United we don’t stand

[SHallguy2]

The raid is quickly becoming a non story. AP and Reuters barely mention anything this AM. Now weeks will go by and people move on to the next great big story. Sucked in like fools, however the seeds were planted. Intimidation and humiliation check
Nuclear secret seed planted check
Non compliance seed planted check
Never can run again seed planted check
Russia collusion seed planted check
What happens next? Please reference below.
Stormy Daniels
Russia collusion
Warrant 1
Impeachment 1 and 2
January 6th
On and on we go, either the system doesn’t work or lots of people love being sucked into a good story and being treated like fools. Hello, there’s a pattern of nothing happening except division of our country. We are a ship of fools!

 

[Merge]

The raid is quickly becoming a non story. AP and Reuters barely mention anything this AM. Now weeks will go by and people move on to the next great big story. Sucked in like fools, however the seeds were planted. Intimidation and humiliation check
Nuclear secret seed planted check
Non compliance seed planted check
Never can run again seed planted check
Russia collusion seed planted check
What happens next? Please reference below.
Stormy Daniels
Russia collusion
Warrant 1
Impeachment 1 and 2
January 6th
On and on we go, either the system doesn’t work or lots of people love being sucked into a good story and being treated like fools. Hello, there’s a pattern of nothing happening except division of our country. We are a ship of fools!

What should they be reporting when there are no new facts to report?

Stop spinning this like it is just some media driven BS. Trump kept top secret documents at mar a lago, after a subpoena was issued in June to get them back

If he gave them back in June, there is no raid.
Trump created this story, not the media.

The fact that the DOJ was forced to get a warrant after Trump did not comply with a subpoena should not be something that divides us.

 

[SHallguy2]

What should they be reporting when there are no new facts to report?

Stop spinning this like it is just some media driven BS. Trump kept top secret documents at mar a lago, after a subpoena was issued in June to get them back

If he gave them back in June, there is no raid.
Trump created this story, not the media.

The fact that the DOJ was forced to get a warrant after Trump did not comply with a subpoena should not be something that divides us.

How do you explain nothing happening? We’ve been down this road a dozen times. All the BS and then nothing but investigation after investigation. You don’t recognize a pattern? By the way nothing happened to Hillary either. People get mad, time passes but the common thread. Nothing happens. It’s a big game of power play. Less powerful will pay some of the price. You can believe and hate all you want but somewhere along the line notice nothing happens.

 

[Pirata]

The fact that the DOJ was forced to get a warrant after Trump did not comply with a subpoena should not be something that divides us.

Has anyone seen or read the subpoena? Yes. "unnamed sources" "can't comment publicly"

How do you conclude that he did not comply with something that you have not read or seen.

"Oh please" won't cut it.

FTR, I am not claiming he did or did not comply. We won't know until we get to read the subpoena.

 

[Merge]

How do you explain nothing happening? We’ve been down this road a dozen times. All the BS and then nothing but investigation after investigation. You don’t recognize a pattern? By the way nothing happened to Hillary either. People get mad, time passes but the common thread. Nothing happens. It’s a big game of power play. Less powerful will pay some of the price. You can believe and hate all you want but somewhere along the line notice nothing happens.

Nothing happens because there isn’t enough to warrant a charge. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t investigate.

Hillary was rightfully investigated. Not enough there to warrant a charge.
Trump is rightfully being investigated. May or may not be enough to warrant a charge.

 

[Merge]

Has anyone seen or read the subpoena? Yes. "unnamed sources" "can't comment publicly"

How do you conclude that he did not comply with something that you have not read or seen.

"Oh please" won't cut it.

FTR, I am not claiming he did or did not comply. We won't know until we get to read the subpoena.

I conclude he did not comply because they retrieved classified, secret and top secret documents in August after a judge signed off on a warrant with obstruction of justice charges.

Had he complied, those documents would not have been there.

Really not that complicated.

 

[knowknow456]

Still nothing intelligent to say. So sad.

