Wuhan Lab Source Of Virus ?
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What was your saying about reading comprehension? I said stopped manufacturing for their non medical channels...
Ok I guess all logic of business dynamics of supply and demand will agree to disagree with you 🤪.
You can keep believing resources that were already stressed wouldn’t be more so if Fauci said we all needed it from day 1.
Ok I guess all logic of business dynamics of supply and demand will agree to disagree with you 🤪.
You can keep believing resources that were already stressed wouldn’t be more so if Fauci said we all needed it from day 1.
And that just supports what I’ve been saying all along. That the public can’t access product that is manufactured for the healthcare channel. I’ve only said that nine times now. You seem to be in denial about that.
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This isnt how supply chains work. As soon as there is a disruption companies prioritize who they will supply. There is no doubt N95 masks were prioritized for medical settings, and big box stores would be affected.
What Hall85 fails to understand is doctor offices and other medical facilities around me were ordering from the same alternate channels that I was for personal use for my family. Since they bought higher volumes there were different rates of course. Usually shady ops from China and other intl places.
This whole debate is so unnecessary. Instead of fighting with everyone on what actually happened, google mask demand COVID. Instead of fighting about how supply and demand work, pick up an economics book and educate yourself.
This way you can understand why it happened and what would have happened if Fauci said mask from day one, making it even more scarce.
Again I’m not saying he did the right thing but that was his reasoning and it definitely alleviated some of the burden of supply with less demand (before as you said, 3M and others ramped up production).
Do you still work in the medical field? I seriously don’t think you do because you would known what happened around this time last year in medical facilities.
This whole debate is so unnecessary. Instead of fighting with everyone on what actually happened, google mask demand COVID. Instead of fighting about how supply and demand work, pick up an economics book and educate yourself.
This way you can understand why it happened and what would have happened if Fauci said mask from day one, making it even more scarce.
Again I’m not saying he did the right thing but that was his reasoning and it definitely alleviated some of the burden of supply with less demand (before as you said, 3M and others ramped up production).
Do you still work in the medical field? I seriously don’t think you do because you would known what happened around this time last year in medical facilities.
HALL85 is correct. From what I have seen, reading comprehension has long been an issue for you on PirateCrew. I am not surprised to see that grammar is an issue as well.
Long ranting diatribe that ignores the factual points I’ve made yet again. Rinse, wash, repeat.
New study claims Chinese scientists created COVID 19 in a lab
The 22-page paper on the origins of COVID-19, exclusively obtained by DailyMail.com and slated for publication in the coming days, is set to make waves among the scientific community.
Wow I hope this doesn’t negatively impact Hunter Biden’s business with China.He has already indicated he isn’t giving up the cash from China even though his father is president because he has never discussed his business with his father,not on 14 hour flights on Air Force 2,not at dinners with Hunter ,President Biden and Hunters shady business partners,got to admire that self control.I just can’t understand why his business partners wanted to have dinner with his father if they didn’t think this might help their business.
New study claims Chinese scientists created COVID 19 in a lab
The 22-page paper on the origins of COVID-19, exclusively obtained by DailyMail.com and slated for publication in the coming days, is set to make waves among the scientific community.www.dailymail.co.uk
Of course they did. It has been obvious from the start. Now the real question that needs to be answered is, was it released intentionally?
I don’t think it was intentional just careless and their pride made them hide it which resulted in worldwide pandemic.I don’t think anyone who is at all open minded believes it didn’t come from the lab.If it didn’t come from the lab China wouldn’t be hiding everything,destroying records and punishing scientists who indicated it may have come from the lab.China is our arch enemy who openly declares they want to be the super power by 2035.Unfortunately they now know they can produce bioweapons which is another potential way they can threaten their adversaries.
china has slowly taken over. and we as a collective nation have let them
This feels like Chernobyl Part II. Big screw up; hide it from your own citizens and then only come clean once it may have an effect on the world; except China didn’t do the third thing).
I am not saying the public in general can buy masks from a distributor. Are you saying that there is no way that in the medical supply chain, especially from the distributors, that the distributors would not divert containers of masks to the black market because of greed? So instead a distributor would sell a container for double or triple the price to the black market instead of it going to the hospitals. There by creating more of a shortage. you are looking at it the way it supposed to work but there are always people and companies that operate outside of normal channels.
