Wuhan Lab Source Of Virus ?

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Kennedy asks Fauci whether Wuhan lab lied: "You never know"

Watch Kennedy question NIAID Director Fauci here. WASHINGTON – Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) today questioned National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci about whether U.S. grant money could have funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. Key exchanges from the...

www.kennedy.senate.gov

As I noted above... the logic there is absurd.

We funded a specific program and they did the work.
China does not need US money to do gain of function research. They have plenty of resources and ability to do it on their own.

What Fauxi was saying was that we funded a program specifically about researching viruses from bats. They paid for the research that was done and received the reports... there was no gain of function research in the work that was done for us.

Would be like you hiring a landscaper and then me asking you to prove they didn’t mow someone else’s lawn as well after they mowed your lawn. They are free to do what they want.

 

[HallBall02]

Yes China does know it.

They are also the ones probably pumping in antiVax, anti-mask, pro racial divide messages to our simpleton US citizens, and those folks are taking the bate hook and sinker 🎣.

Next time a national/global emergency happens, I hope more folks are on team USA instead of being manipulated by their narrow and bias sources of news.

The scariest thing is China now knows it can cripple the United States based on a mild/moderate virus that doesn't really kill many people. Imagine what will happen the next time when they release something worse. Covid was simply a test run.

 

[HallBall02]

Really nothing to see here in interview posted. Actually Fauci was good in it.

Kennedy looks like an idiot though.

I don’t agree with what some of Fauci says sometimes, as I explain little below. I also do agree he likes the spot light too much but that’s ok, you need to like it to be good at it.

I also agree he was wrong a few times looking back. At the time though, he was mostly right. For the most part he used the best info available and made the best statement he could at the time. New info comes, you have trustworthy enough to pivot to the right path. Noval virus, first pandemic in 100 years...learning on the fly. Just like President W Bush was right at the time going to war with Iraq. Looking back he as very very wrong but with the info he had at the time he probably made the right decision. Things evolve.

The worst move by Fauci IMHO was to say masks aren’t that important early on (when deep down he just wanted to save it for medical workers, he confessed this later on). He made that statement for a short term gain (not as much hoarding of medical and N95 masks by general public when supply was low) however there was a long term loss of idiots months later quoting Fauci that masks aren’t necessary losing his credibility a little and/or which is big, casting major doubts of mask use even to this day.

Also during the BLM riots he didn’t say anything about huge groups of folks protesting/rioting at the peak of the pandemic making all his other statements regarding the steps of virus mitigation less impactful (6 ft apart, masks, stay home etc). If he was consistent to all groups and not political in that situation, it would have been better.

He certainly isn’t perfect but I think he has done a good job overall.

As I noted above... the logic there is absurd.

We funded a specific program and they did the work.
China does not need US money to do gain of function research. They have plenty of resources and ability to do it on their own.

What Fauxi was saying was that we funded a program specifically about researching viruses from bats. They paid for the research that was done and received the reports... there was no gain of function research in the work that was done for us.

Would be like you hiring a landscaper and then me asking you to prove they didn’t mow someone else’s lawn as well after they mowed your lawn. They are free to do what they want.

 

[HALL85]

The whole story about downplaying masks early on to preserve them for medical workers is horse shit. At the time the public couldn’t access them because virtually the entire supply of N95’s resided in the healthcare supply chain with the public can’t purchase.

 

[SHUSA]

Two words: Biological Warfare.

Of course, to say that will be countered as being a right wing conspiracy theory.

So be it. To think China was researching this for the sake of modern medicine puts one in the Neville Chamberlain camp. I'll stick with Churchill, and not just for the scotch and cigars.

china hires americans for this research. this has long beem known

 

[shu09]

New info comes, you have trustworthy enough to pivot to the right path. Noval virus, first pandemic in 100 years...learning on the fly. Just like President W Bush was right at the time going to war with Iraq.

Hahahaha. Bush was right at the time? LOL. I can't stop laughing that's such a bad take. So many people knew it was wrong at the time and said as much.

By the way, there were four pandemics since the Spanish Flu: Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, HIV/AIDS and Swine Flu. This isn't the first in 100 years.

 

[SHUSA]

As I noted above... the logic there is absurd.

