This will be the only thread on Covid here

[dutchpride]

They are still not forthcoming with all of the information (therapies, prevention, etc.). They are forcing the vaccination message. There is a clear intent to the messaging.

Yup. And to anyone who thinks this isn't political, check this out. It is from the New England Journal of Medicine (you may recall, they did a full report on Brian Oliver's miraculous recovery from a knee injury in 2013, per Kevin Willard):

Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era | NEJM

Perspective from The New England Journal of Medicine — Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era

www.nejm.org

This was written by, yes, doctors and scientists. Here is the key passage:

We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

Yet at the top, there is this amendment:

Editor’s Note: This article was published on April 1, 2020, at NEJM.org. In a letter to the editor on June 3, 2020, the authors of this article state “We strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods.”

You think those doctors/scientists weren't pressured into writing that letter? If you don't, I'll take you to the apartment Elvis shares with Jim Morrison and Jimmy Hoffa.

 

[Old_alum]

I appreciate opposing views and debate, but I also think it’s fair to say that his viewpoint is in the minority among the medical community. Also true that some of the past stuff he said like asymptomatic people didn’t spread Covid proved to be entirely false… so why would you trust what he is saying compared to the majority of the medical community?

Why would one believe him?
1. His credentials; 2. His peer-reviewed journal citations; 3. His cited personal clinical experience; 4. His confirmation by the CDC that — contrary to prior CDC statements—- there has been zero substantiated instance of a person contracting COVID More than once; 5. That not a single teaching hospital has published iits own COVID patient treatment procedure as is customary; and ,I guess, Anecdotally, the million dollar offer for anyone who will publicly debate these topics with his colleague .(whose name escapes me)

This is my first exposure to Dr McCulloch, so I am not aware that he said that asymptomatic people cannot spread COVID nor that such a statement is proven to be false. He did say as I remember that when an asymptomatic person tests positive such a result is a false positive 97% of the time.

Also I found his data on the efficacy of the Vax compelling and the fact that about 27% or 37% of Delta transmissions in Barnstable County MA were from vaccinated person to vaccinated person was noteworthy

Finally I found the peer reviewed articles he cites to be extremely interesting

and FWIW I often find the CDC and FDA actions/ pronouncements bewildering, but I do want to learn

 

[shufan1993]

Sobering numbers from the Garden State. 6000+ cases for the third straight day. A pandemic first. I remember when posters were telling me this pandemic would be over in June 2021. Who would have have thought we would have a "pandemic first" in December 2021? Unfortunately there will be greater spikes in 2022 and 2023 as well.

Governor Murphy said today that capacity limits could be back soon.

N.J. adds 6,352 COVID cases and 33 deaths — the third consecutive day cases broke 6,000, a pandemic first

The soaring and somber numbers prompted Gov. Phil Murphy to say Friday that the state could soon need new restrictions to combat the latest surge.

www.nj.com

 

[HallBall02]

I intend to have more to say later, but as for now: 1--The fact that vaccines don't prevent the virus is pretty obvious. This week has proven that. So it doesn't matter who is or isn't vaccinated in terms of assessing blame. Period.

2--I would hesitate to believe Pfizer's estimation of the situation, considering its financial stake in keeping this going as long as possible, and administering as many shots and boosters as possible. It's like--old-school reference alert--asking Willie Sutton for tips on safeguarding your bank. That's just my natural skepticism. It's kinda like natural immunity, which used to be a thing until March 2020.

3--Similar old-school reference. You can't keep saying, well, get this booster, and that booster. It becomes like Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam. I dare you to cross this line, that line, this line, that line, this line. Where does it end, and how many variants does it perhaps create? You're eventually driving down a highway with no off-ramp. We are going to see more and more pushback. Look at the NFL right now.

4--I can't stress this enough. STOP TESTING ASYMPTOMATIC ATHLETES. It is the only way out of this mess. We'll be spinning our wheels for the rest of our natural lives if we don't. This cursed thing isn't going away. It seems to be here to stay. Put it this way--if you're playing a 1-2-2 zone, and it is getting shredded, wouldn't you go man at some point? To keep re-doing the same policies that haven't worked is the real-world equivalent, but that is what TPTB are doing. It has to change.

