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This will be the only thread on Covid here

That's not true. If cases skyrocket, hospitals will be strained regardless. Stop posting falsehoods. Where do you get your inaccurate on information from?
If very serious cases skyrocket, yes. If cases skyrocket and they are all mild cases, it won't be needed. I believe the expectation is this is a weaker variant, but as of now we have to wait to see how it plays out. It would be good to prepare without causing hysteria.
 
No matter what you think about it, there are people who are a lot smarter and more well informed by us that make these decisions.
I remember when I used to think this way. Unfortunately, the people that are smarter and more informed are not the same people who make the decisions. The people that make the decisions are politicians! Even if you believe that politicians are honest and have our best interests at heart (I don't), they are no better qualified to make these types of decisions than we are. A politician's expertise is politics. A scientist's expertise is science. An economist's expertise is economies, etc.

I have worked most of my life with and for the federal, state, and local governments and I can assure you that there is no such thing as a government expert. Not Joe Biden, not Donald Trump, and certainly not Fauci!

Do your own research, form your own opinions and make your own decisions. Let others do the same. Respecting someone's opinion is not trying to ban them from restaurants, sporting events, or earning a living.

from Oxford's dictionary:
pol·i·ti·cian /ˌpäləˈtiSHən/

a person who acts in a manipulative and devious way, typically to gain advancement within an organization.
 
If very serious cases skyrocket, yes. If cases skyrocket and they are all mild cases, it won't be needed. I believe the expectation is this is a weaker variant, but as of now we have to wait to see how it plays out. It would be good to prepare without causing hysteria.

Scientists beg to differ. We already know very serious cases will skyrocket because we still have a very large unvaccinated population here in America.
 
From the most recent CDC data, there have been 716 deaths from flu nationwide so far this year and 405,397 from COVID. It is not on the same level at all. Hopefully it'll get there one day, but that day is not quite here yet. In the last week of this data set ending on 11 December, there were 8 deaths from flu and 2,569 from COVID. It may be trending that way but there's still a really long way to go for COVID to be much less virulent, on the scale of the flu. The flu averaged 1.8 deaths per 100,000 from 1999 to 2019 in the US. COVID is, as you can see, lots more than that... It's good that it's mild for most people but the scale is important to recognize. The scale is why folks who had non-COVID conditions died a lot more when there were spikes -- hospitals were too full to care for them so it was a "sorry we have no room" situation.
These are misleading numbers. The PCR tests do not distinguish between COVID and Flu. They only determine the presence of a virus. The medical facilities then at their discretion name it covid or flu. There are financial benefits for being labeled COVID. Do you really believe that the flu which on a normal year causes anywhere from 30k to 50k deaths has only caused 716? Everyone needs to open their eyes. These numbers are lies. They are part of a political narrative. Be afraid, do what we say. They don't tell you that there have been close to 20k deaths from the vaccines and those numbers are under reported.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/12/4968311/t>
 
Scientists beg to differ. We already know very serious cases will skyrocket because we still have a very large unvaccinated population here in America.
And I’m sure you can find other scientists who beg to differ with those scientists. Let’s all do everything we can to stay healthy and keep our immune systems strong.
 
It’s being promoted as the ONLY thing. If the goal is keeping people out of the hospital, shouldn’t that be the narrative to explain triaging symptoms, etc.? Message on how to avoid hospitalization? Especially now that 10-30% of hospitalizations are people that are vaccinated.

Or should we continue to pit one group against another? Because that’s working out really well.

Because if you’re at risk today, and have not been vaccinated, your best protection is a time machine to go back in time 3 years and start eating better and working out more. 2nd best is to get vaccinated.

No one is putting one group against the other. The reason so many people died in the last wave is because people did not understand their risk and did not get vaccinated.
 
