilities and nursing homes, advise the elderly (60+) to be cautious and let the country get back to work. This will build herd immunity through younger, healthier people. You cannot prevent every infection and every death, but you can take common sense approaches to secure at risk people and not put millions on the unemployment rolls. Unfortunately, it's too late for the latter. We need to reopen and do our best to build up the economy. More harm than good has been caused by the lockdowns.

 

[shu09]

UPMC doctor says CV death rate may come out to be 0.25%. UPMC is one of the nation's finest hospitals.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/...-its-hospitals-will-shift-back-to-normal.html

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Hi all,

can anyone tell me if we will be wearing masks and social distancing for the rest of our lives. I really would like to know but can’t find any thoughts on the matter. Thank you.

The guy stole FLNJ act lol

 

[Piratz]

It's like a moving target. An evolving situation. Politicians suck at those things because they choose one side early for self-serving purposes and dig in, instead of being reasonable and pragmatic to help the public which is supposed to be the reason they are there. That's where we are with this mess.

Each week the science is rapidly catching up to give us a better context of what this virus is and how it behaves, which is awesome. That includes treatment, the antibody testing to gauge, etc.

But in the meantime, you have somewhere like NJ, who in the midst of all this progress just had its deadliest 24 hours yet (if I read that correctly this morning). And back to the first point.

 

[HALL85]

It's like a moving target. An evolving situation. Politicians suck at those things because they choose one side early for self-serving purposes and dig in, instead of being reasonable and pragmatic to help the public which is supposed to be the reason they are there. That's where we are with this mess.

Each week the science is rapidly catching up to give us a better context of what this virus is and how it behaves, which is awesome. That includes treatment, the antibody testing to gauge, etc.

But in the meantime, you have somewhere like NJ, who in the midst of all this progress just had its deadliest 24 hours yet (if I read that correctly this morning). And back to the first point.

It’s all about leadership. Something politicians have not been very proficient. Imagine any sporting event where both teams don’t care about the score and only want to trash talk. And then you have the refs (MSM) that instigate both sides. Pretty much where we are.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Governor Murphy will close parks and golf courses after this weekend.

I hope so. The blowback and civil disobedience that would result would be great theater. I have continued to use the larger, more rural state parks, to which there are numerous entrances aside from the front gates.

You seem to like continually repeating yourself, and are trying to stake some claim to the "I told you so" in the Fall. Good for you. What did you study at SHU, assuming you even went there? Ever have an immunology course? Read much about treatments or fast-tracked vaccines that are being developed? Might be good to place a fraction of the faith that you have in historians and epidemiologists in the research scientists.

 

[Section112]

I hope so. The blowback and civil disobedience that would result would be great theater. I have continued to use the larger, more rural state parks, to which there are numerous entrances aside from the front gates.

You seem to like continually repeating yourself, and are trying to stake some claim to the "I told you so" in the Fall. Good for you. What did you study at SHU, assuming you even went there? Ever have an immunology course? Read much about treatments or fast-tracked vaccines that are being developed? Might be good to place a fraction of the faith that you have in historians and epidemiologists in the research scientists.

Nah political science major is my guess - future politician. Being right is more important than anything and if you say it enough times ...

 

[Merge]

Actually my estimate of 98-99% of people being fine may be too low. Here is another model, one which predicts continued cases. It estimates over 1 million NJ residents have already had the virus and another 600,000 will get it over the next three months.

Based on those numbers, that computes a current death rate of 0.7%, meaning 99.3% of people who contract it have not died. By August 4, it estimates 15,535 NJ deaths out of 1,650,561 cases. That is a death rate of 0.94%.

https://covid19-projections.com/us-nj

Based on this data, policy makers should end the draconian measures, seal off long term care facilities and nursing homes, advise the elderly (60+) to be cautious and let the country get back to work. This will build herd immunity through younger, healthier people. You cannot prevent every infection and every death, but you can take common sense approaches to secure at risk people and not put millions on the unemployment rolls. Unfortunately, it's too late for the latter. We need to reopen and do our best to build up the economy. More harm than good has been caused by the lockdowns.

