25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine
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I know that is the popular narrative now. Which explains why 60 Minutes had the hit-piece on him. They were given instructions to start early. Sad that a great show like 60 Minutes has resorted to that.
Honestly not as fast as I had hoped, but things are still improving if you look at trend lines. Positivity rate started started dropping again, new hospitalizations are droppings agin, deaths are dropping and we are doing well vaccinating people... more to be done but we’re still on the right path.
Don’t really get this take. Nursing home deaths from Covid are actually pretty close comparing New York to Florida. That’s not a defense of Cuomo, I just don’t understand how you get to it being a success for Desantis especially considering that Florida had time to prepare where the northeast did not.
I’m not saying he did everything wrong, Florida’s results to date are ok, but also have to add in the context that after the first wave was over, Florida had one of the worst death rates in the entire country.
Sure. I will look at this take 2 months from now. Unfortunately I think we will be the same place or worse. And you will just keep moving your goalpost.
So can you just admit you were wrong? It doesn't seem like you take responsibility for incorrect statements/predictions you make but are quick to call out other wrong statements.
This was post was February 18th. You were wrong here too. The government hasn't promised a return to normal. Also, vaccine supply is not exceeding demand. The Johnson & Johnson has been put on hold.
I said two months ago that supply would start to exceed demand and that is exactly what is happening which is why we are opening up the vaccine to everyone... so no, I wasn’t wrong on that. Also set June as my target for having a sufficient vaccinated population... I’m fairly certain it’s not June yet...
if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I really don’t care about being right or wrong here...I still believe that once we have had the opportunity to vaccinate everyone who wants to be vaccinated (likely at some point in June) then restrictions no longer make sense.
if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I really don’t care about being right or wrong here...I still believe that once we have had the opportunity to vaccinate everyone who wants to be vaccinated (likely at some point in June) then restrictions no longer make sense.
Maybe the articles and data I saw were wrong. It was from the mainstream media, so I assumed it was going to provide the most slanted tilt possible against Florida and in favor of NY because of the political element (I know folks play numbers games with this stuff). The data I saw said that while Florida has several more million residents, it was about 33% less than NY for both COVID-related deaths and long term care resident illnesses. I realize population density and weather plays a factor in this, but when I saw those numbers coupled with Florida’s response as it relates to the economy and schools, it was pretty obvious that what he did was the better approach. Then I connect the dots on the 60 minutes piece which even liberal outlets have criticized, and that insinuates the D’s are concerned that Florida’s response being positive is going to turn this guy into a contender, so they’ve sent the attack dogs after him already. Maybe I’m wrong because I hate that this stuff has to be politicized. Bill Maher ended his show Friday night referencing the same statistics, especially as it pertains to what Desantis did to protect the elderly compared to Cuomo. If Maher is saying it, I figured that was another data point because as we know he is a liberal.
By the way. It appears I am right when I stated it looks like our vaccination numbers are pleatuing. Some parts of the country are now seeing more inventory of shots but less people are making appointments now. This is the part of the pandemic where people have to influence people that are not willing to take the vaccine. Demand for the vaccine in the US is officially slowing down.
Covid-19 vaccine demand is slowing in parts of the US. Now an uphill battle starts to get more shots into arms | CNN
When health officials in Ohio's Mercer County opened their first Covid-19 vaccine drive-thru clinic in January, available slots filled up instantly, and more than 500 people were vaccinated in a single day.
In my opinion, I think it is a little unfair to compare all of it since the virus was spreading rapidly in NY and NJ rapidly, including in nursing homes before we had the ability to test anyone.
If you exclude just that initial wave and start with June 1st for example, Florida has had more than 10k more deaths than New York and specially on this topic, more nursing facility / Ltc deaths.
very different states, so I’m not saying they should have had the same response or results but the narrative I have seen around Desantis protecting the elderly compared to the states in the northeast just doesn’t seem true.
His best argument is that the state stayed open and the results were not as bad as people said it would be. That is true.
Again, that is self-reporting. If your arm hurt after receiving Moderna's vaccine, then you could file a report. Headache, chills, fatigue, body aches, all typical after effects of a vaccine (which by definition creates an immune response) make up the vast majority of these "adverse reactions."
Most people don't realize that this is a live clinical trial and they should be reporting adverse events directly to the pharmaceutical company. Like you said, not the minor issues, but if you are having long term or violent reactions, you should report it immediately. All three pharma companies have 800 numbers to do that.