A vaccine is a substance that provides immunity. Are the people who get the Covid vaccine immune from Covid? If so why do they need to wear a mask? Heck why is Harvard looking to go remote for the month of January since they're all vaccinated? Why did Cornell shut down since they're all vaccinated? They all don't seem immune from Covid.

These vaccines do provide some level of protection and immunity. Not unlike flu vaccines really.
 
These vaccines do provide some level of protection and immunity. Not unlike flu vaccines really.
Some level of immunity? It’s either you’re immune or you’re not immune. Can a lady be some level of pregnant? From what I’ve seen no one is immune but it appears to minimize the impact at the risk of some side effects. You want to change the definition of immunity then sure there’s a level of immunity. Wouldn’t the brains at Harvard and Cornell calm their people down explaining their some level of immunity (whatever that means) is ok to stay on campus?
 
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Because if you’re at risk today, and have not been vaccinated, your best protection is a time machine to go back in time 3 years and start eating better and working out more. 2nd best is to get vaccinated.

No one is putting one group against the other. The reason so many people died in the last wave is because people did not understand their risk and did not get vaccinated.
You totally missed or ignored my point. What about the messaging to the vaccinated? Do they not matter once they’ve been vaccinated? Vaccinated people are being hospitalized more and more each day they’ve already taken the presidents advice. That’s it?

If we want to reduce hospitalizations, sure, recommend vaccinations, but it’s foolish to stop right there, because early intervention on symptoms is just as important.
 
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These vaccines do provide some level of protection and immunity. Not unlike flu vaccines really.
Based on your bizarre definition of level of immunity what's the difference between supplements that provide protection? Can I go to GNC and buy items that prevent disease and call them vaccines? I saw anti cancer supplements on the shelf the other day. I'm sure they provide some level of protection and immunity.
 
That’s a fair statement that the vaccines provide “some level of protection” to the virus, but that number is a moving target with the variants and more data available. I mentioned earlier, our six member household is all vaccinated and mostly boostered. Four of six got the virus in the past two weeks. You can determine how effective the protection is.
 
These are misleading numbers. The PCR tests do not distinguish between COVID and Flu. They only determine the presence of a virus. The medical facilities then at their discretion name it covid or flu. There are financial benefits for being labeled COVID. Do you really believe that the flu which on a normal year causes anywhere from 30k to 50k deaths has only caused 716? Everyone needs to open their eyes. These numbers are lies. They are part of a political narrative. Be afraid, do what we say. They don't tell you that there have been close to 20k deaths from the vaccines and those numbers are under reported.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/12/4968311/t>
PCR tests are used to detect genetic material of viruses. The tests are based on the genetic sequence of the virus it's testing for. RT-PCR tests used on COVID are specifically designed to look for the viral RNA, convert it into DNA, and then do genetic analysis to identify it. That's literally what the test is -- a test to determine a specific genetic code. See: https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2020/03/27/the-science-behind-the-test-for-the-covid-19-virus/

This type of analysis is used for research and clinical lab testing. PCR can detect all types of bacteria, parasites, viruses and fungi, starting with DNA or RNA. While the principle and ingredients are similar, each use requires specific primers or probes to detect different organisms. That's why something for SARS-CoV-2 had to be developed from scratch. During development, these sorts of tests are tweaked to make sure they are very good at detecting the organism of interest (sensitive) and making sure the test does not show a positive result when the organism is not there (specific).
 
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Fauci on omicron today:

1. Omicron will likely cause pandemic highs of hospitalizations in the United States

2. Omicron will likely cause pandemic highs of deaths in the United States

So no, its not mild like we originally thought

Well, I'm not sure that is necessarily true. If it's relatively mild but extremely contagious, it could still cause high levels of hospitalization and death just because of the scale
 
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Something to ponder. 5.4 million deaths globally, 275 million reported positives (both numbers actually much higher - lack of reporting from dozens of countries. This was all started by a little pangolin in Wuhan. And there have been other coronavirus’ before this strain that were far less deadly. What was so unique about this one? Could part of the issue be that our natural immunities have become compromised? Two years into this and the scientific community is still not sure what we’re dealing with and how to prepare for if it happens again. This is what I ponder while watching the Giants…
 
Well, I'm not sure that is necessarily true. If it's relatively mild but extremely contagious, it could still cause high levels of hospitalization and death just because of the scale

That's correct and that what Dr Tony's line of thinking is. That's why he sees record highs of deaths in the United States. Who would have thought we would see record highs in 2022? Some posters on this board incorrectly said the pandemic would be over by summer 2021.

