Go read what Allan Dershowitz says. He's smarter than all of us and he's a critic of both sides equally. His answer. Not guilty.
Seems Like Donald Trump Jr admitted to looking for Russian Info
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Possibly guilty as long as they also charge all others who are as guilty.
Much of this was known before the election on all sides but only now are you the great defender of the law???
I agree 100%, especially with a President who believes in enforcing immigration law.
They are the great defender of the lobbyists interests. If they change healthcare or anything else the lobbyists could be screwed. Kid Rock for senate. He's another guy who won't be a puppet of the lobbyists.
Lol. He has been a shill for fox. He's getting paid to say that.
He is basically saying that law couldn't possibly apply to anyone because journalists are protected. We will see how it plays out, but I think the law is there because it's an actual law and not just words written down that can be ignored by someone connected to a political campaign.
Read the law. Explain how Don is not guilty.
None of us are trying the case. None of our opinions matter, but the apologists here are way over the top.
I love it. Didn't realize we can't enforce laws unless we find everyone who may be guilty first.
2 points for originality.
How so? Prison stocks have done exceptionally well since November.
I was pointing that out?
Lol, how is that a deflection?
Charge every politician who has broken this law, as I said previously.
I'd still love to know your logic behind Don Jr not being guilty, besides the idea that he's not guilty because we haven't found everyone else who is guilty first. That's not real.
So based on this logic. Because people are on a channel they are obviously being paid what to say. So anything you hear on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or read in any newspaper is all about what people are being paid to say or write. So unless you did your own investigation, which I'm sure you haven't and neither have any of us, there is nothing to say. We know nothing as true or false, just what people are paid to say. So how can you say he is guilty?
So pretend a guy admits he went to a drug dealer to buy drugs, tried the drugs, but tells law enforcent the drugs weren't as good as he was expecting.
Did that guy break the law?
He broke a federal election law. I cited the actual law he broke. That is how I can say he is guilty.
You can not accept anything of value for a political campaign from a foreign national. Don Jr admitted he did that.
Your argument is the the drugs were drugs, but they weren't good drugs.
The defense of the Trump campaign and their supporters has morphed over the past few months from:
1) There were no meetings with Russians. Pence actually said of course there were no meetings why would there be? MAnafort said there were no meetings. This turned out to be a bald face lie as multiple people in the campaign met with Russian officials including, Sessions, Manafort and Jared Kushner.
2) Trump campaign then moved the bar and said there were meetings but nothing about the campaign. Certainly no collusion or getting help from the Russians.
Now we have the Trump Jr emails and of course #2 turns out to be a lie. The defense moved the bar again.
3) The latest defense is well, there were meetings and yes we wanted information but no crimes were broken.
Doesn't the fact that the White House and the Trump campaign lied over and over about the first 2 issues alone trouble you as a citizen? Forget the crime. The fact that the Trump campaign were willing to work with the Russian Government to win an election does not trouble you to the core?
1) There were no meetings with Russians. Pence actually said of course there were no meetings why would there be? MAnafort said there were no meetings. This turned out to be a bald face lie as multiple people in the campaign met with Russian officials including, Sessions, Manafort and Jared Kushner.
2) Trump campaign then moved the bar and said there were meetings but nothing about the campaign. Certainly no collusion or getting help from the Russians.
Now we have the Trump Jr emails and of course #2 turns out to be a lie. The defense moved the bar again.
3) The latest defense is well, there were meetings and yes we wanted information but no crimes were broken.
Doesn't the fact that the White House and the Trump campaign lied over and over about the first 2 issues alone trouble you as a citizen? Forget the crime. The fact that the Trump campaign were willing to work with the Russian Government to win an election does not trouble you to the core?
Really? You are comparing that to dealing with the enemy. Ok. Not much more to speak with you guys about this. So, according to you unless Trump clearly committed a crime and probably that it has to be on video for you to be convinced of that, you will continue to support him? Is this accurate?
You had a nice post until this. Nothing to support "willing to work with the Russian Government" yet. The meeting may have been possibly illegal, but a mere meeting to possibly receive information already in someone's possession but was never actually received is not working with someone.
If you asked me to meet with you so you can provide me info on Seton Hall recruiting doesn't mean I worked with you on getting said info.
You're adding the "tried the drugs" thing. No info was shared, at least that's what the ex-Russian military guy said so that is fact.
DONALD TRUMP JR admitted it!!!
He literally said the information he got was vague ambiguous and made no sense (drugs weren't good)
YOU CAN NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING OF VALUE FROM A FOREIGN NATIONAL. That is the law.
If the law said you were not allowed to accept information about recruiting from people named cernj... you would be breaking the law if you hit the info from him.