• Former President Trump probably shouldn’t have taken classified documents with him to Mar-a-Lago. I would say the same for prior Presidents as well. I find the concept of any President culling and loading a box of stuff kind of funny. This is the work of minions, not Presidents.
• The government entities charged with keeping tabs on our confidential stuff have a right to ask for it back. Kudos to them for doing their job.
• Former President Trump appears to have at least partially complied with the original request to return the stuff. Why he didn’t (or wouldn’t) return everything is not known but since the former President has a way of muddying the waters of everything he touches, it is hard for me to give him the full benefit of the doubt
• The subpoena appears to have been properly obtained and executed. The drama over “banana republics” or “deep state” is just that – drama.
• Regarding the subpoena itself, I have little concern of who released the information first. As Ben Franklin said, “Three can keep a secret if two are dead”.

 

[Pirata]

• Former President Trump probably shouldn’t have taken classified documents with him to Mar-a-Lago. I would say the same for prior Presidents as well. I find the concept of any President culling and loading a box of stuff kind of funny. This is the work of minions, not Presidents.
• The government entities charged with keeping tabs on our confidential stuff have a right to ask for it back. Kudos to them for doing their job.
• Former President Trump appears to have at least partially complied with the original request to return the stuff. Why he didn’t (or wouldn’t) return everything is not known but since the former President has a way of muddying the waters of everything he touches, it is hard for me to give him the full benefit of the doubt
• The subpoena appears to have been properly obtained and executed. The drama over “banana republics” or “deep state” is just that – drama.
• Regarding the subpoena itself, I have little concern of who released the information first. As Ben Franklin said, “Three can keep a secret if two are dead”.

Nice to have you back in intelligent discussion.

A couple of comments in reply:

We don't know that Trump himself took the documents. If you have ever read about the packing up of one president and the unpacking of the incoming president, there are scenarios wherein the White House movers (the minions you speak of) packed up the boxes and moved them. To what extent Trump himself was directly involved in that, we do not know.

I agree with your statement that it appears he "at least partially complied", but again, we don't know the precise degree of compliance because we have not seen the Subpoena.

I think you have the Subpoena and the Search Warrant confused. We have not seen the Subpoena. The Subpoena was the original request to get the documents. The search Warrant authorized the raid. We have seen the Search Warrant and yes, that appears to have be properly obtained and executed.

I agree with your assessment of the banana republic claims and the drama. Until we know (if we ever get to know) what actual documents were recovered, everything is speculation.

So as not to have a excessive lengthy post, I will create a note with my opinions and speculations.

 

[Pirata]

My opinions.

Overall, this is adults playing high stakes games with each other.

I can see a scenario where Trump complied minimally as a form of taunting to the FBI. The FBI responded with "OK, you want to play games, we can do that" and they (legally) ordered the raid.

I can see a scenario where Trump wanted the raid because of the "martyr" factor.

I think there is potential for blow back to Garland if the documents recovered end up to be nothing.

I can also see a scenario where the documents are substantial and allow charging with one of the crimes that would prevent Trump from running. In this scenario they will accuse Garland of being political but he can ignore that as long as the documents are worthy of that degree of actions. If it's "picking your feet in Poughkeepsie" than Garland and the Dems will face some pretty strong election blowback.

 

[Merge]

I think there is potential for blow back to Garland if the documents recovered end up to be nothing.

Haven't we exceeded that threshold already?
They retrieved "top secret" documents.

"Top Secret" shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.

They started retrieving documents in February. I can see your "taunting" theory as plausible between then and June when the DOJ had to get a subpoena to retrieve the files. Still keeping top secret files after that is why this is a problem.

 

[Pirata]

I held a Top Secret clearance when I was in. I am familiar with what it means.

They retrieved boxes and documents that were marked top secret. We don't know that the markings are still valid and if in fact the documents are still truly top secret. If they were declassified, the should have a declassified stamp on them.

I find the whole matter strange. There were several accounts online wherein someone instructed that a lock be placed on a door to a room where documents were stored. Does that imply that he had classified documents and that it was ok for him to have them as long as he secured them properly. I don't know.

I agree with you that it doesn't seem to make sense for an ex president to have active Top Secret documents stored at a residence after leaving office. Then again, what do I know.

As I posted before, I am keeping the powder dry until we learn more about what was actually seized. I will say that it is disturbing that our politics have gotten to this point. Blame can be spread to both sides of the aisle. This is just another day in insane world of national politics.

My opinion is that national security was likely not threatened but DOJ will have their tracks covered to show that possibility existed and they acted accordingly.

 

[SHallguy2]

I held a Top Secret clearance when I was in. I am familiar with what it means.