Moreover, didn't 3M get in trouble for not producing enough masks and then compounded it by sending N-95's masks to China?
My personal belief that this Corona virus did come from the Wuhan Lab is based on a few facts. First reports out of China said that three men contracted the Covid 19 who were exposed to infected bats outside the lab. But recently a report out of China said three technicians within the lab contracted it. Initial reports by the World Health Org.(WHO) --which is highly funded by China--found the virus was not from the lab. Given the Chinese mis-information and denial history I think there is strong evidence right there. It came from the lab. There were interviews in America with a Chinese scientist from that lab who worked with the virus at Wuhan. The question I have: Was the virus accidentally or deliberately released ? Why were the Chinese studying a corona virus that obviously could be weaponized? Why did the Chinese government wait two months to report the outbreaks in Wuhan to the world. Why didn't the WHO know of the outbreak immediately? There are too many questions pointing the source to the WUHAN LAB theory
It’s certainly possible, but unlikely. 3M would know if the masks were diverted because of the rebate/tracing fee process that the industry uses. They were also allocating by hospital and directing distributors on where to ship.
Plus you are talking about the big four distributors (Cardinal, McKesson, Medline and O&M), three of which are Fortune 100 companies with about $250 billion in combined revenue). The margin they would make diverting a portion of the mask volume would be minuscule and not worth the public relations nightmare.
Yup the big distributors were stock piled with masks this time last year 🤣. That is why everyone was reusing their n95 masks and others couldn’t even get em.
What you aren’t getting (for some unknown reason) is that the McKessons of the world’s inventory was limited so alternative distributors were selling masks much more to big healthcare delivery networks like mine.
Therefore a run on masks began and if our health leaders at the time said to mask up to general pub it would have been even more difficult.
Sorry buddy but I was in thick of it. The traditional channels you mentioned were sputtering masks and it would have just made it harder.
This isn’t debatable not sure why you are arguing an obvious rule of supply and demand?
What you aren’t getting (for some unknown reason) is that the McKessons of the world’s inventory was limited so alternative distributors were selling masks much more to big healthcare delivery networks like mine.
Therefore a run on masks began and if our health leaders at the time said to mask up to general pub it would have been even more difficult.
Sorry buddy but I was in thick of it. The traditional channels you mentioned were sputtering masks and it would have just made it harder.
This isn’t debatable not sure why you are arguing an obvious rule of supply and demand?
You really are showing your ignorance of the healthcare supply chain, but carry on.
I talked to a man last September or October who lives in Arizona that worked for the CDC for 15 years and said he has been to the lab in Wuhan many times. His exact words were that without a doubt the virus came from that lab. He also said a few other things that so far has come true and has proven him correct. He also said Fauci is the biggest POS. No one in the department respects him. “He’s a self serving asshole”
Faucci is a politician and that is proven by how long he has been in his position. He is not a practicing doctor at all and hasn't been since around 1968. He is a research guy and has been in government for decades so he knows who to kiss up to to keep his cushy job.
Two interesting tidbits. My brother is in medical research for a very well known Pharma company based in NJ and works and travels to Asia a lot. His Chinese counterparts that were from China but not working or living in China any more said right from the start the Wuhan lab is most likely the source and don't believe anything that the Chinese government says. One of the Docs on his team in Singapore who had just moved from China guaranteed it was from the Wuhan lab. Said there were too many coincidences making it almost certain.
My daughter is a teacher outside of Boston and her district has a significant Asian population. In mid January (early 2020) after the holidays multiple Chinese parents complained to the principals and superintendent asking why they were allowing children who traveled to Wuhan over the holidays to attend school. They said there is a very bad virus there and the kids who traveled to Wuhan should stay home so they don't spread it in the school. The district had no idea why the Chinese parents were so incensed and upset and could not do anything about it. My daughters class had two Chinese kids that stayed home because their parents did not want to expose their kids to the kids who traveled to Wuhan. Their parents would not let them go to school and this was long before most knew what was happening. Those Chinese parents knew and tried to warn the district. So much information was suppressed by the Chinese and by our government too and Faucci was one of the many officials right in the middle of all of that and he knew that lab was experimenting with these kinds of viruses. It makes too much sense.
Two interesting tidbits. My brother is in medical research for a very well known Pharma company based in NJ and works and travels to Asia a lot. His Chinese counterparts that were from China but not working or living in China any more said right from the start the Wuhan lab is most likely the source and don't believe anything that the Chinese government says. One of the Docs on his team in Singapore who had just moved from China guaranteed it was from the Wuhan lab. Said there were too many coincidences making it almost certain.
