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That is a GREAT question. And this perp physically takes on the cop..charges him...pushes him backwards to the point of falling...and becoming very vulnerable...yet.....no shots.
Interesting...
Actually, I said "His entire agenda and actions have advanced our interests."
Regarding the hold up of aid, we will never agree on the why.
(I suspect) You will choose to believe he wanted dirt on Biden
I choose to believe he was putting a halt to dumping money into corrupt regimes. I believe that is in our interests.
I agree to disagree.
It doesn’t advance it. Nor does it hurt it.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant and democracy dies in darkness go both ways.
Got that right....there isn't a party for me....which...is a sad statement. Today, you have to either be far left or far right on all issues...or you have no representation.
That alone speaks to why we have such a divide in the country today
I'm not against questioning foreign policy. We should question how involved we are and what is really necessary and I would agree that we get more involved than we should in a lot of areas.
But, yes, having our foreign policy for sale to whoever can provide the president with what he wants is a problem.
Taylor's testimony was a joke. I heard it from a friend who heard it from friend who heard it from a friend... Someone should write a song about that. Oh wait, they already did.
Yavanovich was pissed off because she got fired.
Hill was pissed off because she was pushed aside and was not being listened to. After all, she is from Harvard. You just have to listen to people from Harvard.
And let's look a the big picture. This testimony was part of baseless political impeachment trial that went nowhere.
Next.
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Well at least you recognize it. The first step is admitting it. You will make more progress.
Well done.
No. Biden was pushing US policy at the time which was a part of an international effort to have Shokin removed.
Trump was acting against US policy to try to get dirt on a political opponent.
Yeah, no, that's ridiculous, Biden shook down the prosecutor looking into a company his son was on the Board of with no discernible puprose to be on that Board other than to get his father to shake down the prosecutor.
Withholding aid that was approved to try and get them to do something for him.
That is factually incorrect other than Biden's son not deserving the seat on the board.
Republicans were pushing for reforms in Ukraine right before Shokin was fired as well.
That was US policy at the time with international support.
https://www.portman.senate.gov/news...enate-ukraine-caucus-reaffirm-commitment-help
My dad explained everything I should do multiple times if and when I ever got pulled over by the police. Maybe every school in America needs to have a workshop run by local police explaining why it’s important to listen and obey commands given by the police. This is really important and the workshops should happen every year from first grade right through end of High School. This one solution might save many lives, maybe the NBA players could be there to back the police and offer their support. Actions speak louder than words.
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Excellent idea. We had the DARE program growing up. Getting police into schools annually for a program as you describe would help build rapport with the local community.
That is correct. Trump signed the bill to provide the aid to Ukraine.
Then held up the aid for his own personal political interest.
I doubt any of them would disagree with the fact pattern. They just don't believe it rises to the level of an impeachable offense, which is a shame and sets a pretty bad precedent for something the founders were explicitly concerned about.
Just as long we all agree that it's your theory that they wouldn't disagree, unless of course you have some special insight into the minds of all the senators.
Regarding the founders I think they envisioned a leader like Trump to minimize government, reduce taxes, build a strong military, and defend our borders.
Four more years of safety and prosperity and watching liberals tear their hair out.
Regarding the founders I think they envisioned a leader like Trump to minimize government, reduce taxes, build a strong military, and defend our borders.
Four more years of safety and prosperity and watching liberals tear their hair out.
Fellow Pirates,
I wanted to address a few things that have been said in this forum. I understand we all have different opinions on this issue, but this goes far beyond politics. This is human rights issues. I'm not going to argue that Jacob Blake is a totally innocent man, but the way he as well as his children were treated was disgusting. Seven shots in the back in front of his children was excessive and that officer went entirely too far.
People of color are hurting right now. They are struggling with how to talk to their children about how to survive encounters with the police. I am curious how many of your parents told you if you don't comply you are going to die at the hands of the police. I don't believe that just because someone resists arrest it is justified if they die. As an officer you are responsible for keeping yourself as well as that person safe. If you can't handle interacting with difficult people and keeping them safe you are in the wrong profession.
