25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

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@Merge See some quotes from doctors in this article. One doctor mentioned we will still be fighting the virus for a year plus. He also does not expect sporting events to be at full capacity until 2024. I think I would take a doctor's word. It looks like we know who will not be posting on this page after Labor day!

It's only 'the end of the beginning.' COVID-19 will be with us for years

Even in a post-pandemic world, will we ever again feel comfortable shaking a hand or kissing a cheek?

nationalpost.com

You entirely missed what it actually said. Maybe go beyond the headline next time.

Herd immunity by the end of 2021.
“The virus will still be there; it will still kill people. But its epidemic force, its epidemic power, will be reduced, or stopped.”

After that he is talking about the social and economic fallout. We can save that debate for another day.

For now, here is how I see this playing out. In about 2 months, vaccine supply will start to exceed demand. The government will try to generate more demand by promising a return to normal if enough people get it. By June, we will have vaccinated all of our most vulnerable population and a good portion of the general population. The spread will be minimal. Hospitalizations and deaths because of Covid will be exceedingly rare. Shortly after that, masks just won't be necessary anymore and life will slowly start to return to normal.

 

[shufan1993]

You entirely missed what it actually said. Maybe go beyond the headline next time.

Herd immunity by the end of 2021.
“The virus will still be there; it will still kill people. But its epidemic force, its epidemic power, will be reduced, or stopped.”

After that he is talking about the social and economic fallout. We can save that debate for another day.

For now, here is how I see this playing out. In about 2 months, vaccine supply will start to exceed demand. The government will try to generate more demand by promising a return to normal if enough people get it. By June, we will have vaccinated all of our most vulnerable population and a good portion of the general population. The spread will be minimal. Hospitalizations and deaths because of Covid will be exceedingly rare. Shortly after that, masks just won't be necessary anymore and life will slowly start to return to normal.

No we neeed to have that economic/social fallout discussion now because we won't be getting back to normal because of that fallout.

 

[Hallsome]

No we neeed to have that economic/social fallout discussion now because we won't be getting back to normal because of that fallout.

This is a fair point

auditor you still don’t get 93’s schtick?

 

[shufan1993]

This is a fair point

auditor you still don’t get 93’s schtick?

Schtick? What do you mean?

 

[dehere23]

Our kids school just announced they are going back to 5 days a week in March from hybrid 2-3 days per week.
Change happens the first week of March.

Full day, 5 days a week? If so, congrats. My kids have been going "hybrid" (which is basically the morning) everyday since September. It's better than others, but overall still criminal. Parents are starting to really turn up the pressure for everyday, 5 days a week (at least for K-8, where my kids fall). Of course you can only exert so much pressure on employees who basically cannot be fired and can work without consequence.

Of course the Catholic School in my town has been going pretty much everyday for a full school day since September. Funny how that works.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

You entirely missed what it actually said. Maybe go beyond the headline next time.

Herd immunity by the end of 2021.
“The virus will still be there; it will still kill people. But its epidemic force, its epidemic power, will be reduced, or stopped.”

After that he is talking about the social and economic fallout. We can save that debate for another day.

For now, here is how I see this playing out. In about 2 months, vaccine supply will start to exceed demand. The government will try to generate more demand by promising a return to normal if enough people get it. By June, we will have vaccinated all of our most vulnerable population and a good portion of the general population. The spread will be minimal. Hospitalizations and deaths because of Covid will be exceedingly rare. Shortly after that, masks just won't be necessary anymore and life will slowly start to return to normal.

I'm assuming people will have to be vaccinated annually? What stops another repeat of this fall and winter if we have to vaccinate everyone again before then?

 

[Merge]

I'm assuming people will have to be vaccinated annually? What stops another repeat of this fall and winter if we have to vaccinate everyone again before then?

