Rapinoe!!!
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I agreed with everything you said except FIFA payments seem fair? The prize money is 23% of revenue for women's, 7% for men. To be honest that doesn't bother me one bit as it's not impacting my bank account. However should those numbers be reversed they would definitely be bringing exception to that. What would the response be if FIFA said fine we will be equal, 10% of all revenue will be paid out for both men's and women's? I don't think the women would be very happy, but that would seem fair to me.
That’s ok, USA will probably not have to play in those unsafe conditions.
I don't disagree with what you're saying. Fair was in a relative term for me, because there's no way they are going to increase the men's percentage or reduce the women's.
Again if you’re about equal pay, be about equal pay. If you’re just looking for more money say you want a raise. There’s nothing wrong with that. I think the equal pay is BS and a political disguise for wanting a raise. If you truly want what the men get take more from USSF but be willing to take less from FIFA
When they do play, we definitely have to meet for a beer during a game and talk soccer
I hope they do and take you up on that. I’m not a soccer hater, more so I hate that we’re so irrelevant. That big run some years back was a lot of fun.
The Equal Pay thing really has little to do with USSF and FIFA, IMO. The men's players are celebrities and some of the highest compensated athletes in the world. The women see the money that these guys are making and think that they are underpaid due to the huge differences and their celebrity here in America.
The problem is that the men receive the large majority of their pay through their club teams. The money that they earn from their national team is mainly irrelevant for the bigger countries and stars.
The popularity of women's club soccer is growing in Europe. Barcelona sold out the Camp Nou for a women's game for the first time this past year. As the popularity increases, so will the revenues and I imagine the women will see their pay increase accordingly.
Based on what I've read over the last couple of days, the USSF has structured the USMNT and USWNT pay to be comparable and the FIFA bonus structure is more than fair. For the women to get that pay that they want they need to increase the game's popularity at the club level.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/hatemonger-vandalizes-megan-rapinoe-posters-in-subway-station/
Hatemonger vandalizes Megan Rapinoe posters in subway station
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More than a half-dozen posters of US Women’s Soccer sensation Megan Rapinoe were defaced inside the Bryant Park subway station in what police are investigating as a possible hate crime, authorities said.
The bigoted vandal scribbled marker over Rapinoe’s face and forehead Monday morning on more than six posters displayed throughout the mezzanine level of the station near Sixth Avenue and West 42nd Street, cops said Tuesday.
The hateful messages included “shemale” and “screw this ho,” police sources said.
Rapinoe, a team co-captain who scored a penalty kick during Sunday’s Women’s World Cup final against the Netherlands, is an outspoken gender equality and LGBTQ activist.
The team will be honored by the city Wednesday during a ticker-tape parade in lower Manhattan.
An MTA spokesperson said the agency is working with the NYPD to investigate the graffiti, which was subsequently cleaned up.
“Hate has no place in the transit system and we work hard to make the subway a welcoming, safe environment for everyone,” MTA spokesman Shams Tarek wrote. “We referred this to NYPD which responded to investigate, our maintenance teams got the posters cleaned and we will have them replaced with new ones if necessary.”
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More than a half-dozen posters of US Women’s Soccer sensation Megan Rapinoe were defaced inside the Bryant Park subway station in what police are investigating as a possible hate crime, authorities said.
The bigoted vandal scribbled marker over Rapinoe’s face and forehead Monday morning on more than six posters displayed throughout the mezzanine level of the station near Sixth Avenue and West 42nd Street, cops said Tuesday.
The hateful messages included “shemale” and “screw this ho,” police sources said.
Rapinoe, a team co-captain who scored a penalty kick during Sunday’s Women’s World Cup final against the Netherlands, is an outspoken gender equality and LGBTQ activist.
The team will be honored by the city Wednesday during a ticker-tape parade in lower Manhattan.
An MTA spokesperson said the agency is working with the NYPD to investigate the graffiti, which was subsequently cleaned up.
“Hate has no place in the transit system and we work hard to make the subway a welcoming, safe environment for everyone,” MTA spokesman Shams Tarek wrote. “We referred this to NYPD which responded to investigate, our maintenance teams got the posters cleaned and we will have them replaced with new ones if necessary.”
The women have brought in more revenue to the US Soccer Federation than the men since 2016, as per the Wall Street Journal.
That is true since the men did not make the World Cup which is big for their revenue... but look back further for 10 years and see what that looks like then. The Uswnt plays a lot more games a year than the men play together, and for most friendly games the USMNT does bring in their full squad.