To answer many poster's questions there have been multiple people of color who followed officer's commands or were simply in their own homes who were injured or murdered by the police. For example
Charles Kinsley() Mental health nurse who is trying to bring his autistic patient back into the hospital. He has his hands up the entire time, yells repeatedly he's a nurse and neither one is armed. Police offer not only fires a shot at the patient, but misses and hits the nurse. Officer serves no jail time
Philando Castile(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40357355) Gets pulled over for a taillight. As a courtesy to the officer and so he can keep his girlfriend and daughter safe, informs the officer he has a licensed handgun in the car. The officer panics while he is reaching for his ID that the officer asks him for and kills him. No jail time.
Antonio Smith(https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/us/valdosta-wrongly-arrested-black-man-antonio-smith/index.html) Falsely accused of a crime, while talking and complying with officer's commands is slammed to the ground and has his wrist broken. They later realize they got the wrong guy.
Botham Jean-Officer breaks into his house while he is eating ice cream and kills him thinking she was in his own apartment
Tamir Rice-12 years old playing with a toy gun in the park. Officers arrive, barely give him a chance to register what they are saying and kills him while their car is still slowing down to a stop. Officer is cleared of charges
John Crawford III-Goes to buy a BB gun in Walmart. While walking in the store talking on his cell phone, killed immediately by police. Officer is cleared of charges
Breonna Taylor-Police break into her house serving a warrant to the wrong person, do not announce themselves, her boyfriend fires in self defense and the police murder her in her own bed. They still have not been arrested.
I could go on and on. These people didn't have to die. These young people committed no crime yet they are dead and with the exception of one case, their assailants are relaxing at home. Imagine if these people were you family members. Imagine if this was one of the Seton Hall players. How would you feel then? The message that society is sending is that their lives do not matter. Those officers barely got a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile we have some posters saying if you just follow the rules and don't resist you will be fine. That is not the case.
Furthermore, I think everyone here agrees that the murder of Cannon Hinnant was tragic and his murderer deserves to be punished. No one is debating that. However please stop using his death as a way to argue against the black lives matter movement. Everyone keeps calling for protests, but what exactly do you want the NBA players or the world to protest about? His killer was quickly caught and charged for the heinous crime. HIS LIFE MATTERED. Can you the say the same for the others above.
On another note how do you explain to your children how a white couple can brandish their guns(who later were charged with felony crimes) at protesters and are rewarded by being invited to speak at the Republican convention(https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/st-louis-couple-guns-protesters-charges). You have the nerve to call George Floyd a criminal, what do you call them. Do you think a black family could do that and make it out alive? How do you explain how Trayvon Martin can be justifiably be killed walking home with a bag of skittles meanwhile a 17 year old white teen can shoot multiple people and walk by the police with an automatic weapon with people yelling that he's a murderer. They let him walk right on by and the sheriff had the nerve to blame the citizens for their own death for being outside past curfew That's shameful. How about blame the guy with gun?(https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ing-appear-court-extradition-hearing-n1238502)
My point is that your fellow American citizens are hurting and we all need to be better because again this is an issue that no matter what your political affiliation you should have a problem with.
To answer the original quote. I agree with inviting the police into the school. Have the students, particularly the students of color explain why they are terrified of them and how they can fix the community's perception of them.
There's a reason all those cops were acquitted. We have an actual justice system, not the kangaroo, guilty until proven innocent, court of media and public opinion.
The folks in Missouri were absolutely justified in brandishing their weapons. They have a right to bear arms and were on their own property, feeling threatened by a mob. I hope they are acquitted.
The folks in Missouri were absolutely justified in brandishing their weapons. They have a right to bear arms and were on their own property, feeling threatened by a mob. I hope they are acquitted.
Being in front of his kids has nothing to do with this other than bleeding heart bullcrap. Why was he resisting arrest and acting like a jackass in front of kids? If the cops thought they were in jeopardy, it doesn't matter that the kids were present.
Where is your list of black people killing cops?
Breonna Taylor had nothing to do with racism, it had everything to do with misguided and ill-conceived no-knock raids (cern is going to come after me again!!). She was a known drug trafficker's assistant with much greater ties to him than have been reported. She wasn't murdered nor was she shot while in bed.
https://news.yahoo.com/death-breonna-taylor-report-details-233726563.html
Many also have a problem with a bullshit narrative being forced down our throats too. George Floyd's death is the only one of these recent incidents that was totally undeserved because of police racial or other bias. When did the "hands up, don't shoot" narrative morph into "resist arrest, lunge for someting in your car, still shouldn't be shot, we refuse to play" narrative? It's disgraceful, divisive, and harms attempts at legitimate police reform.