We funded a specific program and they did the work.
China does not need US money to do gain of function research. They have plenty of resources and ability to do it on their own.

What Fauxi was saying was that we funded a program specifically about researching viruses from bats. They paid for the research that was done and received the reports... there was no gain of function research in the work that was done for us.

Would be like you hiring a landscaper and then me asking you to prove they didn’t mow someone else’s lawn as well after they mowed your lawn. They are free to do what they want.

they need the talent. harvard professor lying about doing work in wuhan just before the pandemic? yerp.

Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases

The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.

www.justice.gov

btw this is bigger than one occasion. its a big f'ng deal that seems like a conspiracy but its very real

 

[HallBall02]

Hahahaha. Bush was right at the time? LOL. I can't stop laughing that's such a bad take. So many people knew it was wrong at the time and said as much.

By the way, there were four pandemics since the Spanish Flu: Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, HIV/AIDS and Swine Flu. This isn't the first in 100 years.

I said first global pandemic we dealt with in 100 years not first virus. Here is a link for you.TMYK

What's the Difference Between an Epidemic and a Pandemic? - MPH Online

In the face of what is shaping out to be one of the most dangerous health events of this age – the coronavirus/Covid-19 pandemic – many people are searching for answers. In particular, a lot of people are wondering about the differences in terms such as epidemic vs pandemic, as well as the...

www.mphonline.org

Maybe I used a bad example derailing the core convo but it’s true.

I was surprised when I learned about Bush too, wasn’t a huge fan at time. Go to the Bush museum in Texas. There is an exhibit that shows all the info the president had at the time and it asks you to make a decision. He was guilty of trusting the wrong people and not having the right ppl in his inner circle but from the intel about WMDs he received most would make the same decision. The decision was super wrong at the end of the day bc the intel was flawed and inner circle folks pushing the war based on it was wrong. Also wrong was not having an exit plan and not leaving as soon as they find out intel was wrong.

Eitherway, the point is just bc something is right today with the best possible information gathered, it may not be right a few weeks or a few months from now. Can’t fault Fauci for evolving with the data.

 

[SHUSA]

I said first global pandemic we dealt with in 100 years not first virus. Here is a link for you.TMYK

What's the Difference Between an Epidemic and a Pandemic? - MPH Online

In the face of what is shaping out to be one of the most dangerous health events of this age – the coronavirus/Covid-19 pandemic – many people are searching for answers. In particular, a lot of people are wondering about the differences in terms such as epidemic vs pandemic, as well as the...

www.mphonline.org

Maybe I used a bad example derailing the core convo but it’s true.

I was surprised when I learned about Bush too, wasn’t a huge fan at time. Go to the Bush museum in Texas. There is an exhibit that shows all the info the president had at the time and it asks you to make a decision. He was guilty of trusting the wrong people and not having the right ppl in his inner circle but from the intel about WMDs he received most would make the same decision. The decision was super wrong at the end of the day bc the intel was flawed and inner circle folks pushing the war based on it was wrong. Also wrong was not having an exit plan and not leaving as soon as they find out intel was wrong.

Eitherway, the point is just bc something is right today with the best possible information gathered, it may not be right a few weeks or a few months from now. Can’t fault Fauci for evolving with the data.

you can fault him because he went against common sense (because he bad an ulterior motive). had nothing to do with data

in the beginning he said DO NOT wear masks. like how on earth would masks hurt? that was easy BS at the time for those with a brain. and even for those without a brain.

now hes saying wear two.

 

[HallBall02]

you can fault him because he went against common sense (because he bad an ulterior motive). had nothing to do with data

in the beginning he said masks dont help. like how on earth would masks hurt? that was easy BS at the time for those with a brain. and even for those without a brain.

now hes saying wear two.

The mask pivot was influenced by two reasons.

The main reason (IMHO) was to save as much masks for medical workers as possible at the time.

The second reason is simply data evolved.

First the COVID-19 transmission data (from touch to close contact, to water particles when you talk/cough, to being mostly do to airborne transmission and nothing to do with touching things at all)..

