25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

[donnie_baseball]

If they're so safe why hasn't the FDA approved them? EUA is not approval.

VAERS reports for these are off the charts compared to any other vaccine commonly in use. Why is that?

On the first question, because they haven't gone through all the clinical and administrative steps required for approval. Pfizer is submitting the application this month.

On the second question, my guess from personal and professional experience is that the VAERS are "off the charts" because of fear and anxiety, largely. The booster dose creates a significant immune response (which is desired) in many people, and in truth you feel like crap for a day or two after the second vaccine. You know the VAERS is a self-reporting system, right? I could say I felt lousy the day after the vaccine, report the event, you have an incident.

 

[shufan1993]

The Governor has announced vaccines will be available to the general public ages 16+ starting April 19th. @Merge Will mask EO be lifted soon? Do you think before or after memorial day?

 

[Merge]

@Merge Will mask EO be lifted soon? Do you think before or after memorial day?

July 16th.

 

[shufan1993]

July 16th.

Fantastic news! Will we have masks in schools on September? NJ teachers union are still calling for hybrid learning in September and mandatory mask wearing.

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Interesting article from NJ.com today. Doctors in NJ are raising alarm about schools in Nj fully reopening in September. They are worried about kids still spreading the disease. One doctor noted that kids should still be considered vulnerable because 7 kids still have died in NJ because of covid. These doctors say schools need to social distance and require mask wearing in September.

If this is the case, then you will not be posting on this board after Labor day. Our deal was that if we are completely back to normal I will stop posting and if we are not you will stop posting. Mask wearing and social distancing for schools in September is still not considered "back to normal".

Kids could bear the brunt of the COVID pandemic come fall, N.J. experts warn

Some experts fear that a vaccine won't be here in time for younger kids to return to school.

www.nj.com

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Hospitalizations now about 2,300. I warned about this surge but you said there wouldn't be another surge in hospitalizations. What is going wrong? When will the vaccines finally save the day?

 

[shufan1993]

Hospitalizations at a 7 week high. The vaccines are expected to reduce these numbers, correct?

N.J. reports 45 COVID deaths, 3,578 cases as hospitalizations climb to 7-week high

New Jersey's 71 hospitals reported 2,375 patients as of Tuesday night, up 43 from the day before and the highest number since Feb. 15

www.nj.com

 

[Merge]

@Merge Hospitalizations now about 2,300. I warned about this surge but you said there wouldn't be another surge in hospitalizations. What is going wrong? When will the vaccines finally save the day?

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When the fall surge hit, current hospitalizations increased by 300% in a month. This isn't a surge. It's just a blip on a downward trend.

 

[shufan1993]

When the fall surge hit, current hospitalizations increased by 300% in a month. This isn't a surge. It's just a blip on a downward trend.

Governor Murphy and Ms Judy are labeling this the third wave. Do you disagree with this label?

 

[HALL85]

When the fall surge hit, current hospitalizations increased by 300% in a month. This isn't a surge. It's just a blip on a downward trend.

And FWIW, even though hospitalizations are up in Eastern PA, no one who has been admitted in the past three weeks was vaccinated. No one; so as vaccination rates improve these numbers will drop to nothing.

 

[shufan1993]

And FWIW, even though hospitalizations are up in Eastern PA, no one who has been admitted in the past three weeks was vaccinated. No one; so as vaccination rates improve these numbers will drop to nothing.

Please provide proof of this or the data you can point to with this information. Thank you!

 

[Merge]

Governor Murphy and Ms Judy are labeling this the third wave. Do you disagree with this label?

Don't really care to nitpick about what constitutes a wave.
Our positivity rate and hospitalizations are certainly higher than I'd hope at his point, but again we are making progress on vaccinations. Just need a little but more time there.

Israel may have achieved herd immunity against Covid-19 - ISRAEL21c

With 56% of citizens vaccinated and another 15% recovered, Israel may be the first country where people who are immune protect those who aren’t.

www.israel21c.org

That will be us in the not too distant future.