They retrieved boxes and documents that were marked top secret. We don't know that the markings are still valid and if in fact the documents are still truly top secret. If they were declassified, the should have a declassified stamp on them.

I find the whole matter strange. There were several accounts online wherein someone instructed that a lock be placed on a door to a room where documents were stored. Does that imply that he had classified document and that is was ok for him to have them as long as he secured them properly. I don't know.

I agree with you that it doesn't seem to make sense for an ex president to have active Top Secret documents stored at a residence after leaving office. Then again, what do I know.

As I posted before, I am keeping the powder dry until we learn more about what was actually seized. I will say that it is disturbing that our politics have gotten to this point. Blame can be spread to both sides of the aisle. This is just another day in insane world of national politics.

My opinion is that national security was likely not threatened but DOJ will have their tracks covered to show that possibility existed and they acted accordingly.

And in the end as always nothing will happen, except his house was raided and he will rally his base and potentially hurt RD’s chances of winning the nomination. It’s all a big game driving the news cycle instead of truly working to solve the country’s problems.

 

[SHUSA]

I held a Top Secret clearance when I was in. I am familiar with what it means.

They retrieved boxes and documents that were marked top secret. We don't know that the markings are still valid and if in fact the documents are still truly top secret. If they were declassified, the should have a declassified stamp on them.

I find the whole matter strange. There were several accounts online wherein someone instructed that a lock be placed on a door to a room where documents were stored. Does that imply that he had classified document and that is was ok for him to have them as long as he secured them properly. I don't know.

I agree with you that it doesn't seem to make sense for an ex president to have active Top Secret documents stored at a residence after leaving office. Then again, what do I know.

As I posted before, I am keeping the powder dry until we learn more about what was actually seized. I will say that it is disturbing that our politics have gotten to this point. Blame can be spread to both sides of the aisle. This is just another day in insane world of national politics.

My opinion is that national security was likely not threatened but DOJ will have their tracks covered to show that possibility existed and they acted accordingly.

the matter is strange because trump is a looney egomaniac that is a disgrace to the country. water is about an inch deep here and theres plenty of morons trying to dive in.

 

[HallBall02]

So many excuses and what about ism going on with Trump.

In my mind this would never happen unless there is concrete evidence of Trump breaking law. They even took his passport (s).

I thought push comes to shove, the republicans leadership were at some point say let’s stand back and at least let the process and evidence come out. Instead they are throwing fuel on the fire with outlandish theories and digging deeper with Trump in his mess instead of separating from him.

if Trump goes to jail, there will be a lot of civil unrest bc of what the repub leadership is doing, more violence of course bc they didn’t learn from Jan 6th.

For our young, unless your parent is a right wing nut, the repubs will lose millions of future voters if this goes down the way it’s looking, sad.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

So many excuses and what about ism going on with Trump.

Alan Dershowitz leading the way with whataboutism and calling it justified until we get more answers.

 

[HallBall02]

Alan Dershowitz leading the way with whataboutism and calling it justified until we get more answers.

Oh my goodness, I failed to think of what Alan Dershowitz thinks 🤣

I’m happy that this Fox News guy that represented Harvey Epstein, Jeff Epstein and OJ Simpson has an opportunity to sell more books, esp the one about how Trump should not have been impeached in 2020, to you dummies.

🤨

 

[SHUSA]

Oh my goodness, I failed to think of what Alan Dershowitz thinks 🤣

I’m happy that this Fox News guy that represented Harvey Epstein, Jeff Epstein and OJ Simpson has an opportunity to sell more books, esp the one about how Trump should not have been impeached in 2020, to you dummies.

🤨

a book? hell theyd shell out big money for a mold of his penis to stick up their bums

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Oh my goodness, I failed to think of what Alan Dershowitz thinks 🤣

I’m happy that this Fox News guy that represented Harvey Epstein, Jeff Epstein and OJ Simpson has an opportunity to sell more books, esp the one about how Trump should not have been impeached in 2020, to you dummies.

🤨

Thankfully I come here to read your posts. You’re smarter than he is and it’s free. We are all blessed.

 

[HallBall02]

A good rundown of what is going down. Did check after that fact that she is a regular at MSNBC though.

