This I do agree with.
While it’s been a nightmare for SHU and Holloway, it seems there is an inordinate amount of losses in and among the power 6 schools.
Sha hot seat
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While it’s been a nightmare for SHU and Holloway, it seems there is an inordinate amount of losses in and among the power 6 schools.
Shaheen went from having a potential top 25 preseason team, featuring two preseason all-BE level players, to a complete mess of a roster that can't crack 60 points. Meanwhile, most of the coaches in his league - including guys like Kim English and Kyle Neptune, who have half of Shaheen's coaching credentials -- seem to be swimming in NIL money. Must feel great.
Sha signed a 6 year deal at $2.4 million a year and SH is not going to eat the money remaining on his contract.
The sport is fundamentally different now than it was before Sha was hired. And while success or failure is due in part to the head coach, schools like Seton Hall will never have success in an unregulated NIL era without a consistent influx of donations that aren’t spearheaded by the fanbase. Perhaps we can have some dark horse runs in the tournament every 10 years, but no coach will be able to bring sustained success accustomed to a top tier Big 6 team.
We just don’t have the money, nor we do have enough successful alumni willing to donate.
We just don’t have the money, nor we do have enough successful alumni willing to donate.
I don’t buy that at all. We can point to countless examples of college programs that have done well without having the same level of “resources” as the power schools. And in other sports where spending is basically unrestricted (like MLB). It might make the job harder, but it’s always been harder for the smaller non-football Catholic schools, by and large, including Seton Hall.
There is a difference between saying Sha is on the “hot seat”, which I think is laughable, and constructive criticism, which is legitimate.
And, for the 100th time, NIL is absolutely no reason for us to have looked and played how we’ve looked and played against our schedule to date.
It’s also going to be harder to raise future NIL$ from the average fan if this is how the $ is being spent.
This. But it really requires you to have sharp talent evaluation and a clear plan. To date I see neither with this current roster. Hope it changes.
On the NIL the only caveat is if we wildly misspent the money on such poor evaluations. We see pro teams do this all the time. It’s already a long time to look this dreadful offensively.
Which ones? (I do agree that a loss to Monmouth has nothing to do with NIL).
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To think his seat is even warm is an absolute joke..he’s one of our own..had a decent season last year and we owe him way way too much money to eat
Also, anyone who thinks/thought he is some great coach is clueless too..I said this long ago and was ran off of the board as a Willard fanboy that people I know in the sport (albeit only a small few) never had much good to say about Sha and his ability to run a program…lots of red flags everywhere. Also every one of his St. Peter’s teams were ATROCIOUS offensively in the MAAC, this is not new
He has proven to be an excellent tournament coach, this sport places a ridiculous amount on tournaments so that’s a big plus…the negative is most of those tournaments are single game random outcomes and his actual season coaching has always been average at best.
Hope he figures it out for our sake
Also, anyone who thinks/thought he is some great coach is clueless too..I said this long ago and was ran off of the board as a Willard fanboy that people I know in the sport (albeit only a small few) never had much good to say about Sha and his ability to run a program…lots of red flags everywhere. Also every one of his St. Peter’s teams were ATROCIOUS offensively in the MAAC, this is not new
He has proven to be an excellent tournament coach, this sport places a ridiculous amount on tournaments so that’s a big plus…the negative is most of those tournaments are single game random outcomes and his actual season coaching has always been average at best.
Hope he figures it out for our sake
Does depaul, gtown, prov have more NIL than we do? If so, whats gheir
I wouldnt call last season "decent" shaheen was robbed of an ncaa tournament bid in his 2nd year. 13 wins in conference is better.than decent
Robbed or not we didn’t make NCAA Tournament, a lot of those 13 wins were against the bottom of the league and the no show vs St Johns is unforgivable
The UConn Marquette and NIT run were awesome
Add it together that’s decent
I thought year 1 was average. I thought year 2 was better than “decent” simply because I thought we would finish in the bottom half of the league. The OOC counts, and that was bad (though nothing like this year), but the conference season was very good. I thought we would be NIT and we ended up there but we were a legit borderline bubble that had a good case to be in the dance.