 

[shufan1993]

It appears Murphy might be moving the goal post again. He is now saying he is worried about the fall when asked if masks mandate will be removed in the distant future. When asked if it will be removed in 2021, he said don't expect it. @Merge It thought you said July for end of mask mandate? The governor says otherwise.

 

[shufan1993]

After reading this tweet and the responses, it seems like majority of people will be wearing masks after this pandemic

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Interesting article on cnn today. Are we heading toward a big "covid belly flop"? The author questions what would happen if the vaccines just do not decrease the number of cases. The author notes many scientists are worried might actually not reach herd immunity. Then what's next? Covid will continue to spread.

What people get wrong about herd immunity | CNN

Kent Sepkowitz says people are wondering: what is the magic number of people we need to vaccinate so we can all forget these disastrous last 14 months? The concept is that once a critical mass of people are immunized against Covid-19, the whole population will be protected. The problem is that...

www.cnn.com

 

[Merge]

@Merge Interesting article on cnn today. Are we heading toward a big "covid belly flop"? The author questions what would happen if the vaccines just do not decrease the number of cases. The author notes many scientists are worried might actually not reach herd immunity. Then what's next? Covid will continue to spread.

What people get wrong about herd immunity | CNN

Kent Sepkowitz says people are wondering: what is the magic number of people we need to vaccinate so we can all forget these disastrous last 14 months? The concept is that once a critical mass of people are immunized against Covid-19, the whole population will be protected. The problem is that...

www.cnn.com

That's not what that article says.

The "belly flop" is promoting a target which will work in some areas but not in others.
Virus transmission amount a suburb where 60% are vaccinated will be very different than 60% vaccinated in a city. So, you don't announce target rate that will be very effective in one area but not another. That should be obvious.

 

[shufan1993]

Studies are now showing 612,000 related covid deaths by August 1. We are not getting outing of this pandemic any time soon. Even with vaccines.

Coronavirus update: Latest Covid-19 vaccine and world news

The pandemic has brought countries to a standstill. Meanwhile, vaccinations are underway as cases continue to rise. Follow here for the latest.

www.cnn.com

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge @shu09 Not good news from cnn this morning. The daily high of vaccinations is being overshadowed by the fact the more young people are starting to be hospitalized because of covid. Maybe a certain variant is becoming more harmful. @shu09 I thought you said younger people were not impacted by this horrible disease, correct? The data is beginning to say otherwise.

As vaccinations keep rising, so do Covid-19 hospitalizations among those who aren't vaccinated | CNN

"Cases and emergency room visits are up," the director of the CDC said. "We are seeing these increases in younger adults, most of whom have not yet been vaccinated."

www.cnn.com

 

[Pirata]

impacted by this horrible disease

It's not a disease. It's a virus.

 

[shufan1993]

It's not a disease. It's a virus.

Incorrect. Covid is classified as an infectious disease. Per the WHO, the official name is the "Coronavirus Disease" (Covid 19). See below. Thank you!

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) – World Health Organization

Information on COVID-19, the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus.

www.who.int

 

[shufan1993]

This is very bad news too. 1/3 of all covid survivors have developed a brain disorders. "After Covid" is a real thing.

One-Third of COVID-19 Survivors Develop Brain Disorders

As many as 1 in 3 COVID-19 survivors experience a mental health or neurological disorder within six months of infection according to new research.

www.aarp.org

 

[shu09]

Hello.

Case counts plummeting in NJ over the last few days. RT now under 1 to 0.94.

Interesting that @shufan1993 will not report this.

 

[shufan1993]

Hello.

Case counts plummeting in NJ over the last few days. RT now under 1 to 0.94.

Interesting that @shufan1993 will not report this.