Second the data on different masks and level of protection. I’ve read so many studies showing a hierarchy of protection cloth - medical- n95 etc. it’s real, they work, data shows 2 fitted medical masks equivalent to wearing a N95 masks,

Sidebar here. The thing about cloth and loose fitting medical masks is that they work somewhat to the user but it protects other people much more than it protects the person wearing it. The current CDC director forgot that info on her latest recommendations for under 12s and other unvaccinated folks 😩.

 

[HALL85]

The mask pivot was influenced by two reasons.

The main reason (IMHO) was to save as much masks for medical workers as possible at the time.

As I said earlier, this was BS because the public had no access to those masks. They were controlled by the healthcare distribution network.

 

[Pirata]

Using the term Conspiracy Theory is another leftist technique when they don't agree with you. It was coined by Hillary and has evolved from there. Right up there with Assault Rifle.

Suggesting that China is engaged in Bio Warfare Weapons development is not a conspiracy theory. It is a theory, but don't try to dismiss it with leftist labeling.

Chemical and Biological warfare are real. Developing a virus for nefarious use is well within China's wheelhouse.

 

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As I said earlier, this was BS because the public had no access to those masks. They were controlled by the healthcare distribution network.

The point was that if the said those masks were what we all needed to wear to prevent the spread, then the government would have been pressed to make those masks available to the public. We would not have been able to accomplish that. It wasn’t about a run on masks.

Once we had data that asymptomatic transmission was significant and cloth masks helped reduce the risks of spreading it to others... Fauci changes his position.

also, that interview when he said we don’t need to wear masks was when there were about 500 known cases in the entire country and less than a handful of deaths.

 

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Using the term Conspiracy Theory is another leftist technique when they don't agree with you. It was coined by Hillary and has evolved from there.

lol. What?

None of that is correct.. and no one is dismissing anything. A conspiracy theory just means that there was intent behind what happened. That people were “conspiring” to do something and it being a theory just means we don’t have enough evidence to prove it.

Brushing you off as a conspiracy theorist would be implying that you are ignoring the available facts to believe there is a larger unproven conspiracy. No one here is brushing off the theory.
Though one poster here likes to brush off others as being a conspiracy theorist. Didn’t realize your boy was such a leftist Hillary lover.

 

[HALL85]

The point was that if the said those masks were what we all needed to wear to prevent the spread, then the government would have been pressed to make those masks available to the public. We would not have been able to accomplish that. It wasn’t about a run on masks.

Once we had data that asymptomatic transmission was significant and cloth masks helped reduce the risks of spreading it to others... Fauci changes his position.

also, that interview when he said we don’t need to wear masks was when there were about 500 known cases in the entire country and less than a handful of deaths.

Do you actually believe what you just wrote? On the one hand, you say the government was concerned because they needed to conserve the N 95 masks for healthcare workers. And as you claim they didn’t want to be pressed to make them available to the public? What are you basing that on? But you’re also saying they didn’t have a data at the time to make any recommendations on wearing masks overall. Which one is it?

How hard would it have been to recommend the use of any face coverings/masks and distancing at the time as a precautionary measure until you had more data? He's supposed to be the resident expert on viruses. Why not err on the side of caution and reduce the potential of airborne droplets and being too close together? Even though China was not forthcoming on information it was pretty darn obvious of what we could see there, that we should have taken measures early on. Think of how many tens of thousands of lives that would have been saved, if he provided that guidance from the very start.

As I said earlier, it was a BS excuse. There was never any threat to the N95 masks in the system being accessed by the public.

 

[Pirata]

your boy

You seem obsessed with boys.

Hey if that's your thing just let us know. I guess the plus in LGBTQ+ would include P. We can have a coming out party for you and make t-shirts

 

[Pirata]

None of that is correct.. and no one is dismissing anything. A conspiracy theory just means that there was intent behind what happened. That people were “conspiring” to do something and it being a theory just means we don’t have enough evidence to prove it.

Boy-man,

You are missing the point big time.

The recent use of the term conspiracy theory has been to imply a given theory is ridiculous and based in paranoia or far-fetched creative fantasy.

Like I said, it was started by Hillary when she said "vast right-wing conspiracy".

China engaging in developing biological warfare weapons does not constitute a conspiracy. It's part of their military program, where does that being defensive or offensive program.