As I have said several times this pandemic will carry on for the next several years. Silly to argue with me at this point.
 
The latest garden state numbers. The NJ Health department is now expecting this omicron wave to break NJ covid hospitalization admissions. Single day positive cases are now being broken every day. Who would have thought? I predicted this!

 
The latest garden state numbers. The NJ Health department is now expecting this omicron wave to break NJ covid hospitalization admissions. Single day positive cases are now being broken every day. Who would have thought? I predicted this!

How do we nominate you to be on Phil's staff? NJ needs you. What a waste of talent, yet we're all fortunate you're wasting your talents here for the benefits of us all. Thank you.

In all seriousness though. It's an 8 month high. As temperatures drop, one would expect transmission to go up. I would think this is common sense.
 
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How do we nominate you to be on Phil's staff? NJ needs you. What a waste of talent, yet we're all fortunate you're wasting your talents here for the benefits of us all. Thank you.

In all seriousness though. It's an 8 month high. As temperatures drop, one would expect transmission to go up. I would think this is common sense.

You would think, correct? But people on the LOTS board were insisting on telling me that the pandemic would be over in Summer 2021 and we wouldn't have any winter spike. Obviously that was very incorrect. As I have been saying since the beginning of this pandemic, we will be going through this for several more years.
 
PCR tests are used to detect genetic material of viruses. The tests are based on the genetic sequence of the virus it's testing for. RT-PCR tests used on COVID are specifically designed to look for the viral RNA, convert it into DNA, and then do genetic analysis to identify it. That's literally what the test is -- a test to determine a specific genetic code. See: https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2020/03/27/the-science-behind-the-test-for-the-covid-19-virus/

This type of analysis is used for research and clinical lab testing. PCR can detect all types of bacteria, parasites, viruses and fungi, starting with DNA or RNA. While the principle and ingredients are similar, each use requires specific primers or probes to detect different organisms. That's why something for SARS-CoV-2 had to be developed from scratch. During development, these sorts of tests are tweaked to make sure they are very good at detecting the organism of interest (sensitive) and making sure the test does not show a positive result when the organism is not there (specific).


BTW this was also confirmed by a close friend in the medical field.
 
I tested positive Monday, after reading your post I’m absolutely changing out my doctor beginnning of 2022. I called my doctor Tuesday right after confirming I was positive. His office tells me the doctor doesn’t have any time for a phone call this week and tries to schedule me for next week. I responded I might be dead by next week and asked her if she was kidding? She called me back 4 hours later with a message from the doctor. If I was having trouble breathing go to St. Joseph’s hospital. You could only get this type of medical attention in NJ. You have to be gasping for air in NJ to get the antibody. In Florida you get sick you get the antibody you go back to your life. In NJ they want you to suffer for as long as possible. You can really learn a lot about your doctor in this type of situation.
your experience is more common than you think.

attentive medical care is going down the tubes. its hard to even find a doctor in general these days
 

Show your "Friend in the medical field" this.

 
That's literal fake news lol -- https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/..._Retirement_CDC_2019_Novel_Coronavirus_1.html

That's the full explanation of withdrawing one specific CDC-made PCR test:

Does the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel confuse influenza with SARS-CoV-2?

No.
The CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel does not confuse influenza with SARS-CoV-2. It is a highly accurate test that detects the presence or absence of SARS-CoV-2 viral genetic material within a patient specimen.