Just got off a call with clients. Sure I am proud to present the latest data. A couple of follow up questions for @shu09:

1. When will Governor Murphy remove his EO for mandatory mask wearing in indoor settings? If you have listened to his latest press briefings, he is now saying he is worried about the fall. Why is he saying that? Is this a push to get kids vaccinated?

2. Will we be back to normal before labor day 2021? If not, @Merge will no longer be posting here. That was a part of our deal weeks ago.

 

[Merge]

Will we be back to normal before labor day 2021? If not, @Merge will no longer be posting here. That was a part of our deal weeks ago.

It wasn't "back to normal" It was on the mask mandate specifically.

 

[shufan1993]

It wasn't "back to normal" It was on the mask mandate specifically.

Let me look back. Pretty sure it was back to normal. If you have the original post please share.

 

[Merge]

If by labor day, everyone who wants a vaccine has had one and Biden is still pushing masks and there are still mask mandates everywhere I will never post on the LOTS board again. Want to make that bet?

Pg 3 of this thread.

 

[shufan1993]

Pg 3 of this thread.

Ok I reviewed. Isn't the teachers union already pushing murphy to keep mask mandate for schools in September?

 

[Pirata]

Incorrect. Covid is classified as an infectious disease. Per the WHO, the official name is the "Coronavirus Disease" (Covid 19). See below. Thank you!

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) – World Health Organization

Information on COVID-19, the infectious disease caused by the most recently discovered coronavirus.

www.who.int

Yes I see that now. The CDC reclassified it from a novel virus to a disease.

Thank you for your polite and informative reply.

 

[shufan1993]

Yes I see that now. The CDC reclassified it from a novel virus to a disease.

Thank you for your polite and informative reply.

No problem! Anytime!

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Just to confirm as well. In November 2021 You think the rock will have no capacity limits and we will not be wearing masks, correct?

 

[shu09]

 

[shufan1993]

@shu09 Why didn't you follow up today

Just got off a call with clients. Sure I am proud to present the latest data. A couple of follow up questions for @shu09:

1. When will Governor Murphy remove his EO for mandatory mask wearing in indoor settings? If you have listened to his latest press briefings, he is now saying he is worried about the fall. Why is he saying that? Is this a push to get kids vaccinated?

2. Will we be back to normal before labor day 2021? If not, @Merge will no longer be posting here. That was a part of our deal weeks ago.

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@shu09 Why didn't you follow up with today's numbers? Also I did have a couple follow up questions yesterday. What are your thoughts? Hospitalizations and cases going in the wrong direction today. Hospitalizations continue to see more young people.

 

[shu09]

Hospitalizations always increase on Tuesday. Nothing new if you've been paying attention.

 

[shufan1993]

Hospitalizations always increase on Tuesday. Nothing new if you've been paying attention.

Deaths, pcr tests, and antigen tests always go up on Tuesdays too?

 

[shufan1993]

The latest from Kurt. Time fully reopen NJ? Will NJ be fully open by memorial day? @shu09 @Merge

 

[Merge]

Will NJ be fully open by memorial day?

Probably not.

 

[shufan1993]

Probably not.

Probably not.

Between July 4th and Labor Day?

 

[donnie_baseball]

Thanks for the anecdote. Have these doctors you know said anything about the Janssen vaccine? From what I can tell, reports of nasty side effects are far less with this one and it's only one shot. If I choose to get a shot, this would likely be the one I'd get. I'm not going anywhere near the mRNA stuff.

This didn't age well. What reports are you getting? Are the reports now saying something different?

 

[Merge]

Between July 4th and Labor Day?

Yep. Shortly after the 4th of July is my guess.

 

[shu09]

This didn't age well. What reports are you getting? Are the reports now saying something different?

CDC VAERS. The suspension is getting all the publicity but reports of adverse events with that vaccine pale in comparison to Moderna and Pfizer.

I couldn't care less about what "ages well" or not on a message board. I care about getting answers so I can make an educated decision.