I wish someone on CNN or MSNBC would explain if the rising sea levels are such an environmental threat why Obama and Kerry own mansions on the beach.Maybe their preaching is for the great unwashed ,more likely they are hypocrites on this issue like Johnny’s private plane trips to save the planet.
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I watched crowds of people cheering "Drill baby drill" not so long ago. Those same people would have said the amount of renewable production we have today is impractical if not impossible to reach.
Yep. The question was a bit rhetorical. There is an industry spending billions of dollars to convince people that moving away from their product will hurt all of us. Just a shame so many people seem to buy in.
lol. Big CNN and MSNBC fan Ed?
Hypocrites for enjoying a beach and wanting it to still be there 30 years from now?
I never said we weren’t purchasing oil from Russia while Trump was in office. I just said we were exporting more than we were importing which equals energy independence. Biden ended that with his nutty green ideas. This is not even debatable.
But that has nothing to do with Biden or Trump.
It was because of a pandemic drastically lowering demand.
Did you just not admit before that despite Biden’s “nutty green energy” that the US in 2021 exported as much as it consumed? So if the US produced a barrel more then we would be energy independent.? Energy independence is a phrase that is essentially meaningless in the way you use it.
Moreover, in 2022, the forecast is that the US will produce more than it consumes. Si despite these nutty green ideas, the US will be energy independent despite the nutty green ideas. What will you say next year?
Where is your source? Maybe they can help inform the EIA.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot determine exactly how much of the crude oil produced in the United States is then consumed in the United States. Most of the crude oil produced in the United States is refined in U.S. refineries along with imported crude oil to make petroleum products.
8.50 > 7.86
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Got it, trying to get the facts. This helps as well.
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One thing to note with energy prices is that the people that can least afford it are getting hit the hardest. While a number of service, financial, back office jobs have transitioned to partial or full Work-From-Home, low-skill hourly production, manufacturing, distribution and health services positions have to come to work each day, so their vehicle operating costs are jumping while WFH is much less affected.
The issue to debate regarding energy is how much we want the government policies affecting the free markets.
I believe the primary driver behind's Biden's policies is climate change. His administration messages quite well to climate and green folks. Save the planet, climate justice, yada yada. His policies are aimed at reducing coal, oil, and gas and promoting renewables. It is hard to argue with that.
He is silent on nuclear.
Trump / Republican's are portrayed as promoting coal, oil, and gas and enemies of the environment. They are portrayed as wanting to allow big corporations to pollute the earth so they can make profits, put more money in the top 1%, yada yada For a young uninformed voter, it is easy to accept this as the true view and of course easy to reject it.
Republicans have always sucked at messaging.
The debate should be about what is the best balance/approach for quiescing coal, gas, and oil while increasing and ultimately converting to renewables being the dominate source of energy. The impact to the economy and national security are two key component of that debate. As an extreme, if we stop all oil and gas production immediately the impact would be disastrous.
Instead, there is no debate. There are one-side talking points, counterpoints, and barbs.
I believe the primary driver behind's Biden's policies is climate change. His administration messages quite well to climate and green folks. Save the planet, climate justice, yada yada. His policies are aimed at reducing coal, oil, and gas and promoting renewables. It is hard to argue with that.
He is silent on nuclear.
Trump / Republican's are portrayed as promoting coal, oil, and gas and enemies of the environment. They are portrayed as wanting to allow big corporations to pollute the earth so they can make profits, put more money in the top 1%, yada yada For a young uninformed voter, it is easy to accept this as the true view and of course easy to reject it.
Republicans have always sucked at messaging.
The debate should be about what is the best balance/approach for quiescing coal, gas, and oil while increasing and ultimately converting to renewables being the dominate source of energy. The impact to the economy and national security are two key component of that debate. As an extreme, if we stop all oil and gas production immediately the impact would be disastrous.
Instead, there is no debate. There are one-side talking points, counterpoints, and barbs.
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Depends how you define it.
If defined by the import/export balance then it is yes.
In general, I believe the answer is yes or perhaps, mostly.
If we stopped all imports, there would be consequences.
One reason we import is because the Gulf refineries require high sulfur content. We would lose production capacity if we did not import. To rectify that we have to upgrade those refineries. The left doesn't want to invest in anything oil.
