United we don’t stand

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Has anyone considered the IRS needs more people because they have a backlog of over 21 million returns, as well as returns with suspected errors or identity theft to get through?

Everything doesnt have to be a conspiracy.

 

[Merge]

I realized you agreed with me, but it's not always about how much money you make, it's how much money you keep. An incentive to give me 20K when I have to spend probably close to 75K to get it, just a tad bit absurd to me. The incentives for the average person are still a loss for them

It's not like rich people are getting free stuff.
They just take advantages of the incentives offered. I plan to do the same.

 

[Pirata]

One of the reasons for a 21 million backlog is the tax code is unduly complex.

My township return is one page.
My state return is two pages.
My federal return is 32 pages.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

One of the reasons for a 21 million backlog is the tax code is unduly complex.

My township return is one page.
My state return is two pages.
My federal return is 32 pages.

Agreed, but the fact remains is there is a massive backlog. Hiring more IRS would be a way to fix this.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Did you say this about the Trump tax cuts?

199A wasn’t just for the rich. That’s why I said I’m not against the rich playing the law to win but the laws specifically for the rich is something different. But you knew that.

 

[Merge]

Agreed, but the fact remains is there is a massive backlog. Hiring more IRS would be a way to fix this.

But they're coming for you with guns!

It's not the fault of the IRS that the tax code is complex. That is the fault of congress. We continue to make it more and more complex and the number of employees at the agency has been decreasing.

The thing that bothers me about the knee jerk reactions is that they ignore the possibility that the IRS actually might just need more resources.

 

[Merge]

199A wasn’t just for the rich. That’s why I said I’m not against the rich playing the law to win but the laws specifically for the rich is something different. But you knew that.

Like the private jet bonus depreciation in the TCJA?

 

[CL82]

Has anyone considered the IRS needs more people because they have a backlog of over 21 million returns, as well as returns with suspected errors or identity theft to get through?

Everything doesnt have to be a conspiracy.

That effectively doubles the number of IRS agents. Does that seem efficient to you? Have you seen the IRS job listing which indicates that “the willingness to use deadly force“ is a specific job requirement? I don’t think that language is even used for law-enforcement personnel. It’s just a bad idea and is attractive to the types of people you wouldn’t want in law-enforcement.

Being aware of those facts doesn’t make someone a conspiracy theorist. Being unaware of them just makes one uninformed.

 

[Merge]

Does that seem efficient to you?

They have a backlog of millions of returns.
At least 75% of calls to the IRS go unanswered...

Maybe they just don't have enough resources to meet current demand?
Maybe they will also need to replace the 50,000 employees who are eligible for retirement in the next 10 years as well?

Have you seen the IRS job listing which indicates that “the willingness to use deadly force“ is a specific job requirement? I don’t think that language is even used for law-enforcement personnel.

For any job that requires you carry a weapon, you have to display that you are willing to use deadly force if necessary. If you're not, you don't get the job. The IRS agents in their criminal division carry weapons. Maybe the IRS was trying to alert applicants what this role would require of them because normally an IRS agent would not be carrying a weapon?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Like the private jet bonus depreciation in the TCJA?

Unnecessary and another example of a system designed to help rich people keep their money.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

That effectively doubles the number of IRS agents. Does that seem efficient to you? Have you seen the IRS job listing which indicates that “the willingness to use deadly force“ is a specific job requirement? I don’t think that language is even used for law-enforcement personnel. It’s just a bad idea and is attractive to the types of people you wouldn’t want in law-enforcement.

Being aware of those facts doesn’t make someone a conspiracy theorist. Being unaware of them just makes one uninformed.

Haha you clearly fall for propaganda. I know a girl about 90 lbs soaking wet that was part of the tax division in NH who had to carry a gun in her job function. No, it wasnt to hunt middle class tax payers.

 

[CL82]

They have a backlog of millions of returns.
At least 75% of calls to the IRS go unanswered...

Maybe they just don't have enough resources to meet current demand?
Maybe they will also need to replace the 50,000 employees who are eligible for retirement in the next 10 years as well?



For any job that requires you carry a weapon, you have to display that you are willing to use deadly force if necessary. If you're not, you don't get the job. The IRS agents in their criminal division carry weapons. Maybe the IRS was trying to alert applicants what this role would require of them because normally an IRS agent would not be carrying a weapon?

This massive IRS backlog is a relatively new development. It wasn’t anywhere near as bad pre-Covid. So, yeah, you can throw 89,000 people at it, but in all likelihood it is an organizational rather than a manpower issue.

