I am glad the girls won the World Cup as I would be for the US to win in any sport. Just as it is MR's right to her protests it is my/our right to criticize the way she goes about it. Just because you have the right to do something does not make it right to do. In my opinion she is a hypocrite. She has no problem wearing USA on her jersey but then will not honor the anthem. What really put me over the edge with her is when after the USA won the game she dropped the flag on the ground and danced over it like it was a dirty napkin. Thankfully one of the girls on the team had enough class to pick up the flag.
Rapinoe!!!
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Fair, but let's say there are two partners at a Firm; one brings in significantly more business to the Firm than the other - should they both automatically be compensated the same or should there be consideration given to who is bringing in more revenue? They both are doing the same job every day, it's just that one individual's efforts result in more sales. This situation isn't the same as, say, two associates that work in the office and don't generate revenue - then yes, they should be paid the same, within a reasonable range of deviation based on merit raises, etc.
In professional sports, you can't treat pro athletes like regular people doing regular jobs. Athletes are money making entities. If it's accurately determined that a men's program generates (arbitrary number here) 80% of the revenue, is it really equitable for the men's program to only receive 50% of the expenses allocated to payroll? I think the bigger problem lies in finding out why women aren't generating the same level of revenue and trying to improve upon that so that "same pay" argument makes more sense.In reality, I don't think it makes sense at all, you should be paid relative to your worth. Frankly, I think the women's team is worth more and should be compensated more because they are vastly superior and more successful - evidently sponsors don't seem to think so at this point in time or then yes, there is something criminal going on here with the USSF.
Business and Ideology aren't always harmonized and I don't know that they should be either.
You're right. The question is who brings in more revenue. If the women bring in more, pay them more. If the men bring in more, pay them more. It's as idiotic as saying a major league baseball player and a minor league baseball player perform the same job. They should be paid equally.
Frankly, I think the women should be bringing in more in revenue and if they are not, then someone (i.e. sponsors, USSF, etc) is dropping the ball. I find their games much more entertaining, they are much more successful, and many of the women on the team are much more marketable than the men. All that said, being good at your job and making your employer money are not the same things - and people that do the latter will almost always make more themselves than those that only do the former.
You obviously didn't see that video. A different player dropped the flag, not out of disrespect, just happened in the course of the celebration, Rapinoe did not step on it nor did she attempt to step on it. In the heat of her celebration, she almost accidentally stepped on it before another player picked it up off the ground.
As reprehensible as Rapinoe's anthem antics are, there was nothing to see here.
She has a right to do what she does, others have that exact same right to condemn what she does.
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The question is if you're willing to pull those anthem antics, why would you want to represent this country? Seems a little odd. I think that not playing would be a biger statement.
Sure, she's a hypocrite just trying to stir up some crap and stay relevant.
The players on the US Soccer Federation women’s national team have filed a federal lawsuit charging pay discrimination for performing the same job in March of this year. My view on this controversy is that let the courts handle it and see which side prevails .
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The women as a whole are not more marketable... yeah it’s great during the World Cup, but you don’t see them on tv or hear about them otherwise. They play a small tournament to qualify for the WC.. they make more revenue now because of the World Cup and the fact the USMNT missed the last. Should they be getting paid more, not sure numbers at all, but if the USMNT qualifies for the next World Cup, with their qualifiers, the games immediately before the cup, the cup itself, then their welcome home games, the USMNT will double or maybe even triple the USWNT revenue... should the men then get paid double or more than what the women make? It’s not about equal this or that, it’s fair pay... it’s still up to their union rep to negotiate better contracts... are they being paid fairly is the real question
I did see the video. Although the other girl dropped the flag it was after Rapinoe pushed it aside as if it were a dirty diaper. You say she didn't drop the flag out of disrespect. It was not done accidentally and there was no attempt to pick it up so how is this not disrespectful?
Why is this so hard? Give the men and the women the same base salary and then allow them to earn bonuses based on ticket and merchandise sales and anything else that can be tracked.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...earning-less-than-men/?utm_term=.682d5f09adbb
Probably the best piece I've read about Equal Pay and gives a very good summary of the differences in pay structure, etc.
As mentioned earlier, the big differences come from the bonuses FIFA pays out to the federations for the World Cup, but those numbers are a percentage based on revenue and are a completely separate item that is pretty self-explanatory.
The Bottom Line
When it comes to revenue from games, the women’s national soccer team has held its own against the men’s team since the 2015 World Cup win. But games account for only one-quarter of USSF revenue. Sponsorships make up half, and it’s hard to determine what the women’s team contributed to USSF without more data.
Are the women players paid less? Sometimes. When the female players have appeared to make about the same or more money, they’ve had to turn in consistently outstanding performances on the world stage. Even with those feats, earning the same amount as the men’s soccer players was near-impossible under the previous collective-bargaining agreement.
The new agreement has provisions that may reduce the difference in bonuses for friendly games and tournaments, but there is — without question and for whatever reasons — still a massive gap between men’s and women’s World Cup bonuses.
Probably the best piece I've read about Equal Pay and gives a very good summary of the differences in pay structure, etc.
As mentioned earlier, the big differences come from the bonuses FIFA pays out to the federations for the World Cup, but those numbers are a percentage based on revenue and are a completely separate item that is pretty self-explanatory.