Keep in mind, the government does not import and export oil. Private companies import and export oil.
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Gas prices were going up before the invasion, but this will certainly lead to higher prices at the pump.
Do you support going to Iran or Venezuela to fill the gap?
Hard to say, some of the information contradicts itself. On the surface, it appears we export more than we import at least in 2020. One thing is for sure its complicated. The data for 2021 has not been finalized, but the US exported slightly more petroleum than it imported in the first half of 2021. Very mixed signals from the EIA., when they published the article below. If they are trying to confuse people it's working.
EIA forecasts the U.S. will import more petroleum than it exports in 2021 and 2022
Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO), February 2021
Throughout much of its history, the United States has imported more petroleum (which includes crude oil, refined petroleum products, and other liquids) than it has exported. That status changed in 2020. The U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) February 2021 Short-Term Energy Outlook (STEO) estimates that 2020 marked the first year that the United States exported more petroleum than it imported on an annual basis. However, largely because of declines in domestic crude oil production and corresponding increases in crude oil imports, EIA expects the United States to return to being a net petroleum importer on an annual basis in both 2021 and 2022.
EIA expects that increasing crude oil imports will drive the growth in net petroleum imports in 2021 and 2022 and more than offset changes in refined product net trade. EIA forecasts that net imports of crude oil will increase from its 2020 average of 2.7 million barrels per day (b/d) to 3.7 million b/d in 2021 and 4.4 million b/d in 2022.
I would rather pay more or work toward opening the keystone pipeline than go to either of these countries. The discussion should be how to get from point A to point B. Going back to either of these countries is taking backward steps. How many times are we going to repeat the same mistakes.
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Partly, yes. Partly no.
The government helped fund our current fossil fuel energy infrastructure and there are still significant subsidies. It's a little disingenuous to say that this is a free market competition. I just think we should make it a level playing field at minimum (I'd still argue more) and help fund the renewable industry as much as we helped fossil fuels.
Not really. Provisions supporting nuclear energy in the infrastructure bill and build back better.
No one has suggested cutting off oil and gas though. Just want to invest heavily in alternatives so we can move away from oil and gas as much as possible in the future.
What does "the left" have to do with private companies upgrading their facilities?
From what I have seen, no country can make up the shortfall. Let's face it, we are in a tough spot. I would hope we not go to Venezuela and Iran. I thought we had sanctions against those two countries. But I may be wrong.
I'm sure there are a lot of moving parts, but going to Iran or Venezuela just magnifies that we need to have a better strategy in emergency type situations. The pandemic (and now war) is magnifying the gaps in our supply chain and energy policy. How about both parties come up with a long term plan....won't happen but we should hold them accountable.
Our problem is the strategy cannot be such a shift from one side to the other. We do need a long-term plan. I hear states banning Saran Wrap and plastic bags and freezer bags now? Common this is F'n crazy at some point.
The green folks need to give a little and realize there needs to be multiple horses we ride until we have more reasonable alternatives to replace fossil fuels of which we are still hugely dependent on for little things like heating our homes and going to work in our cars (speaking sarcastically here).
And guess what some of those alternatives are wholly dependent on other minerals to be effective so in some cases we are trading one mineral for the other and we still have to dig up the ground, use slave labor to get it and more. I have a house that has been rebuilt to use the least energy costs, sealed up, super low HERS rating with heat pumps. Followed all the guidance and my bills are through the roof. The industry is at its infancy and they are still learning so beware of the marketing. Now I am forced to spend more $ on solar because I bought the recommendations - shame on me.
We will still be reliant on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future and it is a threat to our security not to have it. That is the bottom line.
The green folks need to give a little and realize there needs to be multiple horses we ride until we have more reasonable alternatives to replace fossil fuels of which we are still hugely dependent on for little things like heating our homes and going to work in our cars (speaking sarcastically here).
And guess what some of those alternatives are wholly dependent on other minerals to be effective so in some cases we are trading one mineral for the other and we still have to dig up the ground, use slave labor to get it and more. I have a house that has been rebuilt to use the least energy costs, sealed up, super low HERS rating with heat pumps. Followed all the guidance and my bills are through the roof. The industry is at its infancy and they are still learning so beware of the marketing. Now I am forced to spend more $ on solar because I bought the recommendations - shame on me.