Huge flaws in every single point. Plus poor writing by not clearly identifing what the author is talking about …”it’s clear the vaccines don’t prevent the virus”. Is that English? Don’t prevent the virus from what ? Transmitting? Virus from causing deaths, hospitalizations? They don’t prevent prolonged contagious spread? So flawed.

Sayings from cartoons to try to explain medical related stuff? What?

Please do more research before posting. You can do better JP.

 

[Shupirate2020]

I hate to say it but this feels a lot like late February/early March 2020. Not to say we will go into full lockdown again but seems like there’s a possibility this season will be interrupted to some extent. thinking that a ncaa wide covid pause or capacity limits in arenas could be in play.

 

[dutchpride]

Huge flaws in every single point. Plus poor writing by not clearly identifing what the author is talking about …”it’s clear the vaccines don’t prevent the virus”. Is that English? Don’t prevent the virus from what ? Transmitting? Virus from causing deaths, hospitalizations? They don’t prevent prolonged contagious spread? So flawed.

Sayings from cartoons to try to explain medical related stuff? What?

Please do more research before posting. You can do better JP.

I haven't done the research, but I've read Alex Berenson, and he is as good as it gets. I implore all of you to read him. He does not just regurgitate talking points. It will give you a different perspective than the people who are in Fauci's pocket.

 

[shu09]

Skepticism is good, but he pushes conspiracies. Says for example that the government intentionally withheld Covid treatment in order to vaccinate the population.

Just because something is true doesn't make it a conspiracy.

 

[HALL85]

I became symptomatic last Friday, and immediately began monitoring my pulse ox, which was running between 94-98. Got confirmed PCR test and my physician immediately set up a telemedicine call (his nurse called FIVE MINUTES after my results were posted. She did a thorough assessment and I had the virtual call the next day. Told him symptoms and temperature and pulse ox readings for the three days. He said that the most important thing you can do is have a pulse ox device in your house and monitor the results (and report them to your physician). He said due to the nature of the disease a lot of people didn’t get admitted fast enough because you can be walking around with a walking pneumonia and have no idea. Hours and days mean something.

I asked him why this wasn’t part of the government messaging. He nodded and chuckled which led to a discussion on further prevention and the lack of comprehensive messaging.

Conspiracy? Probably not. Incompetence or politicized? Yup.

 

[dutchpride]

And just to show that I try to analyze and think for myself, although I agree w/most of what Berenson says, I don't blindly rubber-stamp all of it. He repeatedly has said long Covid is not a thing. I know Tony Bozzella would disagree, and I agree with Tony.. Like many, Berenson can be a bit dogmatic.

 

[SHUisNJsTeam]

They are still not forthcoming with all of the information (therapies, prevention, etc.). They are forcing the vaccination message. There is a clear intent to the messaging.

Stuff that is long time tested and actually works does provide the financial windfall the elite want!

 

[Robot_Man]

I haven't done the research, but I've read Alex Berenson, and he is as good as it gets. I implore all of you to read him. He does not just regurgitate talking points. It will give you a different perspective than the people who are in Fauci's pocket.

Alex Berenson was dubbed the "Pandemic's Wrongest Man" by the Atlantic back in April. I wish I could show you many of his bad/wrong takes since the pandemic started, but his Twitter account was banned in August for repeated violations of its COVID misinformation policy. He's much closer to as bad as it gets.

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

www.google.com

 

[shu09]

Alex Berenson was dubbed the "Pandemic's Wrongest Man" by the Atlantic back in April. I wish I could show you many of his bad/wrong takes since the pandemic started, but his Twitter account was banned in August for repeated violations of its COVID misinformation policy. He's much closer to as bad as it gets.

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

www.google.com

That's if you believe the people bought and paid for who are controlling the narrative. Berenson is independent, does well researched work and doesn't follow the talking points issued to mainstream media like the Atlantic.

Twitter is a cesspool full of academics and liberal activists posing as "journalists." They ban anything that they don't agree with and call it "misinformation" because they know they can get away with it.

 

[bac2therac]

I haven't done the research, but I've read Alex Berenson, and he is as good as it gets. I implore all of you to read him. He does not just regurgitate talking points. It will give you a different perspective than the people who are in Fauci's pocket.