The Bottom Line
When it comes to revenue from games, the women’s national soccer team has held its own against the men’s team since the 2015 World Cup win. But games account for only one-quarter of USSF revenue. Sponsorships make up half, and it’s hard to determine what the women’s team contributed to USSF without more data.
Are the women players paid less? Sometimes. When the female players have appeared to make about the same or more money, they’ve had to turn in consistently outstanding performances on the world stage. Even with those feats, earning the same amount as the men’s soccer players was near-impossible under the previous collective-bargaining agreement.
The new agreement has provisions that may reduce the difference in bonuses for friendly games and tournaments, but there is — without question and for whatever reasons — still a massive gap between men’s and women’s World Cup bonuses.
I view employee vs being contracted for work through a cba a bit different....a public relations or marketing executive of a sports franchise has to be careful in what and how they display thought and personal opinion and belief while pro and paid athletes are legitimate large front facing figures of their franchises I feel more and more want to do more than just shut up and dribble....on the nfl front the anthem policy that ownership only agreed to change was put into arbitration by the players union and then the new policy was suspended from being enacted, in the game ops manual there was a passage about decorum and etiquette for colors presentation and anthem as something that was defined as "should" not "must"
Beyond this if you are not in unionized labor most states have at will employment so anyone can be dismissed at anytime as long as it is proven that it was not a discriminatory execution
Disagree that you don't think the women aren't more marketable. The US Men's soccer team is filled with media nobodies at this point. Alex Morgan, Carli Lloyd, and Megan Rapinoe all offer a variety of things (success, personal interest stories, looks, etc) that no one else on the men's team offers right now.
When exactly do you see the men on TV or hear about them? You don't even hear about them during the World Cup because they are mediocre.
Outside of that, whether they are being paid fairly or not goes right back to what I said in the post before.
It seems that there are legitimate defenses to the equal payment argument. Here is an excerpt from an article that explains why the women do not get the same compensation as the men.
Direct comparisons between the compensation of the men’s and women’s teams can be complicated. Each team has its own collective bargaining agreement with U.S. Soccer, and among the major differences is pay structure: The men receive higher game bonuses when they play for the United States, but are paid only when they make the team, while the women receive guaranteed salaries supplemented by smaller match bonuses.
One of the biggest differences in compensation is the multimillion-dollar bonuses the teams receive for participating in the World Cup, but those bonuses — a pool of $400 million for 32 men’s teams versus $30 million for 24 women’s teams — are determined by FIFA, world soccer’s governing body, not U.S. Soccer.
Dancing over it? You are as wrong as wrong could be on your facts. There wasn't anything intentional about that fallen flag. Also, they are women, not girls,
Was a flag in one of their hands?
Was the flag let go and laying on the ground? (Complete lack of respect of the flag and our country)
Were there two women dancing right there with the flag on the ground?
Did either of these ladies make any attempt to pick up the flag (the one they dropped) that was on the ground besides them?
Show me please how my facts are off.
The flag should have been treated like gold. They knew it was dropped but refused to pick it up.
Really? A bigger statement than she could make repeatedly on a huge world stage?
While I wholeheartedly agree that the flag should be treated with the utmost respect, you have no idea what they saw and what they thought if they had seen that the flag had dropped.
Can't wait until we can all just watch robots play sports so we don't have to worry about if they have opinions or not.
Agreed. It was an error in a moment of celebration.
It has happened before and will happen again.
Yeah. A lot of countries make a statement by boycotting the olympics. A lot of organizations go on strike. Next time athletes are going to go on strike, suggest they keep playing and instead of trash talking, they should use their platform to bring up the issues.
LOL. Coming from a guy who called for Willard's firing 100 times. Now that is funny.
Apparently the men’s World Cup brings in $6 billion in revenue. The women’s World Cup brings in $131 million. Minor difference.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/corner/about-that-alleged-world-cup-pay-gap/amp/
If the women's argument is with the payments from the USSF, that is one thing. But if they're argument is with the bonuses paid out by FIFA I don't think they have much of a case.
The argument is with the USSF. Below is a link to their complaint.
https://games-cdn.washingtonpost.co...note/e5d43867-3817-4ca9-a154-4faa275d5ff0.pdf
Yup, I just wasn't sure if they were additionally trying to bring issue with the bonus payments by FIFA.
I did find this:
Megan Rapinoe called on FIFA President Gianni Infantino and U.S. Soccer president Carlos Cordeiro to address the imbalance in pay between men and women in football after helping the USWNT win their fourth FIFA Women's World Cup on Sunday.
Rapinoe spoke after she scored in the USA's 2-0 win over Netherlands in Lyon to become repeat world champions.
Per ESPN's Graham Hays, she said:
"Everyone is kind of asking what's next and what we want to come of all of this. It's to stop having the conversation about equal pay and are we worth it and should we and the investment piece. What are we going to do about it? Gianni, what are we going to do about it? Carlos, what are we going to do about it?
"It's time to sit down with everyone and really get to work. This game has done so much for all of us. We've put so much into it. I think it's a testament to the quality on the field, and I don't think everything else is matching that. So how do we get everything to match up and continue to push this forward. Because I think at this point the argument we have been having is null and void."
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...occer-for-equal-pay-after-uswnt-world-cup-win
We'll see what happens with the lawsuit, but the FIFA payments seem pretty fair.
