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And it always comes back to Trump. Yawn.
It's about time. May I have the honor? Here we go : why do so many liberals hate America?
"Liberals hating America" is an utter absurdity cooked up by Gingrich, Limbaugh, Coulter. Fox News and the many sheep who follow them. "Hey, they don't agree with us, let's call them America haters." Pretty effective strategy when much of your following is ready and willing to blame somebody else for their own failings.
Everything is always cooked up. Remember when liberals told us Trump cooked up a fake crisis at the border to get a wall. Now everyone on both sides says the crisis is real. Neither side is doing anything to fix it so they’re both to blame for it not being solved, but that a**hole in the White House as you call him at least is calling attention to real problems. The liberals would have let it stay under the rug until they needed it for political reasons. They had no problems when Obama’s administration was deporting people left and right. They attack everything we did wrong 250 years ago but wont attack Obama at all on doing something they perceive as morally wrong such as deportations.
Fact is maybe liberals don’t hate America, but they hate Trump more than they like America, it’s obvious and it’s sad.
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Just like congressional Republicans hated Obama more than they liked america
I don’t recall them wanting to change our electoral college, the constitution, get rid of our borders, etc. Yes they may have hated Obama and his ideas like Obamacare but to think they hated him more than they liked the Constitution is ridiculous.
You're misrepresenting that a bit. There is a problem and it should be addressed.
This only became an "emergency" as we were getting close to the midterms. Republicans controlled the house and Senate for two years and didn't even really try to get a wall.
The problem isn't that people are coming here requesting asylum, it's why they are coming here.
Literally both sides on this issue. We haven't had the will to "fix" the issue because it is going to hurt economically.
You're leaving a lot out there. Obama's directives were to try and identify illegal immigrants who committed crimes and to deport them. He pushed for DACA and also tried to expand it. Was Obama perfect on the issue? Of course not, but it's night and day from the current administration.
Go back in time 10 years and you can say the exact same thing about conservatives and Obama. I don't hate Trump more than I love America, I just believe America should be better than having someone like Trump as president.
Trump has called attention to the corruption of those Central American countries that have contributed to the caravans, and has withheld aid (rightfully so, because there is no accountability as to where that money is going. And let’s not forget the MSM is complicit in dialing up or down the crisis.
Another reason why Americans have such a low approval rating and disdain for Congress. A lot of empty words as to how they frame this crisis. No business would operate this way.
Liberals this, certain politicians said that, Obama, the wall, hate America.
Maybe start with ignoring the hype stations that always paint issues in the most simplistic terms so that even the least informed of their audience won't get lost, and will stay angry and tuned in.
I read "Our 50-State Border Crisis" and found the problem to be complex and the prescribed solutions to be many. A wall along the entire border (that happens to match a purely political [and extremely effective] one-word campaign slogan) is not the solution (though physical barriers along some parts are part of the solution). But you probably know that.
Some of the things Trump is doing are opposite of that author's suggested solutions, like aid to the countries that are having such problems that their people want to leave. He's not doing the hard, subtle stuff, and has a very simplistic take on how to deal with this problem, which all modern (and some very poor) countries are facing now. It alarms me how simplistic and cruel his solutions are.
I am not proud, as an American, of his policies of treating illegal families badly while being detained in our country--we're better than that. We may differ on that, and that's ok. But the problem and its solutions have nothing to do with the political portrayal of us vs. them you gave. Both recent presidents took the problem seriously, therefore we might assume it's a serious problem, having nothing to do with liberals, hating America, 250 years ago, etc.
Where is Congress in all this. We have a problem; call it whatever you want (I.e. a crisis, a humanitarian crisis, etc.), but its a problem. What’s so hard about doing your job. Work together; enlist experts, identify real solutions with metrics that we can agree. We can blame Obama and Trump, but if Congress is going to use this as a political football, then hold them accountable as well. They have failed in their responsibility to the American public and these illegal immigrants as well.
In all honesty, outside of saving a few bucks, how does that help the United States? Is cutting the funding, even if it was inefficient, helping or hurting the situation at our border?
Agree.
I still believe the issue has not been addressed because the solution is going to hurt our economy, but I think we are at a point now where it is more important to fix the problems.
You are correct (or at least I agree, which is often not the same thing as being correct!).
I didn't realize this went to Life Off the Ship, so I'm going to exit.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-a...ica-trump-says-hes-cutting-funding-el-1180732
$180M is a bit more than a “few bucks”. And if we can’t measure what it’s doing and resulting in, even more the reason to cut it.
At the end of the day, this is another category that needs to be addressed under the comprehensive immigration reform umbrella by Congress. Don’t hold your breath.
I'm not against saving money, but lets be honest... Saving 0.005% of our expenditures isn't going to do anything.
Who says we can't measure what it's doing? Of course we can.
Maybe instead of cutting it off, which can only exacerbate the problem at our border, we should have taken the time to make sure the money is accomplishing what we want it to accomplish. It's counter productive to cut it off.
You can play that percentage game with any expenditure, so stop that silliness. $180 million is a material number.
Maybe, maybe, maybe. That’s the problem...we don’t know.