But the press and politicians wouldn't dare tell you about that because it goes against the narrative to get as many people in the trial as possible.
I saw this in the paper today.
People are skipping the 2nd dose.
http://enewspaper.mcall.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=f5cf692f-ca33-4a6f-a78a-0839e8a9f212
People are skipping the 2nd dose.
http://enewspaper.mcall.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=f5cf692f-ca33-4a6f-a78a-0839e8a9f212
No surprise when the media, government, etc downplay what are often severe side effects, very different than any other vaccine on the market. People just don't want to go through with that after experiencing it once.
Not really.
The mathematical concept for herd immunity is (1-1/R0) / efficacy.
There is no perfect number we can point to as x% immunized = herd immunity, since R0 is not static but 1 shot of the mRna vaccines is apparently 80ish percent effective.
Theoretically if R0 = 2.5 with normal activity and no masks etc - The herd immunity calculation says we need about 63% of the population fully vaccinated. If 8% of the population being vaccinated doesn't receive a 2nd shot, it reduces the overall efficacy number but only results with needing 64% of the population being vaccinated.
Lots of assumptions within the calculation, but people choosing to only get one dose of the mRna vaccine instead of two is not really as impactful as you are implying there.
Johns Hopkins recently estimated that 200 million Americans have been infected. Given that number, those already vaccinated, and a significant number with natural immunity, we may already be at or near herd immunity.
Which makes the freak out over this since March of 2020 even more ridiculous.
Bluntly, for a variety of reasons - there is no way that is close to accurate.
Got a link to support that?
Got a citation on that 5-8 number?
I believe it is clearly higher but it were anywhere close to 200 million, that would be showing up in the seroprevalence studies. So far, those studies put the number of infected somewhere around 20% of the US population. 30% seems to be the absolute high on any range estimate I have seen. An 8x number be 80%?
I just don't believe that is supportable.
No, the formula is correct.
Plug it into excel as =(1-1/2.5)/.95
Mathematical order of operations. It looks off but is correct since the rule is you would divide 1/2.5 first and then it's 1 minus that result.
Good example of media bias here. A CNN "reporter" writes this article and doesn't even try to hide the bias. Then they go after company who owns the show to pressure them because someone doesn't conform with government thinking.
What the person in question said was an OPINION. He did not spread "misinformation." This shouldn't even be a story but leave it up to the folks at CNN and their far left agenda to make it one.
www.cnn.com
What the person in question said was an OPINION. He did not spread "misinformation." This shouldn't even be a story but leave it up to the folks at CNN and their far left agenda to make it one.
Joe Rogan spread anti-vaccine misinformation. Spotify's CEO is standing behind him
Spotify CEO Daniel Ek is standing behind and promoting his company's top podcast host, Joe Rogan, even after Rogan spread anti-vaccine misinformation on-air.
www.cnn.com
I've been observing this conversation from afar, but wanted to comment on a couple of things:Good example of media bias here. A CNN "reporter" writes this article and doesn't even try to hide the bias. Then they go after company who owns the show to pressure them because someone doesn't conform with government thinking.
What the person in question said was an OPINION. He did not spread "misinformation." This shouldn't even be a story but leave it up to the folks at CNN and their far left agenda to make it one.
Joe Rogan spread anti-vaccine misinformation. Spotify's CEO is standing behind him
Spotify CEO Daniel Ek is standing behind and promoting his company's top podcast host, Joe Rogan, even after Rogan spread anti-vaccine misinformation on-air.
1) I listed to the Joe Rogan pod, and he was not "spreading disinformation", only providing his opinion on how to handle everything, like everyone is here, and ought to be, permitted to do.
2) I live in Florida, and while Florida may have more deaths among the elderly than NY, I believe the per capita rate is lower. Have to compare apples to apples among the elderly population which is huge in Florida. Also, keep in mind that the effects have turned out to be more mild than anticipated (not to say it isn't bad, but not as bad as originally thought), and Florida has kept its economy humming during times when other states (such as NY and NJ) were shut down, and the data is not all that different regarding Covid effects. And while Covid effects are not good from a health standpoint, a bigger issue may be the mental effect of locking people in houses, and shutting down their businesses, which can cause depression, suicide, etc.