 

[SHUSA]

You seem obsessed with boys.

Hey if that's your thing just let us know. I guess the plus in LGBTQ+ would include P. We can have a coming out party for you and make t-shirts

if you wanna get your point across dont come off as such a nutbag

 

[cernjSHU]

The whole story about downplaying masks early on to preserve them for medical workers is horse shit. At the time the public couldn’t access them because virtually the entire supply of N95’s resided in the healthcare supply chain with the public can’t purchase.

This is not true. I know doctors and nurses at two of the biggest hospitals in New Jersey. The hospitals did not have the proper PPEs or enough them. One doctor actually went on the black market to buy some n95 masks. I do agree that was Fauci's biggest mistake in not telling the truth there.

 

[HALL85]

This is not true. I know doctors and nurses at two of the biggest hospitals in New Jersey. The hospitals did not have the proper PPEs or enough them. One doctor actually went on the black market to buy some n95 masks. I do agree that was Fauci's biggest mistake in not telling the truth there.

That's not what I said. There was a false narrative that somehow the public could access the N95's that were meant for hospitals. They couldn't.

Separately though, hospital usage on those masks increased dramatically for obvious reasons, creating immediate shortages (along with other PPE).

 

[cernjSHU]

That's not what I said. There was a false narrative that somehow the public could access the N95's that were meant for hospitals. They couldn't.

Separately though, hospital usage on those masks increased dramatically for obvious reasons, creating immediate shortages (along with other PPE).

That's because usage with PPE's prior to Covid was one use and then discard. With CoVid, that practice had to change. Also, there was a blackmarket with N-95s that emerged quickly. People were buying up containers of masks to sell at huge profits. Those masks were diverted from the hospital to private sellers.

 

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Do you actually believe what you just wrote? On the one hand, you say the government was concerned because they needed to conserve the N 95 masks for healthcare workers. And as you claim they didn’t want to be pressed to make them available to the public? What are you basing that on? But you’re also saying they didn’t have a data at the time to make any recommendations on wearing masks overall. Which one is it?

How hard would it have been to recommend the use of any face coverings/masks and distancing at the time as a precautionary measure until you had more data? He's supposed to be the resident expert on viruses. Why not err on the side of caution and reduce the potential of airborne droplets and being too close together? Even though China was not forthcoming on information it was pretty darn obvious of what we could see there, that we should have taken measures early on. Think of how many tens of thousands of lives that would have been saved, if he provided that guidance from the very start.

As I said earlier, it was a BS excuse. There was never any threat to the N95 masks in the system being accessed by the public.

It was a subsequent interview. He clarified he was talking about where the masks would be going and they needed to prioritize doctors and nurses over the general public.

Again, we knew very little about the virus and potential threat at that time. We didn't know how significant the asymptomatic spread was. It's pretty clear that in the original 60 minutes interview they were talking about personal protection. We then learned more that the masks help prevent the asymptomatic spread to others and he changed his view.

Really not that complicated... Expecting him to get everything correct all of the time is pretty silly. In fact, you were very much on board with his message originally.

IMO, Fauci and Gottlieb are proving the most sound and measured assessments and recommendations.

^ that's a week after that 60 minutes interview.

 

[SHUSA]

It was a subsequent interview. He clarified he was talking about where the masks would be going and they needed to prioritize doctors and nurses over the general public.

Again, we knew very little about the virus and potential threat at that time. We didn't know how significant the asymptomatic spread was. It's pretty clear that in the original 60 minutes interview they were talking about personal protection. We then learned more that the masks help prevent the asymptomatic spread to others and he changed his view.

Really not that complicated... Expecting him to get everything correct all of the time is pretty silly. In fact, you were very much on board with his message originally.




^ that's a week after that 60 minutes interview.

eh idk. virus was pretty much going full swing when he said masks dont work. it was clear he was trying to keep supply up for workers. he knew what he was doing.

 

[HALL85]

That's because usage with PPE's prior to Covid was one use and then discard. With CoVid, that practice had to change. Also, there was a black market with N-95s that emerged quickly. People were buying up containers of masks to sell at huge profits. Those masks were diverted from the hospital to private sellers.