We will still be reliant on fossil fuels for the foreseeable future and it is a threat to our security not to have it. That is the bottom line.
Could not agree with you more that we need soil and fossil fuels until our alternative energy source are reliable and abundant. This is going to speed up the transfer to electric cars. I love the electric vehicles but as good as they are, the parts to build batteries are not in abundance.
However, the drill oil drill people need to come to their senses that we are at a stage that oil should be relied on less and less.
I am still waiting for the Tesla solar roofs.
TC Energy (formerly TransCanada) would build it. The failure to have Keystone XL in place could be a contributor to higher gasoline prices going down the road. If the demand continues then gasoline prices are going to be higher. Canada is a friendly neighbor and close geographically which are benefits.
I get the fact that higher gasoline prices will lead to more conservation. Plus by having these projects in place it slows the process of change.
In my opinion, canceling the pipeline was about sending a message. But when you weigh the political impact that many got from that message, it was the wrong decision to cancel it especially now.
Most of us seem to be on the same page on this. Reactionary moves by each administration just gin up the diehard bases of either party and don't accomplish anything. There needs to be a long term strategy that enables us to move to renewables that are environmentally and fiscally responsible. Enough with the "drill baby drill" slogans or "the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't act now" nonsense.
Went from energy independent to neutral so trend heading in wrong direction. Clearly we produced less oil under Biden due to him canceling all the leases on federal lands. Under Trump, we were ramping this up. Not sure what you are missing here. This was their plan to reduce production and they achieved it. Unfortunately for the world, it had devastating consequences.
Not sure what forecast you are reading that says we will be energy independent in 2022. Please forward link. Would be happy to read it.
The Keystone will bring oil from Canada to the gulf refineries. Without the Keystone, trucks and trains will bring this oil which has the impact of raising the price due to the transportation costs and increasing air pollution due to the trains and trucks. Somebody remind me again why we stopped construction while removing sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline? It makes zero sense.
No one has suggested cutting off oil and gas? Biden canceled the drilling leases on Federal lands on day one.
Agreed. Would be crazy. Just re-start the drilling on Federal lands.
Also, I have no problem with electric vehicles but we need to increase the capacity of our electric grid significantly before we can start the transition in a big way. Renewables don't add up to a hill of beans and I know coal is not the long term answer. So unless a new technology is created, nuclear is the answer and its not even close as far as efficiency.
Well stated. Energy independence = national security. Has always been that way. This is why Putin secretly funded many green NGO's to ramp up the lunacy. Like many dictators before him, very evil but very smart.
Agree 100% that there needs to be a reasonable transition strategy. But such strategy should NEVER take away our leverage and give it to our enemies. Unfortunately, this is exactly what Biden did DAY ONE. Putin and Jinping couldn't have dreamed we would be so ignorant.
We produce more energy with renewables than we do with nuclear.
Not quite a "hill of beans", and still so much untapped potential.
In any case. Nuclear fusion seems to be in an exciting spot. Could be an actual operational fusion generator within the next 3-5 years which would be amazing.
He did not cancel drilling on federal lands. There is still plenty of drilling on federal lands, and there have always been unused federal lands available for drilling.
The range needs to improve for an electric car to be practical for me as I drive a lot unfortunately. My next lease ends in one year and I am hoping the inventory is better and the cost is not as bad as it is today due to the low inventories.
350-500. There are a number of days each month when I drive back and forth and put between 350-500 miles on the car in one day. The current models won't get me there or I would have to lose a significant amount of time while it charges. Looking into hybrids too.
Uh oh! Again another reason for us to figure out a way to produce more oil to meet our needs right here in America. Makes sense why they are talking to Iran and trying to get the sanctions lessened now. Full disclosure - the Saudis have been scumbags for years. We play in their sandbox because we need oil. Words matter though.
www.wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Saudi, Emirati Leaders Decline Calls With Biden During Ukraine Crisis
The Persian Gulf monarchies have signaled they won’t help ease surging oil prices unless Washington supports them in Yemen, elsewhere.
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350-500 in per day? Yikes!
Yeah, some good options if you're under 250 per day. But certainly wouldn't get an EV driving that much.