Regarding adding the phrase “willingness to use deadly force“ that typically isn’t done in law-enforcement positions for a specific reason. You don’t want to suck out people who are particularly focused on killing other people. It is a part of it the job in many lawn enforcement jobs, but it isn’t listed as a job requirement. Again, this deviation from standard practice is noteworthy.

 

[CL82]

Haha you clearly fall for propaganda. I know a girl about 90 lbs soaking wet that was part of the tax division in NH who had to carry a gun in her job function. No, it wasnt to hunt middle class tax payers.

LOL, this supposed 90 pound woman was part of the gun toting “tax division” of the IRS. Interesting.

I don’t think I’m particularly susceptible to propaganda, per se, or particularly susceptible to posters creating stories to meet their desired narrative.

 

[HALL85]

Agreed, but the fact remains is there is a massive backlog. Hiring more IRS would be a way to fix this.

Do we even know that is the reason for the backlog? Could it be because the government sent everybody home to work over the past two years and they couldn’t do their job productively?

 

[Merge]

This massive IRS backlog is a relatively new development. It wasn’t anywhere near as bad pre-Covid. So, yeah, you can throw 89,000 people at it, but in all likelihood it is an organizational rather than a manpower issue.

"In all likelihood"? No. You are making that up.
You have no idea what their issues are. No idea what the appropriate number of employees for the agency is etc...None of us here know.

Regarding adding the phrase “willingness to use deadly force“ that typically isn’t done in law-enforcement positions for a specific reason. You don’t want to suck out people who are particularly focused on killing other people.

Look up any training manual for police, fbi or whatever.
They always talk about when you may need to use deadly force.

Willingness to use deadly force is a part of the job - If you don't have a willingness to use deadly force when necessary you can't be a cop, an FBI agent etc...

What are you implying the intent is here? The IRS is creating a kill squad?

 

[ed odowd]

If you have a refund coming don’t hold your breath.If you owe money the dunning letters start quickly.I had an argument with them for months a few years ago and finally they admitted I was right.To their credit they sent me an apology letter which my accountant said was the first apology letter one of his clients had received in his many years of practice.

 

[Merge]

Do we even know that is the reason for the backlog? Could it be because the government sent everybody home to work over the past two years and they couldn’t do their job productively?

I'm sure that is at least a part of it, yes.

Regardless of your opinion on the validity of those steps, they still have to address the backlog.

 

[Merge]

If you have a refund coming don’t hold your breath.If you owe money the dunning letters start quickly.I had an argument with them for months a few years ago and finally they admitted I was right.To their credit they sent me an apology letter which my accountant said was the first apology letter one of his clients had received in his many years of practice.

Sounds like an agency that needs more resources so they can manage such cases more quickly.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

LOL, this supposed 90 pound woman was part of the gun toting “tax division” of the IRS. Interesting.

I don’t think I’m particularly susceptible to propaganda, per se, or particularly susceptible to posters creating stories to meet their desired narrative.

IRS special agent job ad misrepresented online

After Senate Democrats this month passed a $740 billion economic package, which includes nearly $80 billion for the IRS, social media users shared the false claim that all new employees in the agency will be required to carry guns.

apnews.com

You could just research why a small number of IRS agents would ever have a gun instead of spewing fake news from social media.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

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A tweet of accounting students? Have to LOL how you people fall for random Tweets.

Accounting Students Get Hands-On Lesson in IRS Criminal Investigations

The IRS Criminal Investigation Newark Field Office brought the Adrian Project to Stockton’s Campus Center for a day-long simulation of a mock criminal investigation.

stockton.edu

 

[HALL85]

I'm sure that is at least a part of it, yes.

Regardless of your opinion on the validity of those steps, they still have to address the backlog.

You're right. We don't know...it's my opinion, just like your assumptions were your opinion, but it would be nice to know the reason and justification for adding that many heads and what they are doing. I going to guess that Congressmen (who voted on this) have no idea whether the headcount is replacement, permanent, temporary, positions by job description, etc. IMO it's not about the IRS coming after people, but rather more wasteful government spending which we know happens a lot.

 

[sami]

That effectively doubles the number of IRS agents. Does that seem efficient to you? Have you seen the IRS job listing which indicates that “the willingness to use deadly force“ is a specific job requirement? I don’t think that language is even used for law-enforcement personnel. It’s just a bad idea and is attractive to the types of people you wouldn’t want in law-enforcement.

Being aware of those facts doesn’t make someone a conspiracy theorist. Being unaware of them just makes one uninformed.