Exactly! Figure it out before you cut it entirely.
180 million expense isn't material to 4 trillion in outlays. No American will notice the impact of that reduction.
It doesn’t matter if Americans notice or not. And as I said before it’s a silly analogy. A $100 cup of coffee isn’t material to my annual earnings either. but wouldn’t you question the Starbucks barista if they charged you that?
It’s called having the fiduciary responsibility of spending $180 million, not knowing the impact and seeing the increase in illegal immigrants from those countries. That should raise red flags and Trump is the only one to raise this issue by threatening to cut them.
If your 2019 coffee expense decreased by .005% of your total earnings compared to last year, you wouldn't notice.
Ask a question and find out the answers.
If you're in charge of your company's finances and you see a change you don't really understand, do you tell your team to cut the expense or do you try and understand the expense first?
You’re a dope if you spend $100 on coffee.
And sure you ask them what the expenses are for. But if you’re a leader, you make a decision if you don’t like the answer.
Exactly. A leader would get the answer and make a decision. That's the problem.
Where is the analysis? How will cutting funding impact immigration to the US? How will it help anything at all?
You know it will not help the problem at all.
That’s dumb to make a statement that broad without even knowing what the money has done so far. I could easily say you know it will not hurt the problem either.
Not really though. There is some tangible evidence that our investments were making a difference after the 2014 initiative including decreases in crime rates, increases in farm sales, providing food for those in extreme poverty.
You don't solve a problem by writing a check, you work towards certain goals which may take a generation to accomplish.
To cut it off without understanding the consequences of doing so is foolish.
Trump was threatening to do it to get a reaction and raise awareness. Do you think the average American even knew we were sending that much aid?
Lol... Please. It was not an awareness campaign. He wasn't talking about aid to countries in the middle East or Africa which dwarf that in which we give to Central American counties.
These threats are not just threats when farmers are relying on the funds being available to pay their bills. Private investors may see a less stable environment raising risk above how much they were willing to accept.
This is not how anyone should conduct foreign policy when trying to help create stability in a region.
You can't be serious and suggest that Trump did this to save the $180M.
He is sending a signal that more funding will be cut off if these countries continue to do nothing to stem the tide.
The coffee analogy aside, $180M will get the attention of some corrupt official down there. Cutting more will get more of their attention.
I agree it was not an awareness campaign. But I do believe Trump spews garbage out to get a reaction, not always what he truly believes. The reaction from Pelosi, Schumer, AOC, etc is always the same. They continue to take a stance against Trump that is further and further away from what regular Americans believe. The further extreme the democrats go, the more likely his re-election is. It may change but Trump is basically outsmarting the democrats and forcing them to listen to their extremeist members. The extremists are the loudest and they are the furthest from the average American. If the democrats can refuse the bait, and go towards the middle, they can beat Trump. All they have to do is be somewhat level headed, but they haven't been able to do it for 3 years now. Everything is about helping illegals before our own. They talk 100 times more about helping illegals than veterans. Extreme ideas of socialism over capitalism.
People may despise Trump, but when it comes down to Trump vs Socialism or using our funds to help illegal immigrants it won't be a race very long. The one thing I would love to hear out of Trump's mouth is why are democrats are fighting to for us to help illegal immigrants more than they are fighting to help the US citizens on welfare? I think that would put them in a really tough situation if Trump can get the focus on how much they are focusing on illegal immigrants as opposed to the Americans who are really struggling.
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I never said he did it to save money especially since I believe that amount to be fairly immaterial overall. I asked outside of saving 180MM, how does it help the United States as I believe we should be aiming for stability and I think his rhetoric here can only make the situation worse.
Exactly. That's one of my biggest problems with him.
I don't really agree that the party is being led by an extremist minority but I do agree that they shouldn't let Trump control the narrative and need to focus on issues that impact every day Americans.
I don’t have a problem with him doing it because the Democrats fall for it every time. 3 years they continue to fall for it. It’s like when you tell a kid you found a quarter in their ear and they fall for it every time. At some point stop taking extreme stances and make a hard stance in the middle. To me that would seem easy for them to do. 3 years and they are pushing further to the left everyday. Trump is not far right. So going to the middle would mean getting closer to agreeing with him, which they refuse to do.
The democrats control the house. Everyday you hear about “the squad” on the news. There are 235 Democrats in the house and 5 of them get major air time drowning out the other 230. Pelosi is getting questioned it seems constantly on the 4 women. When I start hearing the ideas and voices of the other 230 in congress or when the presidential hopefuls aren’t afraid to disagree with those 4 women I’ll believe they aren’t running the show. Maybe you believe that the party is not being run by the 4 women + Pelosi, but they just want to go opposite everything Trump. Still a bad idea until Trump goes far right. So far he hasn't.
The average American is worried about jobs. The average American wants to go out, work, provide for their family, and not be paying for people who just don't want to go to work. The average American wants better health insurance for themselves. If the government has extra money they want it spent on them not people who cross the border illegally. The average American wants to make sure their family is safe when they go on a plane, not get rid of DHS. If Democrats are not being run by the extremist minority....then their policies in general are extreme
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