He admitted to bad information, not no information. He didn't say she said nothing. He said vague and ambiguous.
I didn't think you were this stubborn.
But you VOTED for a candidate that openly lied about her phone usage and communication of classified material. Doesn't that trouble you?
This is the epitome of getting pulled over for driving 56 mph. Keep doing your research. Just about every election candidate meets with foreign governments while running for president. Do you really think everything discussed is 100% clean?
Vague:
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a : not clearly expressed : stated in indefinite terms vague accusations
b : not having a precise meaning a vague term of abuse
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a : not clearly defined, grasped, or understood :
Ambiguouos
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a : doubtful or uncertain especially from obscurity or indistinctness eyes of an ambiguous color
b : inexplicable
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: capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways an ambiguous smile an ambiguous term a deliberately ambiguous reply
Sounds like no information.
I get the bitterness over Trump's win, I don't like him either as president but your posts show you could care less about legality except to nail a person you hate in Trump.
Yea and I said the same thing then. I would have voted for most republicans over Hillary, but not Trump.
No. I'm not saying that. I'm saying it is illegal to accept opposition research from a foreign national because it is something of value. (Campaigns pay for it)
noth·ing
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not anything; no single thing.
It's still the bad drug analogy. It wasn't 0 drugs. It was bad drugs.
We don't know what info was shared. We only know Donald Jr said vague ambiguous info was shared... Not No info.
So you and cern seem like hypocrites being so outraged by a lying politician.
Every politican lies. I'm not outraged at lying. Don't think I ever implied I was.
I am concerned about the influence Russia may have over Trump, which is why they helped him win.
Trump Jr at a minimum already admitted breaking the law.
The hypocrisy I see is people here who called Hillary's server "illegal" even though it wasn't yet keep finding absurd excuses for Don Jr.
Luckily none of our opinions on this matter, and the outcome of the investigation will be whatever it is.
I'all tell you what, if The investigation concludes and there was zero wrong doing by the Trump campaign, I'll add a signature to my posts that says "but have no idea what I'm taking about because I'm a partisan hack" if you all agree to do the same.
Who is "supporting" Trump Jr? Let's see where this goes but objectively speaking there is one shady meeting that has been confirmed thus far.
Nobody but the fact that people think this is the first time this ever happened is insane. Candidates deal with other countries during the election process all of the time. To believe all dealings are clean is dumb. The funny thing will be when we start hearing they let this lady in the country without a visa as a setup. It's turning into a soap opera as opposed to coming up with ideas to move this country forward.
Agree...it may turn out that the DNC will be guilty of far more with what happened with Ukraine officials. People still can't accept Trump as President, so you are seeing this non-stop hysteria and ignoring the stuff their party/leaders have done. Last week I was in Chicago at a trade meeting (healthcare executives and MD's from across the country..you know those "highly educated" types.). Political conversations were the norm, and I just listened. There was definitely a "Russia-fatigue" vibe and a general disgust that Congress is ignoring the big issues. No one likes Trump, but the increased disdain of Congress and the MSM was palpable.
No, we are outraged of a politician that deals with Russia, an enemy of the US. Let's not say that what was happening with the Russians equate to the typical politician lies. George Bush "Read my lips, No more new taxes." That is a politician lie. This cannot be compared to what is going on with Trump.
No it is not normal for any politician to meet with the Russians. No its is not normal nor is it acceptable to meet with the Russians for opposition information. It is not normal to take a meeting with an high official of the Russian Government as the email state. You guys keep your head in the sand as we have this go on.
Your constant deflecting about the issues is parroting what Trump does. What is it? Can't deal with the subject matter at hand?
Go read the Forbes article written in 2009 well before this happened about how Ted Kennedy met with The USSR. Clinton people met with the people from the Ukraine, a country highly connected to Putin, where's the outrage! Maybe in a perfect world you are correct, but this world is far from perfect and this is a more common practice than you think.
Ok, I took your advice and read the Forbes article. I am outraged about Ukraine.
Now that we have accomplished both items on your checklist, we have two paths forward. Continue the investigation or drop the whole thing and move on. What should we do?
No one is deflecting, but you are really coming across as an unhinged partisan. First of all, did Trump meet with any Russians? We know Donald Jr. met with these folks and thus far there doesn't even seem to be a second meeting or follow-up. You may want to follow your partisan talking points, but I'll wait to see how this plays out.
I think we need to move forward with healthcare, tax reform, immigration, and other real issues. Or we can be fair and look into every election since World War II and find out the truth about the history of America politics and be in no better place than we are today 10 years from now. Let's stop wasting our time on things both parties did 10 years ago and 10 months ago and get on with moving forward