My daughter is a teacher outside of Boston and her district has a significant Asian population. In mid January (early 2020) after the holidays multiple Chinese parents complained to the principals and superintendent asking why they were allowing children who traveled to Wuhan over the holidays to attend school. They said there is a very bad virus there and the kids who traveled to Wuhan should stay home so they don't spread it in the school. The district had no idea why the Chinese parents were so incensed and upset and could not do anything about it. My daughters class had two Chinese kids that stayed home because their parents did not want to expose their kids to the kids who traveled to Wuhan. Their parents would not let them go to school and this was long before most knew what was happening. Those Chinese parents knew and tried to warn the district. So much information was suppressed by the Chinese and by our government too and Faucci was one of the many officials right in the middle of all of that and he knew that lab was experimenting with these kinds of viruses. It makes too much sense.
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Personally, I do think the premise is a shame. Calling people working for publicly funded institutions "politicians" kissing asses to keep their cushy job is just a political talking point and not really based on anything. Bluntly, Fauci could have received a huge bump in salary if he wanted to if he joined a private company.
Very few people even knew who he was, and I don't think any of us here have an understanding of if he was effective at his job or not over his career. I'm not making an argument that he has been effective. I have no idea, but similarly non of us have an understanding if he was not effective.
Calling out public workers just because the are public workers seems wrong to me. It's not a political post. He's just in the spotlight because he would be asked follow up questions about something crazy that the president had just said.
Trump said some extraordinarily stupid things for sure no doubt. But Faucci may be his contemporary as well as he has contradicted himself many times during this process. And Faucci should be held accountable for funding that lab for any purpose especially because they have not been great at sharing reliable information. That was our tax dollars and we can have an opinion about it and about the person who approved the funding. Calling out public workers who make bad decisions is something we should all do. He took the job and has kept the job for many years so he should be ready for what that potentially brings.
You're so naive. Anyone who exists in government for decades knows who to kiss up to. They all play the same game.
I don't always agree with everything he said, but I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone. He was asked to guess a lot and he did so based on his experience in the field. Like masks. I don't think he was trying to mislead anyone when he said masks aren't needed at first. He changed his view when we learned more... As everyone should.
Sure. I'm not opposed to digging there. If there was some kind of dereliction of duty or something he did wrong, hold him accountable.
Yeah, that is fine. All I am saying is that being a public worker doesn't mean you are just skating along in some cushy job. If they deserve criticism, criticize them. From my view the criticisms about Fauci have generally been because someone didn't understand, or are intentionally twisting what he said.
So no public worker who has worked for the government for a long period of time can be good at their job, and this is only in the public sector? There is no private sector ass kissing?
Not what I said. Seems HALL85 isn't the only one who gets his words twisted by you...
You can be good at your job and still kiss up. Fauci happens to be bad at his.
So when you said "they all play the same game" You meant some of them are good at their jobs but are playing the same game?
Again, just a shame that a little over a year ago anyone here would have looked at his bio and thought that it is pretty impressive. He gives he honest assessment a million times over the course of a year and you hate him because he wasn't guarded enough in his thoughts and gave his opinion based on his expertise.
Again, just a shame that a little over a year ago anyone here would have looked at his bio and thought that it is pretty impressive. He gives he honest assessment a million times over the course of a year and you hate him because he wasn't guarded enough in his thoughts and gave his opinion based on his expertise.
The big one was he does specifically said India was going to have a big problem on their hands with this eventually. He said it will explode on that country.
The other thing he said is the threshold for the number of cycles the PCR tests is way too high than it needs to be which will produce many more positives from the common cold and regular flu. He said he wouldn’t be surprised if the flu cases were almost non existent because of this.
I asked him about masks and he said for the average person they aren’t needed. Just a big security blanket.
He was not fond of Fauci
Thanks, good stuff. People who haven't had their views on covid corrupted by politics say similar things.
The only thing we we knew about him a year ago was his bio. But as he has had over a year in front of the camera, is flip-flopping has become painfully obvious. I will admit that he sounded credible at the start, but evaluating his work since then is a different story.
Seemed like you were implying it was something more recent than changing his view on masks 14 months ago.
Is that it?
