I used to think that until what people from my own party are trying to do to this country and our own refusal to even debate!
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Now Pelosi is out telling Biden not to do any debates. Absolutely shameful. For a party that constantly accuses the other party and the president of undercutting US norms and traditions, this is quite hypocritical.
Thankfully Biden isn't going along with that for now, but I bet she didn't say that out of the blue. Probably the beginning of a pressure campaign on Biden to not debate.
I didn’t literally mean presidential debates but you raise an interesting point. I was referring more to cancel culture type stuff, Or how someone is a automatically a racist if they voted for trump or how that professor’s syllsbus said you can’t take a side against any liberal POV
Agreed. The US is at its best when people of good faith work together and debate together, regardless of whether they agree or not.
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I don't know how you could vote for someone who refuses to do the presidential debate, but I guarantee that will gain steam in the weeks ahead
Even Joe Biden can’t hide his way to the presidency. If this is true, it is a monumental dumb strategy. I still can’t believe he is choosing not to campaign in any of the battleground states. You know Donald Trump is going to be out there in any way that he can repeating the accomplishments of the first four years.
It’s early, but if Trump manages the response to this hurricane, it could give him the kill shot on Joe.
It’s early, but if Trump manages the response to this hurricane, it could give him the kill shot on Joe.
True, but to some degree I think the horse has been led to the water but chooses not to drink.
Cern is the last person on here that could be called ignorant on police procedure, just saying.
I didn’t say he was ignorant!!! He said movies and tv warp people’s thinking. I said that was a nice way to put it. I wouldn’t be so nice; I’d say people are ignorant.
Disagree. Much more needs to be done. The plight of inner city schools for instance continues to be terrible for the students attending them with too few exceptions. Get em young and you have a better chance of keeping them in the game and raising education levels.
That’s a long-term solution and no politician wants to own that one because you can’t blame the other side. We need to Stop getting sucked into these issues that some groups want to keep alive in order to continue to divide. Without them they have nothing.
Unfortunately, I agree with that.
It wasn't out of the blue. Hopefully it is not something anyone is seriously considering.
I agree. Can we add some others to that "I don't know how you could vote for someone who" list? There are like 985 for Trump.
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You can disagree with Trump but at least he has the balls to get on the stage. Is Biden scared of Trump? We're supposed to elect a guy who doesn't have the balls to face Trump?
I really think Biden will debate him and look better than people think. Trump is not that good at debating. He is good at belittling but if they are ready for it Biden will do OK IMO. Pelosi is just impossible and part of the two party problem.
I don't know how you could vote for someone who:
- Repealed NAFTA
- Exited TPP
- Exited the Paris Climate Accord
- Ended the Iran nuke deal.
- Brought manufacturing jobs back to the USA
- Achieved record employment for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Veterans, and Women
- Reduced illegal border crossings.
- Didn't start any wars.
- Dismantled ISIS
- Achieved energy independence
- Stock market at record levels
- Orchestrated a peace deal with Israel and UAE
- Recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel
- Supports law enforcement
- Lowered corporate and personal taxes
- Reduces and eliminates regulations
- Opens relations with North Korea
- Takes on China with trade issues
- Cleans up the VA
- Appoints a record number of federal judges
- Ended the ACA mandate
- Reduced drug prices
- Stopped unconditional foreign aid
- Forced NATO counties to pay their bills
Just a sample of the horrendous things he has done.
I can't wait to read the low road, small ball response.
There are arguments to be made around a lot of those, and obvious ignores many of his failures and abuse of his power.
But like I have said previously, Trump is only about Trump.
He will never put the country's interest ahead of his own. Where those two things align and something that will benefit him will also help the country, he will be successful.
Where he fails is when there is something that will help him but hurt the country. He will still do it... Or when something will help the country but hurt him, he won't.
Could you list specific issues/incidents where this has happened?
Sure. For example...
Asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden in exchange for foreign aid is an example of Trump doing something that will help him but hurt the country.
Not even a peep about the Russian bounties is something that hurts the country but is not in the interest of Trump because he is afraid of Putin.
Refusing to denounce the qanon conspiracy theory because their supporters love him.
Shared a video of a guy yelling white power while thanking the people there for their support.
I don't see how the Ukraine thing hurt the country. Distasteful on Trump's part, but not a huge deal in the grand scheme.
Has the Russian bounty story been proven true? I thought there was some talk that it was fake news. If so, looks bad but what is he supposed to do? Call up Vlad and yell at him? We're not exactly going to get into a war with Russia.
Refusing to denounce Q is a distraction. It has no impact on the country.
That video of the people in the Villages, FL was disgraceful on both sides. That's just Trump being Trump, but it doesn't hurt the country.
Yes. Trading foreign aid for personal favors hurts the country. Way beyond distasteful. That actually hurts our foreign relations.
On Putin... How about he sticks up for American soldiers even a little?
Qanon is not a distraction. It is a cult and one the FBI deems as a threat of domestic terrorism and will soon have a follower in congress. It's not a joke anymore. Trump should shut the craziness down, but he won't because they believe he is their savior.
You don't think the president of the united states promoting and amplifying racism hurts America?
On Putin... How about he sticks up for American soldiers even a little?
Qanon is not a distraction. It is a cult and one the FBI deems as a threat of domestic terrorism and will soon have a follower in congress. It's not a joke anymore. Trump should shut the craziness down, but he won't because they believe he is their savior.
You don't think the president of the united states promoting and amplifying racism hurts America?
Utterly absurd and baseless statement.
Exactly what self interest is he gaining?
His entire agenda and actions have advanced our interests.
To paraphrase Hall85. You have a bad case of TDS.
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Please describe how Trump holding aid to a foreign country for dirt on a political opponent advances US interests.
Your beloved leftist liberal media does more to amplify racism than anything.
That's not the burden of proof. Based on your initial post, the burden of proof is to tell us how it doesn't and has a negative impact.
How? He thanked people for their support. Why does it matter that some kook in the video was saying what he said? People are smart enough to tell the difference, although maybe I give you too much credit.
You have proof of that or are you just parroting your leftist liberal biased media conspiracy theories?
Keep shaking it. Maybe it will knock some sense loose and the synapses will pick it up.
Two different conversations going on.
When Pirata says "His entire agenda and actions have advance our interests." I would like to understand how that advances the country's interest.
But if you would like to understand how it hurts US interests, I wold recommend watching the testimony from Marie Yavanovich, Fiona Hill and Bill Taylor.
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