Berenson nailed what was going on in Israel in April and May with vaxxed spread and got banned. Doesn't always get things right but he has really exposed Fauci big Pharm and CDC as frauds

 

[bac2therac]

Alex Berenson was dubbed the "Pandemic's Wrongest Man" by the Atlantic back in April. I wish I could show you many of his bad/wrong takes since the pandemic started, but his Twitter account was banned in August for repeated violations of its COVID misinformation policy. He's much closer to as bad as it gets.

The Pandemic’s Wrongest Man

In a crowded field of wrongness, one person stands out: Alex Berenson.

www.google.com

You are wrong on this

 

[shu09]

Berenson nailed what was going on in Israel in April and May with vaxxed spread and got banned. Doesn't always get things right but he has really exposed Fauci big Pharm and CDC as frauds

Yep, I remember that. The vaccine faded quickly in Israel and he was one of the first, if not the very first, to let everyone know about it.

 

[bac2therac]

At least you can talk covid on your board. On our board we have to pretend like a game wasn't cancelled today

 

[SHallguy2]

I became symptomatic last Friday, and immediately began monitoring my pulse ox, which was running between 94-98. Got confirmed PCR test and my physician immediately set up a telemedicine call (his nurse called FIVE MINUTES after my results were posted. She did a thorough assessment and I had the virtual call the next day. Told him symptoms and temperature and pulse ox readings for the three days. He said that the most important thing you can do is have a pulse ox device in your house and monitor the results (and report them to your physician). He said due to the nature of the disease a lot of people didn’t get admitted fast enough because you can be walking around with a walking pneumonia and have no idea. Hours and days mean something.

I asked him why this wasn’t part of the government messaging. He nodded and chuckled which led to a discussion on further prevention and the lack of comprehensive messaging.

Conspiracy? Probably not. Incompetence or politicized? Yup.

I tested positive Monday, after reading your post I’m absolutely changing out my doctor beginnning of 2022. I called my doctor Tuesday right after confirming I was positive. His office tells me the doctor doesn’t have any time for a phone call this week and tries to schedule me for next week. I responded I might be dead by next week and asked her if she was kidding? She called me back 4 hours later with a message from the doctor. If I was having trouble breathing go to St. Joseph’s hospital. You could only get this type of medical attention in NJ. You have to be gasping for air in NJ to get the antibody. In Florida you get sick you get the antibody you go back to your life. In NJ they want you to suffer for as long as possible. You can really learn a lot about your doctor in this type of situation.

 

[Robot_Man]

You are wrong on this

Am I as wrong as Alex Berenson when he predicted the US wouldn't reach 500,000 COVID deaths?

 

[Hallsome]

What is a curious to me reading through all of these posts is the little mention that is made of making decisions after having conversations with your personal physician. Why would I take the advice of an anonymous message board poster; or a politician; or an MSM talking head who knows nothing about your health/risk profile? If you don’t have a primary care physician that you can trust or will spend the time with you, start there. Everything else is noise.

No, the State of NY’s commercials on YES, etc, are the voice you need to follow.

100%, please don’t listen to posters like Hall85 and sh09 for advice. If you did you wouldn’t get the vaccine and then be worried aliens like Jeff Bezos are listening to you through your smart phone and are plotting against you with a grand scheme to take your freedom away and sell you medications you don’t need.

The simple fact is that most PCPs will recommend vaccine plus booster for most adults.

Also is true that most PCPs also follow CDC recommendations blindly especially bc they do not always have time to do the deep research themselves.

There are exceptions but I can give folks here a blanket statement and say “get your booster if you haven’t already!” and will feel I am helping my fellow pirate crew posters.

The guys you call out got vaccinated but merely support choice and ask legitimate questions. I appreciate your help however. You have been steadfast in that regard.

 

[Robot_Man]

That's if you believe the people bought and paid for who are controlling the narrative. Berenson is independent, does well researched work and doesn't follow the talking points issued to mainstream media like the Atlantic.

Twitter is a cesspool full of academics and liberal activists posing as "journalists." They ban anything that they don't agree with and call it "misinformation" because they know they can get away with it.