As far as him being an excellent tournament coach, I’m not sure I can go that far based on the resume to date. He had an unreal run at SPU and that buys you a lot, but we’ve gone one and out in his two BE tourneys, losing to a bad DePaul team with an even worse coach and then getting destroyed by St Johns in what was basically a “last 4 in” NCAA tournament game.
Like most good but not great teams in any conference they beat the middle to bottom and steal a few. Plus the very questionable ot game against creighton. Finished 4th 1 game behind creighton. Was creighton decent? Thats a good season, def not decent.
for the 100th time IT DOES. it adjusted Sha's strategy of taking flyer on damaged goods in order to compete in the big east. boom or bust guys and it's been complete bust this year.
these guys had talent at one point but are appearing not only bad, but uncoachable. this roster doesn't look like this under NIL.
and maybe this will stick in your head... he lost his two best players because NIL. a PG (which we are missing) and our most fundamentally sound player. he wanted to replace the talent without money. that gets you this mess of damaged goods.
btw what are the countless examples? less funding than us?? ill start counting
Nobody said lifetime. Its his 3rd year and in the middle of major NIL changes. You have to give these types of programs 5-6 years. Didnt calipari.say recently hes gotta switch up his entire style of recruiting due to NIL? Shit, good coaches have quit due to it. Really tells you something about the changes these coaches have to make overnight.
i don’t think nil hurts nearly as much as people here say it does…the transfer rule is killing us and Sha deserves slack with that
I hope he makes improvements and we have to worry about keeping him
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Did we not just lose by far our best player, a potential NBA player, to a cross-town rival, purely because we couldn’t pay him with Slick Rick could? Or did he leave for some other reason?
Both. Didn’t want to play for sha anymore + they gave him more than we initial had available
This whole "Sha Hot Seat" premise is preposterous. This year looks terrible but his seat is not even room temperature.
Question the team make up, talent, and his coaching this season but his seat is right where it always has been. Sha is one of us.
Question the team make up, talent, and his coaching this season but his seat is right where it always has been. Sha is one of us.
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Most of this thread is ridiculous. Steve is absolutely correct.
It’s the combination of both NIL and the transfer rule that is toxic for the game and is crippling for SHU.
Transfer rule:
Maybe a player doesn’t transfer because they have to sit out even if they are getting paid.
NIL rule:
Maybe a player doesn’t transfer even if they don’t have to sit out, because they have familiarity with the program, are next in line to get minutes, and care about their degree. Especially if they aren’t getting paid.
The combination of the two just makes too much sense to not grab the money while you can.
100% agree
The fact of the matter is Sha had\has NIL limitations since he got here and he has made the best of what he has had. Look at what Kadary has produced before and after Sha.
Last years team winning the NIT should equivalent to winning the first round game in the tournament or at least a tournament team.
This years team has no nucleus and the key pieces are not game changers. Colman and Tubek are both playing well for Sophomores and Wusu is a decent player but not a game changer.
The players that they brought in are young and need development, the depth of this team are all sophomores and freshman. They need time to develop and gel.
The elder classman are all from mid majors and they are going to need team basketball to succeed. As of right now the team isnt there yet and need to gel. Sha clearly didnt invest his money here or you would see the minuets shifted to just the upper classman.
If this season is a total flop as long as the players stay this team has a lot of promise for next year. I think its a chess move to have Sha keep the deep bench because it allows all of them to grow and know that they will get PT going forward.
Sha is all about transparency and he is doing exactly what he said he was set out to do. The other thing he preached was his team get better as the year goes on. People need to just chill out and let him do his work.
In my opinion the biggest concern is the free throw percentage.