 

[HallBall02]

 

[cernjSHU]

This person, who has more credibility than anyone that regularly goes on fox news or msnbc, breaks it down well.

View embedded media

She is pretty much right on the money. Except for that a violation of the Espionage Act is not treason. Treason has been charged only a few times in the history of this country. She brings up The Rosenburgs. However, they were executed but not charged with treason but of sedition.

Treason is one of those terms that gets thrown out there with regularity without people having any real clue about the definition. Something like socialist. People throw that term around without having a clue of what it really means.

Now, this is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have heard in defense of Trump. This Is how bad it has got in this country. Rand Paul wants to repeal the espinioge Act. This is mind blowing. https://www.npr.org/2022/08/15/1117457622/rand-paul-what-is-espionage-act-repeal

 

[HallBall02]

Thankfully I come here to read your posts. You’re smarter than he is and it’s free. We are all blessed.

Appreciate the compliment, but I wasn't comparing myself to anyone in my post.

I was highlighting that this dude, that you brought up, has no credibility with his track record and how he is literarily profiting off of stupidity from the fox news audience.

Yeah my posts are free on this board because of my love of the Hall but I do get profits elsewhere. One of the books I co-wrote with Kari Lake, called "Biden's Laptop Case and lost Airpods, a reason for BDE", is now selling on the OAN network.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Appreciate the compliment, but I wasn't comparing myself to anyone in my post.

I was highlighting that this dude, that you brought up, has no credibility with his track record and how he is literarily profiting off of stupidity from the fox news audience.

Yeah my posts are free on this board because of my love of the Hall but I do get profits elsewhere. One of the books I co-wrote with Kari Lake, called "Biden's Laptop Case and lost Airpods, a reason for BDE", is now selling on the OAN network.

What’s funnier talking track record or profiting off stupidity of an audience? If those going after Trump actually had a decent track record, he would’ve been taken down by now and we would all have moved on from the guy. Sadly the track record of we got info to bring him down sucks because he’s still standing at the moment. But one thing I'll give you on that is I don't think they want to take down Trump. Trump is a political football like abortion and guns. If you solve the issue you can't use it to rally your base anymore. Could be more of politicans playing to a stupid audience like yourself. And every news anchor or regular guest on news shows these days is putting out a book to profit off the stupidity of the people watching. I don’t see how one guy doing it is any different than another.

 

[Section112]

It's sad where this country is right now. Tit for tat - Dems and Repubs are equally responsible for this mess. Started long before Trump and its just getting worse every day.

We have a multi trillion dollar bill that will be signed this week that most of our senators and congress haven't even read yet (but look over here at Trump's secret documents). The bill will further the war on the oil and gas industry that currently supplies 60-70% of our power and gas and raises taxes for folks making under $200k a year and small businesses and of course large corporations. No one is talking about those details.

We have an FBI that is saying we can't tell what the search warrant says but somehow they have confirmed that they took classified documents - if you are keeping quiet on one front then keep quiet on all fronts right? No class from the FBI and they are losing credibility at every turn - yet there are really good agents out there actually doing good work and they continue to let themselves be pulled down these political rabbit holes.

We have a former Repub President who won't go away and is holding the Repub party hostage even though he was a Dem his whole life and Trumpers stick up for him at every turn. The guy is a menace and is better than Biden but not by much. The bar is very low.

We have a sitting President who can't finish a coherent sentence and the country is being run by who knows who (Pelosi? Obama? Soros? Schumer?). And who has had shady dealings all over the world and his family has made millions as a result.

And a press that won't tell the truth if it does not fit with their political agenda on both sides.

Can you say complete shit show? This is where we are.

 

[HallBall02]

 

[Merge]

he bill will further the war on the oil and gas industry that currently supplies 60-70% of our power and gas

Not really.

The Inflation Reduction Act Is No Oil Killer

Democrats may be taking a victory lap, but let’s be straight, the climate provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) pose no real threat to the U.S. oil and gas industry. The industry has Sen. Manchin, whose state of West Virginia has long relied on fossil fuels, to thank for this.

www.forbes.com

and raises taxes for folks making under $200k a year

Citation?

We have an FBI that is saying we can't tell what the search warrant says but somehow they have confirmed that they took classified documents

The warrant was released.

if you are keeping quiet on one front then keep quiet on all fronts right? No class from the FBI and they are losing credibility at every turn

Had Trump not told everyone, you wouldn't know they were there and you're blaming the FBI?

