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25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

@Merge RT rate stable at 1.06. Cases down and hospitalizations under 1800. Over/Under Governor Murphy pulls his executive order on masks by July 4th?

 
guess you’ve given up on Labor Day?

I can’t really predict what Murphy will do, but assuming we stay on this trend (and I believe we will) this will be essentially over (still spreading but very few hospitalizations and deaths) by June. I’d guess over but that’s probably pretty close.
 
As Dr Osterholm stated, its officially a race against the variant vs the vaccinations. But unfortunately the US is on the brink of the UK variant surge.

@Merge @shu09 You two don't think this surge will happen? I have been warning this to this board over the last couple of weeks.

 
guess you’ve given up on Labor Day?

I can’t really predict what Murphy will do, but assuming we stay on this trend (and I believe we will) this will be essentially over (still spreading but very few hospitalizations and deaths) by June. I’d guess over but that’s probably pretty close.

No I have not given up. I think I will be right and you will not be posting on this board after Labor Day. I can't believe you don't think a UK variant surge will happen even when the experts are telling us so.
 

You are ignoring my questions. Should the public listen to Osterholm and Fauci? Or no? They are both predicting UK variant surges.
 
Now you're just straight up lying. This article is from February 2020 and the word "mask" isn't mentioned once.
 
Dr. Osterholm also said he wouldn't go to a restaurant even if he had the vaccine. Man is crazy. :oops:

Cases have not leveled off, they are continuing to drop. Only 40,000 recorded yesterday, the lowest daily number since September 28.
 
Dr. Osterholm also said he wouldn't go to a restaurant even if he had the vaccine. Man is crazy. :oops:

Cases have not leveled off, they are continuing to drop. Only 40,000 recorded yesterday, the lowest daily number since September 28.

You think 40,000 cases a good place to be with the UK variant surge coming?
 
There is no surge coming. If there is any increase, it will be very modest.
 
There is no surge coming. If there is any increase, it will be very modest.

Not sure if I would believe this feedback. You have been wrong about most of this pandemic. I would still side with Dr. Osterholm and Dr. Fauci
 
There will not be another surge. That variant may just become the predominant one people get infected with if they get infected.

Fauci and Osterholm are correct that now is not the time to let our guard down. If we take the threat seriously, there will be over soon. If we don't, then it may extend longer. That's really all they are saying.
 
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There will not be another surge. That variant may just become the predominant one people get infected with if they get infected.

Fauci and Osterholm are correct that now is not the time to let our guard down. If we take the threat seriously, there will be over soon. If we don't, then it may extend longer. That's really all they are saying.

Your take is fair and balanced here. Although I'm not sure I agree about the motives of Fauci and Osterholm.
 
This is all just very self fulfilling. If the public takes the risks more seriously, it will have less of an impact. If the public takes it less seriously, it will have more of an impact.

In my opinion, the motives of Fauci and Osterholm are to present worst case outlooks so people will tend to continue to take precautions now instead of looking at the trends and thinking that it is over now. We're very close, just not quite there yet.
 
See latest guidance from the CDC below on how fully vaccinated people can gather. Based on the comments section of this tweet, many people are saying they will be wearing masks even fully vaccinated way after the pandemic is over. Once person mentioned the face that they didn't get a cold this year. And they will be wearing a mask going forward because of that.

 
This is all just very self fulfilling. If the public takes the risks more seriously, it will have less of an impact. If the public takes it less seriously, it will have more of an impact.

In my opinion, the motives of Fauci and Osterholm are to present worst case outlooks so people will tend to continue to take precautions now instead of looking at the trends and thinking that it is over now. We're very close, just not quite there yet.

I still don't know what the exact intention of Fauci and Osterholm is. But I don't trust the government. I still don't think we will have the freedoms before the pandemic. Example- Covid passports. Government will now know our exact location, travel whereabouts, etc. I am also concerned about universal mask wearing as well.

