25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine
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Interesting article from bloomberg. We might have to prepare to live in a "permanent pandemic". With new variants it seems like we will never get back to normal. I warned about this! Looks like I will be right again!
www.bloomberg.com
We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic
With coronavirus mutations pitted against vaccinations in a global arms race, we may never go back to normal.
www.bloomberg.com
Interesting narrative that the media has been pushing the last couple days. They are now telling us we will never get back to normal. People will be getting out their masks for years to come. Didn't I warn about this?
www.nj.com
Life in N.J. will never be the same after COVID. Here’s what ‘new normal’ could look like.
Public health experts now are saying without hesitation: We’re never going back to “normal.”
Dude, I can't tell if you're being deliberately annoying or this is all some kind of bad schtick. I really hope it is the latter. I am warning the board now that you need some help.Interesting narrative that the media has been pushing the last couple days. They are now telling us we will never get back to normal. People will be getting out their masks for years to come. Didn't I warn about this?
Life in N.J. will never be the same after COVID. Here’s what ‘new normal’ could look like.
Public health experts now are saying without hesitation: We’re never going back to “normal.”
Why do I need help. I have been mostly right about this pandemic and I am warning this board we will never go back to normal again
you seem to have some deep psychological craving to receive credit for your foresight or intelligence. yet it's not clear to me (I'm not that intelligent) how much you've actually been right about. just scanning a few of your posts:
- you boast that you were right about forecasting the number of deaths- 300k. Well, of course it's much larger than that, so not sure if that is really an accurate prediction on your part.
- your predictions are often simply echoing the opinions of certain experts, yet you claim to be the hero warning everyone. "I told you so". "look at me, I have valuable information"
- you report a poll that 25% won't get the vaccine and this will mean no end for pandemic. obviously everyone doesn't need to get the vaccine (nor is this ever expected) and we just need to reach the critical vaccination level. masks are one of the interim measures until vaccines can be deployed. if certain individuals don't want vaccines, then that's their choice and they may eventually obtain their immunity from the virus itself.
I can safely say that I and many others will go back to normal. I believe others, such as yourself, may have some challenges. Perhaps stepping outside the doomsday bunker and getting some fresh air and sunlight every now and then will help.
I disagree with your last bullet point. People hesitant to taking the vaccine will slow the end of the pandemic, including myself. I am not taking the vaccine right now. I am worried about the long term health effects of the vaccine. If 5 years down the line there haven't been any major health impact from the vaccine, I will probably get the jab then.
I confirmed a day or two ago it was a schtick (hating Dems which I can understand) plus a told ya so aspect. 93 what’s the death rate up to?
Correct. See below. Were you one of those people that thought 99.98% of people recover from the virus?
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
coronavirus.jhu.edu
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I think the figure is overinflatedCorrect. See below. Were you one of those people that thought 99.98% of people recover from the virus?
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center
How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
We didn’t test when we had a bulk of deaths
Would like to know monthly death rates
You think the figure is overinflated because this doesn't fit your specific agenda? The data doesn't lie. Especially from John Hopkins University.
How many people that get the vaccine die will be the ultimate stat.The 25% who fear getting the vaccine will also contribute to herd immunity because a number of them will get it and survive.As everyone knows the Spanish flu hundred years ago killed 15 million so let’s not go overboard on fear of this pandemic overwhelming number below 65 and with no underlying condition more likely to die of cancer next year than covid.My biggest concern is that seeing the damage covid 19 has done would China be tempted to turn 20 loose.
I don’t really have an agenda when it comes to this stuff. Why not show me monthly death rates?
Thanks for this chart @Merge!
Also what are your thoughts on this latest wave? Do you think we will peak soon?
@Merge Montclair State epidemiologist predicts that we will be wearing masks well into the fall in NJ. Under that scenario you will stop posting in this board after Labor day, correct?
www.nj.com
How long will the COVID third wave last in N.J.? Here’s what experts have to say.
State models say the surge may not peak until mid-April or mid-May in New Jersey.
@Merge Montclair State epidemiologist predicts that we will be wearing masks well into the fall in NJ. Under that scenario you will stop posting in this board after Labor day, correct?
How long will the COVID third wave last in N.J.? Here’s what experts have to say.
State models say the surge may not peak until mid-April or mid-May in New Jersey.
We just need time to get people vaccinated.
Everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be able to get vaccinated at some point within the next couple months. After that there really isn't a reason to wear a mask, though we will likely err on the side of caution for a short period of time. The vaccine is highly effective and Murphy is not going to want to have a mask mandate on peoples minds heading into reelection.
Said a while back I was watching what would happen in Israel. Covid is almost over there because they vaccinated the at risk population so quickly. It wasn't a straight line down either. They had a couple blips along the way.
We're on a similar path.
Per the top article on the times. Scientists are now warning variants will drag this pandemic out. They are warning we might need boosters fast.
Virus Variants Threaten to Draw Out the Pandemic, Scientists Say (Published 2021)
Declining infection rates overall masked a rise in more contagious forms of the coronavirus. Vaccines will stop the spread, if Americans postpone celebration just a bit longer.
Huh? Merge was wrong. He said we wouldn't see another surge. We are officially now in the third wave!
Reading the stories of terrible side effects from the "vaccines" on the Trove. These stories are similar to some people I work with. One person said they thought they were going to die the effects of the shot were so severe.
Amazing how the government and media have persuaded people to line up in droves for an experimental non-FDA approved therapeutic. These are not normal vaccines. Fear is a hell of a drug.