I believe people who don't spread wrong/bad information to the point that they need to be physically removed from their social media platform.

 

[Pirates13]

I tested positive Monday, after reading your post I’m absolutely changing out my doctor beginnning of 2022. I called my doctor Tuesday right after confirming I was positive. His office tells me the doctor doesn’t have any time for a phone call this week and tries to schedule me for next week. I responded I might be dead by next week and asked her if she was kidding? She called me back 4 hours later with a message from the doctor. If I was having trouble breathing go to St. Joseph’s hospital. You could only get this type of medical attention in NJ. You have to be gasping for air in NJ to get the antibody. In Florida you get sick you get the antibody you go back to your life. In NJ they want you to suffer for as long as possible. You can really learn a lot about your doctor in this type of situation.

You definitely need a new doctor. I know someone who recently had Covid and got the antibody treatment with no issues. It’s kind of ridiculous to say it’s a NJ thing.

 

[bac2therac]

Am I as wrong as Alex Berenson when he predicted the US wouldn't reach 500,000 COVID deaths?

I said he didn't get everything right..want to do every health officials comments next

 

[bac2therac]

I believe people who don't spread wrong/bad information to the point that they need to be physically removed from their social media platform.

He was removed for comments about vaccines directly related to Israeli data which was called a conspiracy theory...which turned out to be exactly what happened across the globe

 

[HALL85]

I tested positive Monday, after reading your post I’m absolutely changing out my doctor beginnning of 2022. I called my doctor Tuesday right after confirming I was positive. His office tells me the doctor doesn’t have any time for a phone call this week and tries to schedule me for next week. I responded I might be dead by next week and asked her if she was kidding? She called me back 4 hours later with a message from the doctor. If I was having trouble breathing go to St. Joseph’s hospital. You could only get this type of medical attention in NJ. You have to be gasping for air in NJ to get the antibody. In Florida you get sick you get the antibody you go back to your life. In NJ they want you to suffer for as long as possible. You can really learn a lot about your doctor in this type of situation.

That is unconscionable. Like every profession there are people who just don’t give a crap.

Not to make you feel even worse, but when we did a TeleMed conference, we talked about what I was eligible for including the mAb treatment. I qualified because of my age. But he explained since I was in my fifth day he would have to put the order in to be infuse the following day. After seven days of onset it’s not an effective therapy. We discussed my symptoms, BMI, general health and said he would feel comfortable if I opted not to get it. I’ve heard good and bad stories. As I said earlier, the most important relationship you should have is with your PCP.If this pandemic doesn’t illustrate that, I don’t know what does.

 

[bac2therac]

This is what misinformation has done and fear mongering..a string of tweets from a cnn pundit..yiu can only laugh at his previous ignorance..the reality is many think just like him and believed the vaxx don't test positive and spread

Bluechecks gonna bluecheck

Wherein a CNN finds out that virus gonna virus and the vaccines don’t really work so good. Just wait until he hears that vaccinated people die o…

alexberenson.substack.com

 

[shu09]

This is what misinformation has done and fear mongering..a string of tweets from a cnn pundit..yiu can only laugh at his previous ignorance..the reality is many think just like him and believed the vaxx don't test positive and spread

Bluechecks gonna bluecheck

Wherein a CNN finds out that virus gonna virus and the vaccines don’t really work so good. Just wait until he hears that vaccinated people die o…

alexberenson.substack.com

Guess that's what happens when you've been brainwashed by "public health experts" and talking points for nearly two years. Maybe next they'll realize that covid isn't deadly for the vast majority of people and the risk, even of hospitalization, is quite low whether you're vaxxed or not. One can hope and then, maybe, we can move on from it.

 

[lokiSHU]

This is what misinformation has done and fear mongering..a string of tweets from a cnn pundit..yiu can only laugh at his previous ignorance..the reality is many think just like him and believed the vaxx don't test positive and spread

Bluechecks gonna bluecheck

Wherein a CNN finds out that virus gonna virus and the vaccines don’t really work so good. Just wait until he hears that vaccinated people die o…

alexberenson.substack.com

For a mainstream summary on knowledge on Covid: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-review-pandemic-2021

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

I haven't done the research, but I've read Alex Berenson, and he is as good as it gets. I implore all of you to read him. He does not just regurgitate talking points. It will give you a different perspective than the people who are in Fauci's pocket.