Yes, there are IRS agents who carry guns and specifically investigate organized crime/money laundering and other such offenses. They are field officers. The IRS isn’t hiring 87,000 guns.

I have a friend who went from BlackRock to the IRS and yes, he carries a gun. He does not review 1040s.

 

[CL82]

"In all likelihood"? No. You are making that up.
You have no idea what their issues are. No idea what the appropriate number of employees for the agency is etc...None of us here know.




Look up any training manual for police, fbi or whatever.
They always talk about when you may need to use deadly force.

Willingness to use deadly force is a part of the job - If you don't have a willingness to use deadly force when necessary you can't be a cop, an FBI agent etc...

What are you implying the intent is here? The IRS is creating a kill squad?

Reread my post and note that I specifically stated my reasoning. The IRS backlog blossomed considerably during Covid. That is an indication of an organizational issue not a manpower issue. I will note that treasury secretary Yellen asked the IRS to develop an operational plan for deploying the 800 billion in new funding allocated to it. So the treasury secretary thinks there is an operational issue, but you don’t. Well, I’m sure you’re right.

In any event, the notion that they’re being given $800 billion, not because their operational plan says they need it, but they’re just being given it and then being asked to come up with a operational plan after the fact? Doesn’t that sound backwards to you? Same thing with the 87,000 new IRS agents. How was that number determined? We know there isn’t an operational plan in place based upon the treasury secretary‘s comments.

The use of deadly force isn’t put into job listings for FBI or police officers. Yet, this IRS Job listing lists it prominently. That’s a really odd thing to do.

 

[CL82]

Yes, there are IRS agents who carry guns and specifically investigate organized crime/money laundering and other such offenses. They are field officers. The IRS isn’t hiring 87,000 guns.

I have a friend who went from BlackRock to the IRS and yes, he carries a gun. He does not review 1040s.

Actually, if your friend is in the criminal investigation division, he probably does review 1040s. It’s not the only thing he does but a lot of CID‘s work involves individual taxpayers.

For what it’s worth I note that your post appears to recast what I said. I never said that there aren’t IRS agents who are authorized to carry a gun. I did say that the story of a “90 pound woman who carried a gun because she was in the “tax division“ of the IRS” sounded a little skeptical to me. For one thing pretty much everyone in the service is in the “tax division“. Taxes is kind of what they do.

(For what it’s worth, it isn’t unusual to have FBI agents accompany IRS agents in a seizure situation where they believe they may be physically opposed.)

 

[CL82]

IRS special agent job ad misrepresented online

After Senate Democrats this month passed a $740 billion economic package, which includes nearly $80 billion for the IRS, social media users shared the false claim that all new employees in the agency will be required to carry guns.

apnews.com

You could just research why a small number of IRS agents would ever have a gun instead of spewing fake news from social media.

See if you can post a link to the IRS’s “tax division”. I’ll wait. Lol

Oh, and by the way, you might want to read the article you posted. It doesn’t deny that that was listed in the ad. For what it’s worth, I actually went on the IRS site and looked at it myself, because I couldn’t believe that anyone would play at a job listing like that. It’s concerning. The best case spin on it is that it’s another example of the ineptitude of the administration. And, that’s the best case spin.

 

[CL82]

A tweet of accounting students? Have to LOL how you people fall for random Tweets.

Accounting Students Get Hands-On Lesson in IRS Criminal Investigations

The IRS Criminal Investigation Newark Field Office brought the Adrian Project to Stockton’s Campus Center for a day-long simulation of a mock criminal investigation.

stockton.edu

Gun toting accounting students.

Actually, I have never seen people with guns look less intimidating.

 

[Merge]

Reread my post and note that I specifically stated my reasoning. The IRS backlog blossomed considerably during Covid. That is an indication of an organizational issue not a manpower issue. I will note that treasury secretary Yellen asked the IRS to develop an operational plan for deploying the 800 billion in new funding allocated to it. So the treasury secretary thinks there is an operational issue, but you don’t. Well, I’m sure you’re right.

In any event, the notion that they’re being given $800 billion, not because their operational plan says they need it, but they’re just being given it and then being asked to come up with a operational plan after the fact? Doesn’t that sound backwards to you? Same thing with the 87,000 new IRS agents. How was that number determined? We know there isn’t an operational plan in place based upon the treasury secretary‘s comments.

The use of deadly force isn’t put into job listings for FBI or police officers. Yet, this IRS Job listing lists it prominently. That’s a really odd thing to do.

