I have no animosity towards Rutgers unlike some here. We play them once a year and that's the only game I really care about them. The issues we're discussing here are so much bigger than basketball.
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I have no animosity towards Rutgers unlike some here. We play them once a year and that's the only game I really care about them. The issues we're discussing here are so much bigger than basketball.
I just hope the virus continues mutating into a less virulent form so the loss of life slows/stops as much as possible... and (selfishly) those of us who do not get hyperpolitical do not have to hear this ridiculously politicized - and quite honestly, not reflected in "the real world" - debate over COVID for much longer.
That's what omicron is. We're watching the virus mutate down to a less virulent strain and burn out of the pandemic phase right before our eyes.
Hopefully this is correct and the data so far collected from South Africa seems to support this. So far…
Hopefully it is. If COVID becomes a flu shot kind of bug, where folks are generally okay and it's a recommended shot to get each year but no longer needs to be more or less required, that will be great.
It already is a flu-like bug for most people and it's becoming even less virulent than that...
From the most recent CDC data, there have been 716 deaths from flu nationwide so far this year and 405,397 from COVID. It is not on the same level at all. Hopefully it'll get there one day, but that day is not quite here yet. In the last week of this data set ending on 11 December, there were 8 deaths from flu and 2,569 from COVID. It may be trending that way but there's still a really long way to go for COVID to be much less virulent, on the scale of the flu. The flu averaged 1.8 deaths per 100,000 from 1999 to 2019 in the US. COVID is, as you can see, lots more than that... It's good that it's mild for most people but the scale is important to recognize. The scale is why folks who had non-COVID conditions died a lot more when there were spikes -- hospitals were too full to care for them so it was a "sorry we have no room" situation.
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That's why I said most people.... 80-90% of people who get it will not need hospital care. Even fewer will die. But it's highly transmissible (much more so than flu) so that's why you have a higher number of deaths. But for most who get it, it's similar to flu or not even nearly as bad.
It really comes down to your risk factors. If you're over the age of 50 and/or with co-morbidities, you should be more cautious. The problem with the policy of the last few years is that governmental policy has lumped EVERYONE into the same category when the facts show the risks to individual people are vastly different across the board.
Would love to see a debate between TV news Dr's on both sides (under oath) via Pay per View.
For your own wellbeing please listen to the two podcasts from Dr McCullough who mentions that the first few days are important. He has had good success with treatments which—- while disparaged by many pro-Vaxers —-have been proven safe and effective in peer-reviewed studies in with other diseases
But more in your own control he discusses good results with nasal aspirations of water and small amounts of iodine or hydrogen peroxide
Absolutely changing doctors. The crazy thing my regular doctor of 20 years died of covid mid 2020. Going to ask more questions before deciding on a new PCP. Also called St. Joseph’s hospital and was told the antibody treatment was strictly for people with breathing problems. Hospital also said my PCP needed to make the apt. for me. I’m convinced after my experience that the hospitals are full because many PCP’s are not doing there job. I had a lot of questions and wanted to be sure I was not making a mistake with my health. How many other individuals were in similar positions and opted to check themselves into hospitals to calm their worrries. Thankfully my brother is a retired physician who did his best to get me information to make an informed choice. Of course he helped only after hearing my frustration with the local doctors.
The Atlantic is a left wing propaganda rag. Zero credibility.
Reading this just makes me boil, which tells you I’m feeling better. This office has made a number of mistakes in the short time I’ve been in their care. I will not be going back.
That was not my intent to make you angry. You have rights as a patient and a good physician should be there when you need them most.
All of Rutgers players, staff and head coach are fully vaccinated, yet they experience breakthrough cases that shut down the team. I hope this stops the numb nuts who trash players for not getting vaccinated. The vaccine is S%$t against the Omicron variant.
PLEASE listen to the McCullough podcasts ASAP to better understand the treatment options and hospitals’ counterintuitive procedures. Time is if the essence
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I was fully vaccinated and got Covid. A good buddy was fully vaccinated and got the booster and yet got Covid. It's really not a vaccine but a therapeutic.
It really doesn't protect against serious illness. That's a real myth that gets relentlessly propagated by both corporate media and government.
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You're incorrect.
Vaccinared are 10 times less likely to get so sick they end up in the hospital.
Lol… Because you don’t understand what a vaccine is, you want to change the definition?
Whatever your views on the virus and the vaccine, it is absolutely clear that the vaccine helped keep people out of the hospital and ultimately saved many, many lives.
Ok. Measles vaccination isn’t a therapeutic it actually prevents one from contracting the disease. Covid vaccine unequivocally does not prevent one from contracting the disease.
Oh brother- just ask the millions that had Covid with the vaccine compared to those unvaccinated. I know many and believe me there’s a huge difference in severity of symptoms.
It is certainly not 100% but 85-90% of people with Covid in the hospital are not vaccinated. That data are hard to refute.
Actually the vaccine is just one way to keep yourself out of the hospital. The vast majority of people that have been hospitalized (vaccinated and unvaccinated) wait too long to get their symptoms addressed, or have failed to address comorbidities as a means of prevention.
You need to look up the definition of what a vaccine is before you argue that this isn’t one.
No one said it’s the only thing, but arguments denying they SIGNIFICANTLY helped reduce hospitalizations and deaths at this point is just absolutely incorrect.
It’s being promoted as the ONLY thing. If the goal is keeping people out of the hospital, shouldn’t that be the narrative to explain triaging symptoms, etc.? Message on how to avoid hospitalization? Especially now that 10-30% of hospitalizations are people that are vaccinated.
Or should we continue to pit one group against another? Because that’s working out really well.
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Those statistics are not trustworthy. They conflict to a significant extent with the statistics coming out of other nations.
I know some who got doubled vax and died from Covid. Anecdotal info isn't the most reliable. Try to see that there is an information war going on.
More people have died from Covid since we had the vaccines than before we had them, despite very high vaccination rates.
A vaccine is a substance that provides immunity. Are the people who get the Covid vaccine immune from Covid? If so why do they need to wear a mask? Heck why is Harvard looking to go remote for the month of January since they're all vaccinated? Why did Cornell shut down since they're all vaccinated? They all don't seem immune from Covid.
Catholic man - where do you get your inaccurate information from because it’s totally opposite of what is noted below: https://www.newsweek.com/breakthrough-infections-may-lead-super-immunity-covid-study-1660885
Devastating news about the Omicron variant. No this isn't the variant that will lead to the end of the pandemic. Its evading the treatments we use.
That's not true. If cases skyrocket, hospitals will be strained regardless. Stop posting falsehoods. Where do you get your inaccurate on information from?
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