I hope that's true but 1.3 million infected in NJ as of today seems really high and hard to reconcile with some of the other data available at this point (rates of asymptomatic carries for example) I'm trying to look at some of the assumptions they are using. Seems the rate of transmission they are using is much higher than the initial estimates, but that would be a very good thing if that can be validated.

But I agree with you. We accomplished what we needed to accomplish by not overloading the healthcare system. I think we took the right steps initially, but it's time to start opening up. At this point, I would set a target for May 11 for everything other than schools and larger gatherings like sporting events

 

[shu09]

Imagine the pressure Murphy can and will face if he doesn't do anything before May 15. By then you're getting close to Memorial Day and you just cannot keep the shutdown going past then. It will kill most businesses at the shore and have a detrimental short and long term effect on the state. That three month window between Memorial Day and Labor Day is huge for the state's tourism revenue and the bottom lines of every single one of those businesses.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Imagine the pressure Murphy can and will face if he doesn't do anything before May 15. By then you're getting close to Memorial Day and you just cannot keep the shutdown going past then. It will kill most businesses at the shore and have a detrimental short and long term effect on the state. That three month window between Memorial Day and Labor Day is huge for the state's tourism revenue and the bottom lines of every single one of those businesses.

It's already too late. How many people already canceled renting a place down the shore. How many people don't want to stay in a hotel that someone else stayed in the week before? Not to mention, how many people haven't been to work for the last 2 months who are going to need to work this summer. Shore is already screwed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[knowknow456]

hahahah. No, to be honest I think you're kinda nuts. And no, I don't care if I get the virus. I believe I've already had it, but if I haven't and I get it I'll likely be fine as will 98-99% of others who get it. And if I did have a rare bad outcome, I have no regrets. I've lived a good life.

I hope you realize how lucky you are. I personally never met anyone in the 30's in any context who said if they died, they would have no regrets because they've lived a good life. In fact, I've never met anyone who said that to me directly(I think that makes me lucky). When Uncle Richard's lung cancer spread to his brain he told my aunt he wasn't continuing with chemo, that he had a good life and he had done the best he could. He fought like hell the first go around, but at his age he had nothing left physically when the cancer returned. Your clinical approach to your own mortality is not all that common.

 

[shu09]

I hope you realize how lucky you are. I personally never met anyone in the 30's in any context who said if they died, they would have no regrets because they've lived a good life. In fact, I've never met anyone who said that to me directly(I think that makes me lucky). When Uncle Richard's lung cancer spread to his brain he told my aunt he wasn't continuing with chemo, that he had a good life and he had done the best he could. He fought like hell the first go around, but at his age he had nothing left physically when the cancer returned. Your clinical approach to your own mortality is not all that common.

So you've met 30-somethings who are all miserable and don't think they've lived good lives? Interesting take.

 

[shufan1993]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/02/health/coronavirus-second-wave-fall-season/index.html

Hi all. Important quotes from this article are below. The future is not looking good. Warning you guys now. If you don't want to listen THAT IS FINE:

1. "Americans could be in for a bad fall and winter"- Tony Fauci

2. "Often not always...often the second wave of a pandemic is worse"- Dr. Poland

3. "The idea this is going to be done soon defies microbiology"- please remember some people on this board told me I was a "moron" for saying two months ago this was going to be a worldwide Pandemic

This article state people will be social distancing and wearing masks for the next 12-18 months. I think by then people will adapt to this behavior and people will continue wearing masks and social distancing for the rest of their lives.

 

[knowknow456]

So you've met 30-somethings who are all miserable and don't think they've lived good lives? Interesting take.

What I wrote is not my "take". It is my personal life experience. How you, or anyone else for that matter, want to interpret that is up to them.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I hope you realize how lucky you are. I personally never met anyone in the 30's in any context who said if they died, they would have no regrets because they've lived a good life. In fact, I've never met anyone who said that to me directly(I think that makes me lucky). When Uncle Richard's lung cancer spread to his brain he told my aunt he wasn't continuing with chemo, that he had a good life and he had done the best he could. He fought like hell the first go around, but at his age he had nothing left physically when the cancer returned. Your clinical approach to your own mortality is not all that common.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but don’t we have plenty of willing military personnel in their late teens, 20s, and 30s willing to die with no regrets?