If the USMNT qualifies for he World Cup, and it was abysmal they didn’t last time, really there should be no good reason why they don’t qualify no matter how bad people think they are, then the USMNT revenue will blow by the USWNT. And when it does should the men then say they should get paid more?
The ladies should be paid more than they are, they should be paid fairly, what they got though for winning the World Cup does not come from the USSF, so there is nothing they can do about that. It’s the % of revenue from the World Cup, which isn’t even close to what the men produce, just the way it is.
The players on the USMNT do not like being dragged into this, they are wrongly criticized, they want the women to get paid as much as possible also, they don’t like the feeling of everyone against them and constantly being brought up on the argument. It’s not their fault it’s the reps negotiating the new contracts that the players approved. Most men’s players will not say anything negative in public and will just show support. They won’t comment on it because they don’t want money taken away from them, although most men’s players don’t rely on the national team money as a sole form of income like many of the ladies do. Bedoya was the most vocal against the ladies, and I understood why he was upset but it was better if he just kept his opinions to himself.
The World Cup usually unites the nation, not divide it. It’s almost like people are putting the USWNT against the USMNT. The men didn’t ask for this and they are being kicked when they are down since they failed to qualify.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/megan-rapinoe-defends-her-national-anthem-protests/
Megan Rapinoe defends her national anthem protests
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US women’s national soccer team star Megan Rapinoe defended her decision to kneel during the national anthem in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick,conceding that she was aware the protest would make “people uncomfortable.”
“I think that protest is not comfortable ever,” she told CNN with Anderson Cooper Tuesday night. “It’s going to force people to look inward and question everything they thought that they knew.”
Rapinoe became the first white female to follow Colin Kaepernick’s lead when she took a knee before a game with the Chicago Red Stars game in 2016.
“Being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties,” she told American Soccer Now at the time.
Shortly after her show of protest, Rapinoe explained her decision to kneel during the national anthem in an essay for The Players’ Tribune titled “Why I Am Kneeling.”
In 2017, the United States Soccer Federation passed a policy declaring that players must “stand respectfully” during the national anthem before national team games.
When pressed on her decision to kneel during the Women’s World Cup despite representing the US on the global stage, Rapinoe doubled down saying ‘taking care of others, standing up for yourself and other people if they don’t have the ability to do so, is very uniquely American.”
“I don’t think anybody can deny the horrors of racism and Jim Crow and mass incarceration and what’s happening on the southern border and gay rights and women’s rights.”
Rapinoe drew further controversy when she described the protest as a “good ‘F you’” to the Trump administration.
Although Rapinoe admitted that kneeling has never been easy, she rationalized the importance of the symbolic gesture.
“It doesn’t feel good really for anyone…but that’s what it takes. Progress is hard.”
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US women’s national soccer team star Megan Rapinoe defended her decision to kneel during the national anthem in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick,conceding that she was aware the protest would make “people uncomfortable.”
“I think that protest is not comfortable ever,” she told CNN with Anderson Cooper Tuesday night. “It’s going to force people to look inward and question everything they thought that they knew.”
Rapinoe became the first white female to follow Colin Kaepernick’s lead when she took a knee before a game with the Chicago Red Stars game in 2016.
“Being a gay American, I know what it means to look at the flag and not have it protect all of your liberties,” she told American Soccer Now at the time.
Shortly after her show of protest, Rapinoe explained her decision to kneel during the national anthem in an essay for The Players’ Tribune titled “Why I Am Kneeling.”
In 2017, the United States Soccer Federation passed a policy declaring that players must “stand respectfully” during the national anthem before national team games.
When pressed on her decision to kneel during the Women’s World Cup despite representing the US on the global stage, Rapinoe doubled down saying ‘taking care of others, standing up for yourself and other people if they don’t have the ability to do so, is very uniquely American.”
“I don’t think anybody can deny the horrors of racism and Jim Crow and mass incarceration and what’s happening on the southern border and gay rights and women’s rights.”
Rapinoe drew further controversy when she described the protest as a “good ‘F you’” to the Trump administration.
Although Rapinoe admitted that kneeling has never been easy, she rationalized the importance of the symbolic gesture.
“It doesn’t feel good really for anyone…but that’s what it takes. Progress is hard.”