We will also be filling out a lot more surveys such as "Health Check" and "Where I am located"
 
Terrific summation of where we are and the disastrous policy decisions of the last year by Dr. Scott Atlas:

 
Here come the vaccine passports. Every American must fight against this with everything we've got. It's discrimination and a direct attack on our freedoms.

I find it ironic that the airline industry is pushing this, thinking it will increase travel. It will have the opposite effect. I had to laugh when the article says it'll be "temporary." Yeah, right.

 
Here come the vaccine passports. Every American must fight against this with everything we've got. It's discrimination and a direct attack on our freedoms.

I find it ironic that the airline industry is pushing this, thinking it will increase travel. It will have the opposite effect. I had to laugh when the article says it'll be "temporary." Yeah, right.


I'm just laughing because I mentioned this months ago and I was called a "fear mongerer" for it. I believe even from you. Was I wrong?
 
I'm just laughing because I mentioned this months ago and I was called a "fear mongerer" for it. I believe even from you. Was I wrong?

Nope, I agreed with you on this. Remember, the entire response is about increased government control/power and not about the virus.
 
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I just heard president Biden speak. @shu09 is right. We are never getting our freedoms back. It is truly scary that the president is telling us we will be able to meet in small groups by July 4 but not large crowds.
 
@Merge 3000+ cases and hospitalizations stalling is still concerning. I thought you said hospitalizations were going to continue drop? Plus the monmouth county spike. Something to watch!


 
First 13 days reported for each month - New hospitalizations

December - 2,621
January - 6,724
February - 1,803
March - 1,304

My guess as to why the number of curranty hospitalized isn't falling as quickly right now is that there are probably some people with longer stays who are in more critical condition.

As long as the number of new hospitalizations doesn't spike, we are still in good shape.
And almost 3 million vaccinated in NJ now. We are in great shape.
 
First 13 days reported for each month - New hospitalizations

December - 2,621
January - 6,724
February - 1,803
March - 1,304

My guess as to why the number of curranty hospitalized isn't falling as quickly right now is that there are probably some people with longer stays who are in more critical condition.

As long as the number of new hospitalizations doesn't spike, we are still in good shape.
And almost 3 million vaccinated in NJ now. We are in great shape.

7 day average of cases is going up. Need to watch hospitalizations next couple weeks. I would not say we are in great shape yet.

 
First 13 days reported for each month - New hospitalizations

December - 2,621
January - 6,724
February - 1,803
March - 1,304

My guess as to why the number of curranty hospitalized isn't falling as quickly right now is that there are probably some people with longer stays who are in more critical condition.

As long as the number of new hospitalizations doesn't spike, we are still in good shape.
And almost 3 million vaccinated in NJ now. We are in great shape.
Why based on those stats and the development of a vac do you continue to fail to acknowledge that Biden said dark winter purely for theatrics? And why do u respond with stats to the ghost with a hazmat suit and citizen of year award ?
was a great day on golf course in Florida today. Too bad I can’t enjoy selection show
 
Why based on those stats and the development of a vac do you continue to fail to acknowledge that Biden said dark winter purely for theatrics?


More than 300,000 people died since he said that.

That wasn't theatrics. He was right.
 
More than 300,000 people died since he said that.

That wasn't theatrics. He was right.
And your fact that it was 300k )assuming you mean US only) is wrong.

And u apparently assume they caught it that day then died

and you assume no other causes

And you assume no games with numbers (because nobody played games with numbers afraid of what would happen to political issues (lol))

and u yet again ignore my statement which was akin to trumps that SINCE OCTOBER AT LEAST average length of hospital stay is WAY down
 
Why based on those stats and the development of a vac do you continue to fail to acknowledge that Biden said dark winter purely for theatrics? And why do u respond with stats to the ghost with a hazmat suit and citizen of year award ?
was a great day on golf course in Florida today. Too bad I can’t enjoy selection show


Ghost in a suit? Yeah man I changed my whole life this year because of a couple family members that live with me that have MAJOR health complications. You are going to make fun of me because of that? Maybe you should look yourself in the mirror.
 