 

[SHUSA]

block out the woke haters with the new Trump 2024 butt plug!

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

The Inflation Reduction Act Is No Oil Killer

Democrats may be taking a victory lap, but let’s be straight, the climate provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) pose no real threat to the U.S. oil and gas industry. The industry has Sen. Manchin, whose state of West Virginia has long relied on fossil fuels, to thank for this.

www.forbes.com

Inflation reduction? Why? There's no inflation going on or it's just transitory inflation. We don't need a bill for it.

Citation?

CBO is expecting middle class Americans to pay $20B more in taxes

 

[Merge]

Inflation reduction? Why? There's no inflation going on or it's just transitory inflation. We don't need a bill for it.

You're arguing against doing anything today because the transitory arguments were wrong a year ago?

We've moved on.

CBO is expecting middle class Americans to pay $20B more in taxes

There is a reason I asked for a citation.

What they actually said was that if the IRS is not allowed to use the appropriated funds to audit people making less than 400k, they will collect 20 billion less in taxes over 10 years.

Are you arguing that people making under 400k should be allowed to cheat on their taxes?

 

[Pirata]

CBO: New IRS Audits Will Grab at Least $20B from Lower- & Middle-Income Families - House Committee on Ways and Means

Key Point: At least $20 billion of the revenue Democrats hope to collect from taxpayers with a supercharged IRS would come from lower- and middle-income earners and small businesses, according to a new analysis by the nonpartisan congressional scorekeeper. That’s in addition to existing audits...

gop-waysandmeans.house.gov

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Are you arguing that people making under 400k should be allowed to cheat on their taxes?

Such a silly question. No one who must file a return should be allowed to cheat. Generally people making less than $400K are easy targets for the IRS. They can't fight back. They don't have the means to fight back. The CBO analysis confirms a report from the Joint Committee on Taxation that found these new IRS agents are going to be targeting small businesses. If only the average person could have laws built around them like for example #1 carried interest to save them millions in taxes legally. The rich don't cheat, they just have the laws built around them. What a joke. We have to put all these laws in to make up for all the money we lose on helping the rich keep their money. Example #2 Why does the owner of the team who wins the Juan Soto bidding war get a gigantic reduction in taxes. That 10 year $500 mil contract gets written off in 2.5 years? Why is that rich guy allowed to write off $200 mil in year 1? Just another example of tax laws built to screw the middle class and help the super wealthy. Again no one should cheat, but literally the laws are built around the rich. I can keep going, but they cheat us when they make the laws.

 

[Merge]

Such a silly question. No one who must file a return should be allowed to cheat.

Exactly!

The Crapo amendment was absurd. The IRS would be blocked from using new technology to go after tax cheats if they made under $400k. That's just a ridiculously stupid law.

The IRS should go after tax cheats, and if they develop new technology to do so, they should use it.

IRS estimated that we lose about $250 billion in revenue every year just because of people not reporting all of their income.
Less than 1% of that will be collected from filers who make less than $400k less and you're mad?

The IRS making investments to get better at detecting tax cheats really shouldn't be partisan.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Exactly!

The Crapo amendment was absurd. The IRS would be blocked from using new technology to go after tax cheats if they made under $400k. That's just a ridiculously stupid law.

The IRS should go after tax cheats, and if they develop new technology to do so, they should use it.

IRS estimated that we lose about $250 billion in revenue every year just because of people not reporting all of their income.
Less than 1% of that will be collected from filers who make less than $400k less and you're mad?

The IRS making investments to get better at detecting tax cheats really shouldn't be partisan.

So by not answering anything else I said, you must agree and be okay with the fact that the laws are built to cheat the middle class out of money while the rich have rules to keep their money. Anything you dispute you have no problem responding to. You care more about following the rule than the cheating and sleeze behind how and why the laws are written the way they are.

 

[Merge]

So by not answering anything else I said, you must agree and be okay with the fact that the laws are built to cheat the middle class out of money while the rich have rules to keep their money. Anything you dispute you have no problem responding to.

You have a tendency of veering conversations away to something unrelated, so I was trying to stay on topic.

I was replying to 112's post about the bill "raising taxes"
That isn't true. It doesn't.