Dude, he posts absolute dreck like this. If you can’t spot the logically fallacy here you’re even dumber than he is. Sad.

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age

And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

alexberenson.substack.com

 

[shu09]

Dude, he posts absolute dreck like this. If you can’t spot the logically fallacy here you’re even dumber than he is. Sad.

Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age

And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government.

alexberenson.substack.com

So what's happening then? Why are those folks dying at a higher rate?

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

So what's happening then? Why are those folks dying at a higher rate?

What do you think are the demographics of the the group of vaccinated people in the (completely absurd to use) “10-59” age group? What do you think are the demographic of the unvaccinated people in that age group? Keeping in mind your answers to those two questions, does it seem sensible to compare those two populations?

 

[bac2therac]

Guess that's what happens when you've been brainwashed by "public health experts" and talking points for nearly two years. Maybe next they'll realize that covid isn't deadly for the vast majority of people and the risk, even of hospitalization, is quite low whether you're vaxxed or not. One can hope and then, maybe, we can move on from it.

There was some poll a few months back where Dems and Reubs were asked what percentage of covid cases were hospitalized..41% of Dems believed over half of covid cases caused hospitalization..wtf..how is that possible

They literally think if you covid and unvaxxed you will die or likely be in hospital..thats just not true

 

[shu09]

There was some poll a few months back where Dems and Reubs were asked what percentage of covid cases were hospitalized..41% of Dems believed over half of covid cases caused hospitalization..wtf..how is that possible

They literally think if you covid and unvaxxed you will die or likely be in hospital..thats just not true

They don't have a good grasp of the facts. They haven't from the start of this. If they do have a good grasp, there would then be no doubt that they have misled people. They over-exaggerated the risk to use as a political weapon in 2020 against the previous president. It worked. Will be interesting to see how they slither out of that position now that they are facing big losses in 2022...

 

[shu09]

What do you think are the demographics of the the group of vaccinated people in the (completely absurd to use) “10-59” age group? What do you think are the demographic of the unvaccinated people in that age group? Keeping in mind your answers to those two questions, does it seem sensible to compare those two populations?

Answer the original question instead of twisting the debate with more questions. Why are they dying at a higher rate?

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Answer the original question instead of twisting the debate with more questions. Why are they dying at a higher rate?

Are you really this stupid? What do they teach at Seton Hall anyway?

To take just one (obvious) answer: the average age of people in the vaccinated 10-59 age group is higher than the average age of people in the unvaccinated group, due to, among other reasons, the fact that the UK isn’t even offering two doses to most children 15 and younger. Is it surprising to you that a group of people that skews older has a higher all-cause death rate than a group that is filled with children and pre-teens?

 

[shufan1993]

Harvard going all virtual to start next semester

 

[HALL85]

Harvard going all virtual to start next semester

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Didn’t Harvard have a vaccine mandate for students and staff? If everyone is vaccinated what is the point of going virtual?

 

[shu09]

You don't know how many 10 year olds are sampled as opposed to 59 years olds.

On another note, covid hysterics like you truly seem surprised by old people dying. 80% of deaths over age 65. 95% of deaths over age 50. Yet you keep pretending that the risk is equal for everyone. It's not. Not by any means.

 

[shufan1993]

Didn’t Harvard have a vaccine mandate for students and staff?

Yes that's correct. Can you tell me how many are actually vaccinated at Harvard, though?

Seton hall had a requirement for all students to be vaccinated. But I read the actual percentage is 62%.

 

[shufan1993]

More cringe from the Biden Presidency. Biden actually took a selfie of himself too. This guy is a 🤡

 

[hallsoccer03]

They don't have a good grasp of the facts. They haven't from the start of this. If they do have a good grasp, there would then be no doubt that they have misled people. They over-exaggerated the risk to use as a political weapon in 2020 against the previous president. It worked. Will be interesting to see how they slither out of that position now that they are facing big losses in 2022...

I love how a seton hall fan and a Rutgers can put away their team interests and come together and agree on a topic… it can be done