Does the retirement of this test apply to all RT-PCR-based tests or all SARS-CoV-2 tests that have received Emergency Use Authorization from FDA?

No.
The discontinuation of Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) only applies to the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel test. It does not affect any other SARS-CoV-2 test that has received EUA from FDA.

Is CDC retiring the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel because it has produced inaccurate results?

No.
There are no performance concerns with this test. The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is a highly accurate test. It has been used to successfully detect SARS-CoV-2 since February 2020.

Since the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel continues to perform well, CDC will continue to make the design of the primers and probes used in the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel publicly available on the CDC website. Laboratories and test developers are free to use the design in their own research or diagnostic test.

CDC will also continue to extend Right of Reference to anyone who wishes to reference the data in CDC’s Emergency Use Authorization (EUA 200001) to support their own regulatory submission to FDA. The retirement of the test and the discontinuation of the associated EUA will have no impact on the availability of the design or Right of Reference. The CDC submission will remain on file at FDA.
 
And all asymptomatic. Why is this even a story? Stop testing asymptomatics! This nightmare is being prolonged by a focus on case counts, which mean nothing. Especially in the context of vaccinations being available.
stop testing asymptomatic or stop mandaring vaccines. doesnt make sense to do both. if you must test asymp then does that mean vaccines re bunk? if they are why mandate them?

there is some missing logic here after 2 yrs
 
stop testing asymptomatic or stop mandaring vaccines. doesnt make sense to do both. if you must test asymp then does that mean vaccines re bunk? if they are why mandate them?

there is some missing logic here after 2 yrs
???
 
stop testing asymptomatic or stop mandaring vaccines. doesnt make sense to do both. if you must test asymp then does that mean vaccines re bunk? if they are why mandate them?

there is some missing logic here after 2 yrs

There should be no mandates of any sort.
 
UK reports 7 deaths as of yesterday.
This is over hundreds of thousands of omnicron cases. Am I missing something. Let’s assume it’s 100,000 for argument sake. Let’s all hope these numbers stay true. High at risk population need to take appropriate steps to mediate.

 
UK reports 7 deaths as of yesterday.
This is over hundreds of thousands of omnicron cases. Am I missing something. Let’s assume it’s 100,000 for argument sake. Let’s all hope these numbers stay true. High at risk population need to take appropriate steps to mediate.


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That's literal fake news lol -- https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/..._Retirement_CDC_2019_Novel_Coronavirus_1.html

That's the full explanation of withdrawing one specific CDC-made PCR test:

Does the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel confuse influenza with SARS-CoV-2?

No.
The CDC 2019-nCoV Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel does not confuse influenza with SARS-CoV-2. It is a highly accurate test that detects the presence or absence of SARS-CoV-2 viral genetic material within a patient specimen.

Does the retirement of this test apply to all RT-PCR-based tests or all SARS-CoV-2 tests that have received Emergency Use Authorization from FDA?

No.
The discontinuation of Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) only applies to the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel test. It does not affect any other SARS-CoV-2 test that has received EUA from FDA.

Is CDC retiring the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel because it has produced inaccurate results?

No.
There are no performance concerns with this test. The CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel is a highly accurate test. It has been used to successfully detect SARS-CoV-2 since February 2020.

Since the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel continues to perform well, CDC will continue to make the design of the primers and probes used in the CDC 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel publicly available on the CDC website. Laboratories and test developers are free to use the design in their own research or diagnostic test.

CDC will also continue to extend Right of Reference to anyone who wishes to reference the data in CDC’s Emergency Use Authorization (EUA 200001) to support their own regulatory submission to FDA. The retirement of the test and the discontinuation of the associated EUA will have no impact on the availability of the design or Right of Reference. The CDC submission will remain on file at FDA.

Dont waste your breath, it's like speaking to a wall.
 
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