Ghost in a suit? Yeah man I changed my whole life this year because of a couple family members that live with me that have MAJOR health complications. You are going to make fun of me because of that? Maybe you should look yourself in the mirror.
Maybe. Maybe not.
I don’t get why you bash pols for doing what you do. I thought it was tongue in cheek. I really don’t care what you personally decide to do. I do give a shit about pols ruining small businesses and children’s learning efforts
 
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Maybe. Maybe not.
I don’t get why you bash pols for doing what you do. I thought it was tongue in cheek. I really don’t care what you personally decide to do. I do give a shit about pols ruining small businesses and children’s learning efforts

I just reported this post for foul language and have requested for this poster to be suspended. Thank you!
 
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I just reported this post for foul language and have requested for this poster to be suspended. Thank you!
Please ask Dan to post the instructions to voluntarily withdraw- it was confusing when I tried. Or u can explain. Thanks
 
Please ask Dan to post the instructions to voluntarily withdraw- it was confusing when I tried. Or u can explain. Thanks

Huh? Your posts don't make any sense. You can withdraw. After posting foul language like that, I hope you ar suspended for good.
 
And your fact that it was 300k )assuming you mean US only) is wrong.

And u apparently assume they caught it that day then died

and you assume no other causes

And you assume no games with numbers (because nobody played games with numbers afraid of what would happen to political issues (lol))

and u yet again ignore my statement which was akin to trumps that SINCE OCTOBER AT LEAST average length of hospital stay is WAY down


Yes, I am talking about he US since Biden is the president of the US.
Yes, I am correct that more than 300,000 Americans have died since Biden said that comment. October 22nd 215k deaths. Today 546k.
That diff is >300k, right?

Yes, there is evidence that these are excess deaths well above what we have seen in prior years and are absolutely attributable to Covid.

You want to celebrate that 300k+ have died in recent months because people aren't staying in the hospital as long?
 
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Yes, I am talking about he US since Biden is the president of the US.
Yes, I am correct that more than 300,000 Americans have died since Biden said that comment. October 22nd 215k deaths. Today 546k.
That diff is >300k, right?

Yes, there is evidence that these are excess deaths well above what we have seen in prior years and are absolutely attributable to Covid.

You want to celebrate that 300k+ have died in recent months because people aren't staying in the hospital as long?

@Merge You are spot on with this post. There have there been more than 300,000 deaths since Biden made that statement. I am not sure what @Hallsome intent is to argue here. He has a weird obsession with you and me for some reason. It truly was a dark winter.
 
@Merge You are spot on with this post. There have there been more than 300,000 deaths since Biden made that statement. I am not sure what @Hallsome intent is to argue here. He has a weird obsession with you and me for some reason. It truly was a dark winter.
I think it’s been a great, bright winter. We pushed out a vax. Needless deaths because of improper ventilators have been avoided. Btw the number is more like 250 but it’s still not dark thanks to my second and third sentences.
1993, please post instructions as to how I can cancel my account. Will gladly do within 24 hours of you posting it because the negative dopes on trove have already gotten me to try, to no avail. PS, why haz mat suit if you don’t go out?
 
I think it’s been a great, bright winter. We pushed out a vax. Needless deaths because of improper ventilators have been avoided. Btw the number is more like 250 but it’s still not dark thanks to my second and third sentences.
1993, please post instructions as to how I can cancel my account. Will gladly do within 24 hours of you posting it because the negative dopes on trove have already gotten me to try, to no avail. PS, why haz mat suit if you don’t go out?

You must not read my posts fully. I haven't worn a hazmat suit yet. I will when I go out. I will research how you can remove your account. But you also seem very lazy. You couldn't find my citizen of the year article when I told this whole group the county where my town is. And you don't know how to delete an account?

Try telling that to the 300,000 families of americans that have lost loved ones. The winter of 2020 will always be remembered as a dark winter.
 
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