Once again you are confusing the issue. Yes, there were black market masks that emerged, but they were substandard and would not have been purchased through the normal hospital channels anyway.

3M is one of the largest N95 mask manufacturers and they were allocated to healthcare distributors only...not to the public. There were a lot of phony masks showing up through other channels.

 

[HALL85]

It was a subsequent interview. He clarified he was talking about where the masks would be going and they needed to prioritize doctors and nurses over the general public.

Again, we knew very little about the virus and potential threat at that time. We didn't know how significant the asymptomatic spread was. It's pretty clear that in the original 60 minutes interview they were talking about personal protection. We then learned more that the masks help prevent the asymptomatic spread to others and he changed his view.

Really not that complicated... Expecting him to get everything correct all of the time is pretty silly. In fact, you were very much on board with his message originally.




^ that's a week after that 60 minutes interview.

Doctors and nurses were always prioritized because the public couldn't access the masks.

Fauci was considered the expert and even though we didn't know much (thank you China), we clearly saw what was happening and should have taken extra precautionary measures to distance and mask.

And yes, at the time, considering Fauci was supposed to be the expert, he sounded like the voice of reason...but time has shown him to be a flip-flopping idiot. No one ever expected him to get "everything correct", so nice try setting an imaginary bar.

 

[Pirata]

if you wanna get your point across dont come off as such a nutbag

As soon as your boy stops posting "your boy" in all of his responses.

 

[HallBall02]

So according to you the general public couldn’t access N95 masks before covid?

Not sure what world you were living in but that is certainly not correct.

Doctors and nurses were always prioritized because the public couldn't access the masks.

Fauci was considered the expert and even though we didn't know much (thank you China), we clearly saw what was happening and should have taken extra precautionary measures to distance and mask.

And yes, at the time, considering Fauci was supposed to be the expert, he sounded like the voice of reason...but time has shown him to be a flip-flopping idiot. No one ever expected him to get "everything correct", so nice try setting an imaginary bar.

 

[HALL85]

So according to you the general public couldn’t access N95 masks before covid?

Not sure what world you were living in but that is certainly not correct.

I didn't say that and have explained this now a half dozen times. The supply chain supporting hospitals and healthcare organizations is completely different than those that support the public. 90% + of the N95 masks that healthcare organizations purchase come through Cardinal, Medline, Owens & Minor and McKesson. (The rest are smaller distributors, but all dedicated to healthcare as well) If HallBall02 wants to get his hands on a box of those masks, I would suggest try ordering them from one of those companies and see if you are successful. You won't be.

To compound that, even before the pandemic hit the U.S., those healthcare customers began increasing their orders (because they anticipated increased utilization), so the distributors had to put everyone on allocation because their inventories dropped significantly and the manufacturers couldn't keep up with their requests. So the distributors wouldn't even put on any new healthcare accounts in the early part of 2020.

I'm happy to educate you further on the med/surg supply chain if you're interested.

 

[HallBall02]

Haha, thank you but I think being in the healthcare industry my whole life has given me some expertise as well😜

So you never bought 3M N95 mask from Home Depot? Same supply 3M diverted their production for just healthcare after covid. It was no longer available post covid.

I also bought N95 masks $10-20 a mask from online retailers over summer. It was also not just N95 but level 1-2 surgical masks that were hard to come by.

Many hospitals and medical clinics and offices were frantically trying to get them from all kinds of retailers abroad outside of normal supply channels.

I myself in early February 2020 bought N95 masks on Amazon, after the mask change, that was blocked off.

I don’t know why you are arguing that demand would have been so bad that critical workers would have less chance to have masks if he said we all needed to wear masks right away.

You don’t think a worker wouldn’t taken more masks home to protect their families?

I didn't say that and have explained this now a half dozen times. The supply chain supporting hospitals and healthcare organizations is completely different than those that support the public. 90% + of the N95 masks that healthcare organizations purchase come through Cardinal, Medline, Owens & Minor and McKesson. (The rest are smaller distributors, but all dedicated to healthcare as well) If HallBall02 wants to get his hands on a box of those masks, I would suggest try ordering them from one of those companies and see if you are successful. You won't be.