I just don't get it. Athletes have a unique platform. They are invited to the White House to talk with the President himself and they refuse it. They'll go on Anderson Cooper and send out the message, yet they won't go face to face with the man millions of Americans wish they had the opportunity to confront. They have as good of an opportunity as anyone to create the change they want. Rapinoe is accurate we need to look ourselves in the mirror and make ourselves better. But when you have that platform I think you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask did you do all that you could. I don't know how you can answer yes when you turn down a visit to the White House. Refusing to go to the White House has not worked. Teams and players have refused to go and they are still not happy. It's not as if their refusing to go has changed anything.
Oh please, you think if she goes to the White House she has the opportunity to sit down and have a respectful conversation with the President about her opinions? That’s not his style, and I say that solely based on how he handles the media, other politicians, non-supporters at events, Twitter adversaries, every human that doesn’t hold his views...
Let's put it like this. He would look really stupid if he didn't. So either you go and sit there and have a conversation or you go there and you walk away saying he was an ass who didn't care about it. And if you wanted him out of office....you got a better story.
Based on that logic the men shouldn't go to the World Cup next time even if they qualify because they're not at a level to win the whole thing. Or would you say let them go and give it their best shot and see what happens. That's what the women should do with meeting the President. Otherwise you have a set of beliefs that you can't achieve as an underdog.
At the same time maybe Rapinoe was never invited to the White House in the first place.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1037288-tim-thomas-the-ugly-truth-behind-his-white-house-refusal
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Since this seems to be his default setting, it's difficult to imagine it playing out any other way.
Great post. You have a platform; use it. You are in a position to confront the issue (pay parity) with someone that can help you change it. By not going, its textbook passive aggressive behavior. I give Kim Kardashian more credit (which is hard to do), and she got a much more important result.
Maybe but his approval rating is the highest its been. If he mistreats the USWNT, it's going to hurt that. I think it's a win-win for the women to show up. Either he listens to them OR he ends up disrespecting a group of women that are highly thought of by the entire country. If they don't like his policies, that will ultimately hurt his numbers. We all know how much he loves talking about his numbers. I don't see the downside for the women.
Personally, I don't care how stupid he looks. My 401K is looking much better than it did before he took over.
Aside from the first sentence, completely ass-backwards, but given your graduation year, it makes sense. When pro athletes refuse to honor the flag or the anthem, fine. But when you're wearing the colors, show some respect.
I will give Rapinoe credit, she is a great player, and after a small back-and-forth with Trump, she shined on the international stage. There is no excuse, however, for dropping the flag and trampling on it. If you talk to any veteran (guessing dodger), you'd know that is a major no-no. This self-absorbed twit gets no pass for "being excited." And if a member of the USMNT did the same thing, it would be viewed no differently.
I would love to see these "amateur sports" go back to the amateurs, who would give a limb to play for their country. The Rapinoes of the world could labor in relative obscurity playing professional women's soccer and pull her stunts.
What we should be talking about when it involves any sporting event whether it’s the World Cup, the Olympics , or an NFL game is what is happening on the field and the players’ performance not what a player’s stance is on any political issue . There are many appropriate forums for players to express their political views but the workplace is not one of them and there is no constitutionally protected right for political protest in the workplace.
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Ahh the classic @#$% I got mine
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On this whole "equal pay for equal work", that is a very worthy cause but how do you define "equal work"? Isn't that commensurate with value provided?
Should WNBA players get paid the same as NBA players? If not, why not?
Should the CEO of a $50 million company get paid the same as the CEO of a $5 billion company? If not, why not?
Should WNBA players get paid the same as NBA players? If not, why not?
Should the CEO of a $50 million company get paid the same as the CEO of a $5 billion company? If not, why not?
It's been going up in the same trend line (go to your favorite financial site and select the 5-year plot of the S&P and draw a straight line from 5 years ago to the present and you'll see a near perfect regression). From the first day of the Trump presidency to today it's a 10.5% per annum return, which is no different from the historical mean.
But this didn't happen normally. There's been a crazed spendthrift cost of maintaining this expansion: an unprecedented stimulus (never before has a massive stimulus been enacted in a good economic climate--what's the urgent need for locking in more debt and therefore limiting your fiscal options when the business cycle turns down?), loosening of a boatload of environment regulations that degrade our lives in exchange for a few hundreds of percent of GDP growth, and steady pressure on the Fed to lower interest rates rather than perhaps unwinding QE (thereby limiting your monetary policy options once the inevitable business cycle downturn arrives when we'll desperately need some tools to help the economy).