People making under $400k should pay the amount they owe in taxes. People over $400k should pay the amount they owe in taxes. The IRS is trying to get better at collecting amounts owed. That's a good thing if don't cheat on your taxes.

Yes, I agree that many tax laws are written to help rich people pay less tax. Is that cheating the middle class out of money? I don't know about that one. I have a hard time believing your rates will go down if rich people pay more.

That said., there is a lot of good stuff in this bill for the middle class.
$7,500 EV rebate.
$8,000 heat pump rebate.
$4,000 electric panel upgrade for installation of a heat pump.

Available only to middle and lower income families. Take advantage of them.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Yes, I agree that many tax laws are written to help rich people pay less tax. Is that cheating the middle class out of money? I don't know about that one. I have a hard time believing your rates will go down if rich people pay more.

That said., there is a lot of good stuff in this bill for the middle class.
$7,500 EV rebate.
$8,000 heat pump rebate.
$4,000 electric panel upgrade for installation of a heat pump.

Available only to middle and lower income families. Take advantage of them.

Well lucky us. The rich are having steak and lobster and you’re excited about being thrown a snickers bar. All the laws written specifically to allow the rich to get away with not paying is saving people millions of dollars every year, but I get to take advantage of $20k in credits one time if I spend a spend probably $75k on specific items. I don’t get excited where I have spend a good chunk of money to get a smaller rebate than what I spent. The whole point is the rich are keeping their money to begin with using special laws. Even if it costs me $30k for the items you list, I’m still out 10k. I have no problem with the rich using the tax laws to their advantage but I think there’s a difference in taking advantage of laws and having the laws designed around saving rich people money.

 

[Merge]

Well lucky us. The rich are having steak and lobster and you’re excited about being thrown a snickers bar. All the laws written specifically to allow the rich to get away with not paying is saving people millions of dollars every year, but I get to take advantage of $20k in credits one time if I spend a spend probably $75k on specific items. I don’t get excited where I have spend a good chunk of money to get a smaller rebate than what I spent. The whole point is the rich are keeping their money to begin with using special laws. Even if it costs me $30k for the items you list, I’m still out 10k. I have no problem with the rich using the tax laws to their advantage but I think there’s a difference in taking advantage of laws and having the laws designed around saving rich people money.

Not sure you realize I just agreed with you that the laws are written to the benefit of the rich?

Bluntly though, the rich eating a lobster or a pile of dirt doesn’t impact my life at all. If they changed the laws tomorrow so they would all pay more, I’m still paying what I’m paying so it doesn’t really matter to me personally.

In any case. This bill doesn’t raise our taxes. It’s just not adding in a ridiculous amendment which would block the IRS from going after people who are trying to cheat.

 

[PiratePride]

What stands out to me is the awkward way that we legislate in this country. A $700 + K bill that has not even been fully vetted by the CBO and not read by probably the majority of those who voted on it. Inflation reduction bill??? what a red herring name. What does hiring 87K IRS agents have to do with reducing inflation?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Not sure you realize I just agreed with you that the laws are written to the benefit of the rich?

Bluntly though, the rich eating a lobster or a pile of dirt doesn’t impact my life at all. If they changed the laws tomorrow so they would all pay more, I’m still paying what I’m paying so it doesn’t really matter to me personally.

In any case. This bill doesn’t raise our taxes. It’s just not adding in a ridiculous amendment which would block the IRS from going after people who are trying to cheat.

I realized you agreed with me, but it's not always about how much money you make, it's how much money you keep. An incentive to give me 20K when I have to spend probably close to 75K to get it, just a tad bit absurd to me. The incentives for the average person are still a loss for them

 

[cernjSHU]

Well lucky us. The rich are having steak and lobster and you’re excited about being thrown a snickers bar. All the laws written specifically to allow the rich to get away with not paying is saving people millions of dollars every year,

Did you say this about the Trump tax cuts?

 

[shu09]

What stands out to me is the awkward way that we legislate in this country. A $700 + K bill that has not even been fully vetted by the CBO and not read by probably the majority of those who voted on it. Inflation reduction bill??? what a red herring name. What does hiring 87K IRS agents have to do with reducing inflation?

Whenever politicians name something, think the opposite. Just look at the past: the Patriot Act wasn't patriotic. The Affordable Care Act didn't make insurance affordable.