To compound that, even before the pandemic hit the U.S., those healthcare customers began increasing their orders (because they anticipated increased utilization), so the distributors had to put everyone on allocation because their inventories dropped significantly and the manufacturers couldn't keep up with their requests. So the distributors wouldn't even put on any new healthcare accounts in the early part of 2020.

I'm happy to educate you further on the med/surg supply chain if you're interested.

 

[HALL85]

Haha, thank you but I think being in the healthcare industry my whole life has given me some expertise as well😜

So you never bought 3M N95 mask from Home Depot? Same supply 3M diverted their production for just healthcare after covid. It was no longer available post covid.

I also bought N95 masks $10-20 a mask from online retailers over summer. It was also not just N95 but level 1-2 surgical masks that were hard to come by.

Many hospitals and medical clinics and offices were frantically trying to get them from all kinds of retailers abroad outside of normal supply channels.

I myself in early February 2020 bought N95 masks on Amazon, after the mask change, that was blocked off.

I don’t know why you are arguing that demand would have been so bad that critical workers would have less chance to have masks if he said we all needed to wear masks right away.

You don’t think a worker wouldn’t taken more masks home to protect their families?

Reading comprehension is not your forte. Of course you can buy masks at Home Depot, but that's a different supply chain and those masks would never be diverted from Home Depot back to a med/surg distributor. Totally separate supply chains. For the seventh time, the public cannot access the medical supply chain inventory, so there was no risk to healthcare workers by suggesting to the public that any kind of face covering made good sense. Your anecdotal stories have nothing to do with that.

And as a healthcare worker you would know if you "took masks home" from the hospital that would be considered theft. Hospitals were pretty clear on communicating that to their employees. I hope you didn't do that.

 

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Doctors and nurses were always prioritized because the public couldn't access the masks.

Fauci was considered the expert and even though we didn't know much (thank you China), we clearly saw what was happening and should have taken extra precautionary measures to distance and mask.

And yes, at the time, considering Fauci was supposed to be the expert, he sounded like the voice of reason...but time has shown him to be a flip-flopping idiot. No one ever expected him to get "everything correct", so nice try setting an imaginary bar.

Nonsense. Of course you expected him to get it all correct which is why we are still talking about his opinion on Masks on March 8th 2020. He acknowledge his opinion changed because circumstances changed.

He wasn't flip flopping. He was just conveying what we know as of the moment he was talking. You just got to a point where you didn't agree with him anymore.

 

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As soon as your boy stops posting "your boy" in all of his responses.

all 2?

Very sensitive this week. Rough golf outing?

 

[HALL85]

Nonsense. Of course you expected him to get it all correct which is why we are still talking about his opinion on Masks on March 8th 2020. He acknowledge his opinion changed because circumstances changed.

He wasn't flip flopping. He was just conveying what we know as of the moment he was talking. You just got to a point where you didn't agree with him anymore.

Once again, you seem to think you know what I think. You are definitely not clairvoyant material.

Fauci's record for the past year speaks for itself. His opinions constantly change, but he's suppose to be the expert and provide some guidance that shouldn't be changing daily.

 

[Merge]

Once again, you seem to think you know what I think. You are definitely not clairvoyant material.

Fauci's record for the past year speaks for itself. His opinions constantly change, but he's suppose to be the expert and provide some guidance that shouldn't be changing daily.

I agree his record speaks for itself. I have found the criticisms of him on this board to be, lies, misrepresentations or blaming him for not knowing everything early on.

As I have said. He was fine. He communicated frequently and I do believe those communications were in good faith in context of the current situation and his expertise in the field.

Support your claim. Provide examples of what he was changing his opinion on constantly.

 

[HALL85]

I agree his record speaks for itself. I have found the criticisms of him on this board to be, lies, misrepresentations or blaming him for not knowing everything early on.

As I have said. He was fine. He communicated frequently and I do believe those communications were in good faith in context of the current situation and his expertise in the field.

Support your claim. Provide examples of what he was changing his opinion on constantly.

So you find criticisms on this board and you decide to lump them into what I think...too funny.

Have to agree to disagree. You think he was fine. I think he started off that way and lost more and more credibility over time.