In my opinion, if you're under 50 and in good health overall (not obese, no serious conditions, etc.) I don't think the risk is worth taking. I think the vaccine makes a lot of sense for those over 50 due to what this virus can do to older folks.
Amazing how the government and media have persuaded people to line up in droves for an experimental non-FDA approved therapeutic. These are not normal vaccines. Fear is a hell of a drug.
In my opinion, if you're under 50 and in good health overall (not obese, no serious conditions, etc.) I don't think the risk is worth taking. I think the vaccine makes a lot of sense for those over 50 due to what this virus can do to older folks.
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I have doctor friends, including one in NJ who was on the front/front lines of this at the beginning because she is an anesthesiologist intubating patients. They are under 50 by a good margin. They elected to get the vaccine because their jobs basically wanted them to and unlike certain professions, they can't just say "no" and act like a petulant child while still getting paid in full the entire time for fake-learning environments. If their jobs didn't require it, they probably would have anyway because of their profession and being around COVID all the time in a very real way (i.e., intubating patients stricken with the virus).
They also told me exactly what you say here. They encouraged our parents to get it, because of their age. They encouraged some of our younger friends who have pre-existing conditions to get it. And they told me, my wife, and many others of us under 50 that we probably shouldn't get it unless we have a burning desire to do so, nor do our young kids need to get it. And that they wouldn't get it if they were in our shoes.
Will also add a personal anecdote. My parents and in-laws are fully vaccinated. They are retired or work in settings where potential exposure to the virus isn't an issue really. None have any underlying conditions that warranted getting the vaccine. They decided to for a few reasons: (1) their age; (2) they want to travel and think being vaccinated will make that easier; and (3) their view that if anyone should be getting it and the proverbial "guinea pig" for this scenario, it should be them. To quote my Mom and what she would tell her friends: Do I want my kids or grandkids (or their friends) being the test case scenario, or should it be our generation? They think the latter.
Thanks for the anecdote. Have these doctors you know said anything about the Janssen vaccine? From what I can tell, reports of nasty side effects are far less with this one and it's only one shot. If I choose to get a shot, this would likely be the one I'd get. I'm not going anywhere near the mRNA stuff.
We didn't discuss the specifics of one compared to the other, although I haven't asked. The discussions I referenced were had when the vaccine initially rolled out. A few of the doctor friends were over with other friends and their kids -- don't tell Murphy -- and we had a long discussion about the risk/reward and pro's and con's of getting the vaccine (it focused on the first few that made it to the market for public use, and I don't believe Janssen was one of those, but either way we didn't get into specifics).
I should add that my doctor friends didn't say it was the "worst" idea in the world to get it if you are under 50 but have a burning desire to do so for a particular reason. Maybe you travel a lot for work; maybe your work environment involves significant face-to-face personal interaction with people you don't know. Maybe you are having some anxiety because of the virus and the vaccine will help in that regard. But they flat told me that if "they were me" (or in groups like our common friends), they wouldn't get it. And some with our kids (and their kids, by the way).
Correct. That is why I am deciding not to take this vaccine. I think I am just going to continue sheltering in place until its safe. I am not going out during this third wave.
In fairness though, you have no idea if there will be any long term effects of Covid. None of us really do, and you’re choosing to believe the “fear” of a vaccine over Covid.
fwiw, I received the Pfizer vaccine. No side effects after the first shot and felt flu like symptoms for a day after the second. Otherwise completely fine. I know about 20 others who have been vaccinated. No major side effects among that group outside of what I experienced.
Absolutely. It is what you feel most comfortable with, an individualized choice. Some are more concerned about getting COVID compared to the potential risks of the unknown as it relates to the vaccine. Others have the opposite view. I don't think either are "wrong". It's what you think is best for you and the family.
Agreed. I’m not going tell anyone they should or shouldn’t. We can certainly come to different conclusions based on our own personal circumstances.
I just hope enough people get it that we build up enough herd immunity to end it sooner rather than later.
I’m pretty sure that I had it already as did one of my kids. Last February we had a few days of flu like symptoms that turned out not to be the flu or any other traditional respiratory illness. So do the math.
It seems like enough people have interest in getting the vaccine.
So the rate is lower than reported because of testing or lack thereof (for whatever reason). Got it. Thanks.
This vaccine fear is all based in ignorance. Yes, the mRNA vaccines got EUA but there were still large clinical trials. The mRNA "vector" is out of the body in a very short period of time. It's a very proven technology. There is no government conspiracy. Yes, there will be rare reactions and even death due to the vaccine, but that is no different from most other traditional vaccines. I agree that children needn't be bothered with it, but not because of any danger.
Any physician recommending that healthy adults forego the vaccine have lost their way: 1. Because it's safe, 2. Because they surely have seen or heard of healthy adults under 50 dying from COVID, as I have, and 3. They obviously have no concern for the greater good.
Any physician recommending that healthy adults forego the vaccine have lost their way: 1. Because it's safe, 2. Because they surely have seen or heard of healthy adults under 50 dying from COVID, as I have, and 3. They obviously have no concern for the greater good.
If they're so safe why hasn't the FDA approved them? EUA is not approval.
VAERS reports for these are off the charts compared to any other vaccine commonly in use. Why is that?
They weren’t saying as a general rule that everyone under 50 should forego it. What they said was that if you are in your 40s (or younger), have no underlying conditions and are a relatively healthy person, you should feel comfortable not getting the vaccine if you are concerned about the potential unknown because we don’t have the type of research or long term data we do for other vaccines. No conspiracy or anything like that.
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