I would rather have seen lower growth and sound policies than what we've got by completely using up every single thing that can provide a scintilla of growth. You generally pay for that crazed single-minded short-term thinking.
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I think hes pointing out the economy is rolling. People are so concerned about stupid crap, yet the important thing is Americans have jobs.
I wish I knew how to put something from twitter on here. Andrew Cuomo with an unbelievable tweet. Basically says the women play same game better than the men, the men should be paid less.
I couldn't believe he wrote pay the men less. I just think the obvious answer is have the men play the women, winner gets more money. LOL With everything going in society with equality and gender changes, they should just have one league. Both men and women play in it.
I couldn't believe he wrote pay the men less. I just think the obvious answer is have the men play the women, winner gets more money. LOL With everything going in society with equality and gender changes, they should just have one league. Both men and women play in it.
Click on the tweet in twitter, copy the URL and insert it into the link button at top of what you’re posting
Just like everyone complaining in this thread that these soccer players do not "honor" the country the same way they do?
Here’s the thing, the women’s team relies on what they make from playing for the national team, they get paid very little from the NWSL teams or club teams, and rely on the money they get paid for friendly’s, tournaments, etc. I really don’t think they get much other than the World Cup, same with the men’s team. Morgan, Lloyd, Rapinoe can probably do decently with sponsorship deals, but most of the players don’t get much of that because the popularity isn’t there.
Now the men for the most part do not need the money being paid by the USSF. Bradley is the highest paid player in the mls, around 6-7 million.. Altidore is up there too. Adams, Mckinnie, Brooks, Yedlin, and Pulisic do very well in Europe and don’t need the extra income from friendly’s, and other games. Again the one time they make good money is the World Cup. Not all the players make great money, most of the other mls guys make ok money but not Bradley or Altidore money...
The women rely on the check for USSF. This is more important for them because of the lack of money coming in from club teams. Because of the money being made by club teams you won’t hear the men say a word because it’s a non issue. Only time I’ve ever heard a men’s team have an issue are teams from Africa who don’t have players making big money from club teams and for many this is their one chance to make decent money.
Now the men for the most part do not need the money being paid by the USSF. Bradley is the highest paid player in the mls, around 6-7 million.. Altidore is up there too. Adams, Mckinnie, Brooks, Yedlin, and Pulisic do very well in Europe and don’t need the extra income from friendly’s, and other games. Again the one time they make good money is the World Cup. Not all the players make great money, most of the other mls guys make ok money but not Bradley or Altidore money...
The women rely on the check for USSF. This is more important for them because of the lack of money coming in from club teams. Because of the money being made by club teams you won’t hear the men say a word because it’s a non issue. Only time I’ve ever heard a men’s team have an issue are teams from Africa who don’t have players making big money from club teams and for many this is their one chance to make decent money.
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Yes, not standing for the anthem or whatever BS she does is pretty disrespectful. Sure, I guess its her right, but hes a POS, same as Kaepernick.
Good summary, but isn't that the supply and demand of the sport? If most of them can't get great endorsement deals and the NWSL (which doesn't draw). I understand their conundrum, but that's not the USSF's problem. Not apples to apples, but look at how little minor league baseball players get (AAA) compared to majors...its like poverty.
Got you all hot and bothered but you don't even know what she was doing?
She was standing.
Which is why I think the entire argument is misguided. The women get a salary and benefits through the USWNT. The men are on a bonus pay structure. Based on what I've read, the pay to the USMNT and USWNT is not vastly different after the latest collective bargaining agreement.
Offer the women the same exact pay structure as the men and see what happens. Will they give up their salary and benefits for the bonus based model? Because the salaries in the NWSL are pretty low, the USWNT salaries probably help support the women through the non World Cup and Olympic years. Maybe they'd make the same as they do now during the non-tournament years, but the $100k salary is probably a nice guarantee for them.
The only thing worth debating is the USMNT and USWNT payments from the USSF. The rest isn't worth comparing as it has nothing to do with the USMNT and USWNT. Unfortunately no one is articulating that point. It's just a bunch of people yelling equal pay without knowing all of the facts. Just give them the same exact payment and bonus structure tied to revenue or net income and be done with it.
Also, Cuomo is an idiot.
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I know she has knelt before. I haven't paid one iota to this new controversy. Like I said she is a &%$#@ like Kaepernick.
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