 

[HallBall02]

Reading comprehension is not your forte. Of course you can buy masks at Home Depot, but that's a different supply chain and those masks would never be diverted from Home Depot back to a med/surg distributor. Totally separate supply chains. For the seventh time, the public cannot access the medical supply chain inventory, so there was no risk to healthcare workers by suggesting to the public that any kind of face covering made good sense. Your anecdotal stories have nothing to do with that.

And as a healthcare worker you would know if you "took masks home" from the hospital that would be considered theft. Hospitals were pretty clear on communicating that to their employees. I hope you didn't do that.

You are not a smart one Hall85. I feel bad for anyone that takes your advice. To think there wouldn’t be hoarding of TP, gas, and yes masks if it was a rare resource when everyone was totally freaked out of an unknown disease.

3M stopped manufacturing it to go to places like Home Depot and diverted to hospitals...after COVId, meaning supply less...


People were recycling what was disposable masks to be reused again...it was a problem and would have been worse. Again what world were you living in? Any supply chain from medical to non medical had issues.

There was a scarcity issue and it would have been worse (not debatable) if Fauci said to wear masks from day 1. Exihnit A toilet paper... Again I don’t agree with Fauci’s decision but for anyone to think it wouldn’t have been worse is very illinformed. Hospitals and medical facilities were ordering outside of their normal supply chains it was so bad.

As far as me, like I said for my personal uses I paid a heavy mark up for my N95 masks $20 a mask at the peak. I’m sure for those hourly healthcare workers, giving an extra mask to their 80 year old parents didn’t seem like an unethical thing to do...

 

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So you find criticisms on this board and you decide to lump them into what I think...too funny.

Yep, because you have agreed with them and are now chiming in that he has been changing his positions constantly. A claim you will not back up.

I don't know why but I can venture a guess because you know his positions were fairly reasonable at the time. and that you would normally expect medical experts to change their views over time as they learn more.

Does it surprise you that even medical experts have differing opinions and their points of view change over time as they get more data?

The difference for you wit Fauci in my opinion is that you are joining in the politicization.

I've said all along we should be listening to Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx and Dr. Gottlieb. Their perspective, projections and recommendations have all evolved over the course of the last five months.

So Fauci "evolving" was something that you found to be worth listening to, but a year later his opinions shifting as he learned more is just too much for you?

 

[SHUSA]

As soon as your boy stops posting "your boy" in all of his responses.

who is my boy? lol . i dont know any one here

 

[HALL85]

You are not a smart one Hall85. I feel bad for anyone that takes your advice. To think there wouldn’t be hoarding of TP, gas, and yes masks if it was a rare resource when everyone was totally freaked out of an unknown disease.

3M stopped manufacturing it to go to places like Home Depot and diverted to hospitals...after COVId, meaning supply less...


People were recycling what was disposable masks to be reused again...it was a problem and would have been worse. Again what world were you living in? Any supply chain from medical to non medical had issues.

There was a scarcity issue and it would have been worse (not debatable) if Fauci said to wear masks from day 1. Exihnit A toilet paper... Again I don’t agree with Fauci’s decision but for anyone to think it wouldn’t have been worse is very illinformed. Hospitals and medical facilities were ordering outside of their normal supply chains it was so bad.

As far as me, like I said for my personal uses I paid a heavy mark up for my N95 masks $20 a mask at the peak. I’m sure for those hourly healthcare workers, giving an extra mask to their 80 year old parents didn’t seem like an unethical thing to do...

There's a whole lot of nonsense in that response...."3M stopped manufacturing it"? They ADDED additional shifts and capacity to try to keep up with hospital demand...you are clueless. Two totally different supply chains....two separate inventories. You keep failing to see the key point here in that the public could not access the healthcare inventory of N95 masks. That's indisputable.

 

[SHUSA]

There's a whole lot of nonsense in that response...."3M stopped manufacturing it"? They ADDED additional shifts and capacity to try to keep up with hospital demand...you are clueless. Two totally different supply chains....two separate inventories. You keep failing to see the key point here in that the public could not access the healthcare inventory of N95 masks. That's indisputable.

i do believe there were black market sales to consumer distributers for these masks. especially when people were buying them for like $100 at one point