Maybe worth a read. They’ve been planning an overhaul for over a year

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Families-Plan-Tax-Compliance-Agenda.pdf

Is it odd to say deadly force in a job listing? Sure. Does that mean anything nefarious? No.

 

[Merge]

You're right. We don't know...it's my opinion, just like your assumptions were your opinion, but it would be nice to know the reason and justification for adding that many heads and what they are doing. I going to guess that Congressmen (who voted on this) have no idea whether the headcount is replacement, permanent, temporary, positions by job description, etc. IMO it's not about the IRS coming after people, but rather more wasteful government spending which we know happens a lot.

Right. That’s all I was saying. If you want to believe this is just more wasteful government spending, that’s fine.
I was just objecting to people (not you) coming here with the knee jerk - “this is dividing us” takes.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Gun toting accounting students.

Actually, I have never seen people with guns look less intimidating.

Read the article, it was no different than students getting a tour of EY for a day. They got to see a potential career path. You're such a hack.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

See if you can post a link to the IRS’s “tax division”. I’ll wait. Lol

Oh, and by the way, you might want to read the article you posted. It doesn’t deny that that was listed in the ad. For what it’s worth, I actually went on the IRS site and looked at it myself, because I couldn’t believe that anyone would play at a job listing like that. It’s concerning. The best case spin on it is that it’s another example of the ineptitude of the administration. And, that’s the best case spin.

Woah, I mispoke and wrote "tax division" while responding to another senseless post of yours, how will I ever get over it.

The fact you're buying into the propoganda that IRS agents are coming to shoot you is laughable.

 

[CL82]

Read the article, it was no different than students getting a tour of EY for a day. They got to see a potential career path. You're such a hack.

Well, I’m pretty sure that a tour of Ernst & Young doesn’t include putting on police/CID vests and staging a faux raid. That’s just a hunch on my part.

 

[CL82]

Woah, I mispoke and wrote "tax division" while responding to another senseless post of yours, how will I ever get over it.

The fact you're buying into the propoganda that IRS agents are coming to shoot you is laughable.

Is it is laughable as making up a pretend story about a gun toting 90 pound “IRS tax division“ member? Because it doesn’t feel like it is.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Is it is laughable as making up a pretend story about a gun toting 90 pound “IRS tax division“ member? Because it doesn’t feel like it is.

Made up? Hardly, but keep doing you.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Well, I’m pretty sure that a tour of Ernst & Young doesn’t include putting on police/CID vests and staging a faux raid. That’s just a hunch on my part.

No shit, same purpose though. If you read the article even the students thought so. It is hilarious how you fell for a fake tweet from a legitimate 5 year old story. 😆

 

[CL82]

Maybe worth a read. They’ve been planning an overhaul for over a year

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/The-American-Families-Plan-Tax-Compliance-Agenda.pdf

Is it odd to say deadly force in a job listing? Sure. Does that mean anything nefarious? No.

Yes, extremely odd. Does it necessarily mean anything nefarious? No, I guess it could just be gross incompetence, which incidentally isn’t a good look either, but one has to wonder why did someone choose to put that in the ad? It’s not like they just copied it from the last one. That’s an affirmative act.

Here’s the thing, it’s kind of important to maintain consistency. If this was Donald Trump‘s IRS hiring 89,000 new agents and then running an job listing talking about how at least some of the hirees need to have a willingness to use deadly force, would you feel differently about it? I can tell you I would view it as extraordinarily concerning regardless of the administration. I don’t necessarily need you to tell me one way or the other, but just think about it. It may help to give you some perspective on this.

 

[CL82]

Made up? Hardly, but keep doing you.

Well, we know the tax division thing was made up, right? Oh wait, no you said you just misspoke. So, which division of the IRS does your 90 pound gun toting friend actually work at? I mean you can even Google it and pick one. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

 

[CL82]

No shit, same purpose though. If you read the article even the students thought so. It is hilarious how you fell for a fake tweet from a legitimate 5 year old story. 😆

My only comment about it was to laugh and say they didn’t look particularly intimidating. I’ll stand by that.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

My only comment about it was to laugh and say they didn’t look particularly intimidating. I’ll stand by that.

Oh wow a bunch of accounting studenta from Stockton werent intimidating, gee, what a shock.

Still funny you thought those were real employees. 🤭

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Well, we know the tax division thing was made up, right? Oh wait, no you said you just misspoke. So, which division of the IRS does your 90 pound gun toting friend actually work at? I mean you can even Google it and pick one. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

You can believe it or not, you think I care? The fact is it exists but keep playing stupid.