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Every one of them? No... but some of them who voted to acquit, yes.
Alexander, Rubio, Portman and Collins for example all said what he did was wrong but not impeachable, add in Romney and that’s already a majority who did believe what Trump did was wrong.
As I said before, I'm not going to tell you that Jacob Blake is totally innocent and he could have handled the situation better, but more investigation needs to be done. However he didn't need 7 shots total in the back.
How about instead of making a list of black people who have killed cops, why don't I make a list of black people who were cleared from all charges after murdering a cop. It is not many just like if I made a list of white, asian or hispanic people who have got off after killing a cop.
Breonna Taylor has everything to do with racism. Why have charges not been brought against the officers. She wasn't their target, she didn't have a warrant for her arrest, they are the reason she is dead. Had they been more organized, she would be alive. That is the bottom line. They made a tragic mistake and there should be consequences.
I am by no means supporting resisting arrest but officers face difficult people all the time and the training has to be better to avoid deathly force at all costs. If you actually look at the cases that I highlighted, none of them resisted arrest and either died or were injured. How can you justify that? It is a two way street. We all both police and civilians need to do better with improving communication with one another. We all have the same goal which is to return home safe to our families.
Uhh, that's because most people who kill cops are guilty without a doubt.
So according to you all of the stories that I shared, all of those people deserved to die despite not committing a crime?
What if Tamir Rice was your 12 year old son or your nephew. Would you be ok if police killed him by accident because he was playing with a toy they thought was a weapon and they are not going to be getting any jail time. What you be ok with your aunt/uncle trying to take care of a mentally ill person and shot by police and the charges are dropped. Is that something you would be ok with?
Somebody on here who knows FAR, FAR more than anyone else on this board about police procedure already explained about cops and unloading their weapon when threatened. What would like cops to do, shoot once and then stop and ask if yiou need another?
What?? The police no-knocked entered into her apartment, her then boyfriend didn't know what was happening in the dark, brought out his weapon which anyone with a weapon in that situation would have done, the cops saw the weapon and had to fire for their own protection. Breonna was an innocent victim of the circumstances caused by the no-knock raid, not any racism. Similar has and will continue to happen to whites as well as blacks due these silly policies. Maybe if she wasn't a known and consistent assistant to drug trafficker, she'd be alive. Still an innocent victim who continually made bad choices. But it's racism's fault? No, false and divisive narrative.
It is, criminals included. Don't make bad choices that escalate situations. Should cooperate but they've been fed this false narrative that the cops are out to kill them. Statistics show that just isn't so but the useless idiots continue to spew their divisive, hateful, rhetoric (Doprah, Lebron James, pro athletes in general, the media, et al.)
SPK whats your source on aiding drug pushing?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/us/breonna-taylor-jamarcus-glover-arrest/index.html
I posted it above, you missed it????
I'll post it again to make it easy for you:
https://news.yahoo.com/death-breonna-taylor-report-details-233726563.html
My dad as crazy as it sounds did tell me that not listening to a police officer could cost me my life. I remember the conversation and the look on his face. I also remember being beat up daily on my way home from school by a group of older black neighborhood kids. I was 12 years old, both my parents worked more than one job. I remember my dad telling me he could not be there everyday when I walked home from school, so he taught a young 12 year old Italian kid to protect himself. He setup a punching bag in the basement and in between jobs taught me how to protect myself. He taught me not to be afraid and instead of coming home bleeding everyday to throw the first punch. I fought for everything I have so it’s hard for me to have this conversation with folks who actually grew up in all white neighborhoods carrying guilt for getting everything handed to them. Instead of talking we need to connect the police back to the community and have workshops so all people understand that what they do Is dangerous. Before anyone is allowed to comment on police brutality they should take a 2 hour tour of the Newark jail, sit and have lunch and a cool drink with the inmates to get a better understanding of the problem.
This problem has more to do with education than it does with police. When people wake up and understand we are failing in education, our country will be a better place. School choice And police workshops are solutions instead of doing nothing but talking.
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Great post and I would argue that there are lots of communities that think this way. Education seems to be discounted in many towns and cities. And unfortunately the loudest voices would rather keep this “issue” alive for their personal gain rather then work to improve things as you are suggesting.
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