These are not easy decisions, but overall i believe the decisions come down to whether you want government telling you what to do, or having the free will to make these choices for yourself. I choose the latter, and by the way, that doesn't mean I throw caution to the wind with going out and being around tons of people with no mask on, etc. People still can have liberty and use good judgment...it is possible
I've been observing this conversation from afar, but wanted to comment on a couple of things:
1) I listed to the Joe Rogan pod, and he was not "spreading disinformation", only providing his opinion on how to handle everything, like everyone is here, and ought to be, permitted to do.
2) I live in Florida, and while Florida may have more deaths among the elderly than NY, I believe the per capita rate is lower. Have to compare apples to apples among the elderly population which is huge in Florida. Also, keep in mind that the effects have turned out to be more mild than anticipated (not to say it isn't bad, but not as bad as originally thought), and Florida has kept its economy humming during times when other states (such as NY and NJ) were shut down, and the data is not all that different regarding Covid effects. And while Covid effects are not good from a health standpoint, a bigger issue may be the mental effect of locking people in houses, and shutting down their businesses, which can cause depression, suicide, etc.
These are not easy decisions, but overall i believe the decisions come down to whether you want government telling you what to do, or having the free will to make these choices for yourself. I choose the latter, and by the way, that doesn't mean I throw caution to the wind with going out and being around tons of people with no mask on, etc. People still can have liberty and use good judgment...it is possible
Well said. I agree with pretty much everything.
Great points about Joe Rogan. Ben Shapiro brought up a great point here. Why isn't the government allowing us to go back to normal if we choose to get vaccinated?
I've been observing this conversation from afar, but wanted to comment on a couple of things:
1) I listed to the Joe Rogan pod, and he was not "spreading disinformation", only providing his opinion on how to handle everything, like everyone is here, and ought to be, permitted to do.
2) I live in Florida, and while Florida may have more deaths among the elderly than NY, I believe the per capita rate is lower. Have to compare apples to apples among the elderly population which is huge in Florida. Also, keep in mind that the effects have turned out to be more mild than anticipated (not to say it isn't bad, but not as bad as originally thought), and Florida has kept its economy humming during times when other states (such as NY and NJ) were shut down, and the data is not all that different regarding Covid effects. And while Covid effects are not good from a health standpoint, a bigger issue may be the mental effect of locking people in houses, and shutting down their businesses, which can cause depression, suicide, etc.
These are not easy decisions, but overall i believe the decisions come down to whether you want government telling you what to do, or having the free will to make these choices for yourself. I choose the latter, and by the way, that doesn't mean I throw caution to the wind with going out and being around tons of people with no mask on, etc. People still can have liberty and use good judgment...it is possible
Appreciate the thoughts and agree on Rogan. No issue with what he said at all.
Hard to compare apples to apples between New York and Florida when the virus was spreading rapidly in New York before we had any testing available. That just wasn't the case for Florida If you compare what happened in Florida to New York after that first initial wave, Florida does not do as well and was closer to the bottom. That said, I do think there is a strong argument that Florida managed the outbreak well enough for their state to keep their hospital systems operating effectively and not break their economy... Doesn't mean the same approach would work in NJ or NY, but it does support that Florida was relatively successful in their approach.
@Merge And so it begins. The US will keep mask mandates on public transportation until at least September 13th, 2021. It appears this is after our Labor Day deal. Whatever happened to the President saying we would only be required to wear masks during his first 100 days. Has anyone followed up with President Biden on that?
www.nj.com
U.S. keeps mask requirement in place on planes, transit
Darby Lajoye, the acting TSA administrator, said in announcing the extension that masks “remain an important tool in defeating this pandemic” even though about half of U.S. adults have received a vaccine.
Fair enough. I would point out that Florida was quick to assess the situation and open up the state once the data was sufficient enough to show there was less of a need for a statewide mandatory lockdown. More importantly, and perhaps the most important maneuver made by desantis was getting significant bipartisan support throughout the state on his plans and allowing local communities to decide their own fate. It was a breath of fresh air from a politician and perhaps the main reason his popularity is very high right now. He trusted people to determine their own fate while also providing guidance and support statewide. I’ll be honest I did not vote for him in the last election and I very much regret not doing so, I’ve not been this impressed by a politician in quite some time.
And don’t get me started on that trash 60 minutes piece. Living in palm beach county I can tell you first hand that it was pure hit piece and nothing they “reported” was close to true about vaccine rollout. And btw, did they even check if Publix donated to the democratic governor candidate? I’m 99% sure they would donate to both candidates.
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