I don’t think we know how long the vaccine lasts yet but we have the surveillance system in place now and we will be able to identify it if it starts spreading again early and can start another round of vaccinations if needed. We could protect the vulnerable population pretty quickly and then Covid could essentially becomes very similar to how we treat the flu at that point.

Obviously things could change, but our current trajectory as well as using a new type of vaccine which is easier to develop AND is much more effective than traditional vaccines has me really optimistic.

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Thoughts on this take?

 

[Merge]

Probably pretty close on the pandemic being essentially over around that time.

 

[shufan1993]

Probably pretty close on the pandemic being essentially over around that time.

What will the Jersey shore look like on memorial day?

 

[shu09]

Hello I have been telling this board the last couple days the rt is beginning to surge again. Up to .89. It was just .81 a few days ago. This is expected because the experts have been telling us we will have a March surge.

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Hello. NJ rt declined back to .89 today. So it has remained stable over the last week.

The pandemic portion of this will be over by May 1, maybe sooner. There will still be cases here and there, but covid is quickly declining as a major threat.

 

[shufan1993]

Hello. NJ rt declined back to .89 today. So it has remained stable over the last week.

The pandemic portion of this will be over by May 1, maybe sooner. There will still be cases here and there, but covid is quickly declining as a major threat.

I remember when you said there would be no second wave. I cannot take your outlook seriously

 

[shu09]

I remember when you said there would be no second wave. I cannot take your outlook seriously

Please come out of your house, take a walk in the park. No need for a hazmat suit!

Also, you said there would be a second shutdown which never happened. Can't take you seriously.

 

[Merge]

What will the Jersey shore look like on memorial day?

Like a beach with people on it.

 

[Merge]

Hello. NJ rt declined back to .89 today. So it has remained stable over the last week.

The pandemic portion of this will be over by May 1, maybe sooner. There will still be cases here and there, but covid is quickly declining as a major threat.

Yep. I think anyone pushing concerns right now is just really trying to make sure that people will still want to get the vaccine.
This is almost over. All of the data is pointing towards that.

 

[shufan1993]

Please come out of your house, take a walk in the park. No need for a hazmat suit!

Also, you said there would be a second shutdown which never happened. Can't take you seriously.

When you have a family with members that have severe illnesses, you look at things differently.

 

[shufan1993]

Like a beach with people on it.

Will the Jersey shore bars/clubs be back?

 

[Merge]

Will the Jersey shore bars/clubs be back?

I don’t know. Not up to me.
If it were, I wouldn’t make the call yet but I’d assume they would be open.

 

[Hallsome]

Will the Jersey shore bars/clubs be back?

Yes maybe like last year but yes. Can’t miss that revenue

 

[shufan1993]

Yep. I think anyone pushing concerns right now is just really trying to make sure that people will still want to get the vaccine.
This is almost over. All of the data is pointing towards that.

@Merge Hello. Fauci said on Sunday morning news. Its possible Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 even after "herd immunity" and "near normality". I still believe we will be wearing masks for years and years to come It looks like you will not be posting on this board after Labor Day.

Fauci: 'Possible' Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 to protect against Covid-19

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it's "possible" Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the US may reach "a significant degree of normality" by the end of this year.

www.cnn.com

 

[shufan1993]

@Merge Hello. Fauci said on Sunday morning news. Its possible Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 even after "herd immunity" and "near normality". I still believe we will be wearing masks for years and years to come It looks like you will not be posting on this board after Labor Day.

Fauci: 'Possible' Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 to protect against Covid-19

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it's "possible" Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the US may reach "a significant degree of normality" by the end of this year.

www.cnn.com

@Merge The elite will be determining how long we will be wearing masks for.

 

[Merge]

@Merge Hello. Fauci said on Sunday morning news. Its possible Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 even after "herd immunity" and "near normality". I still believe we will be wearing masks for years and years to come It looks like you will not be posting on this board after Labor Day.

Fauci: 'Possible' Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 to protect against Covid-19

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it's "possible" Americans will still need to wear masks in 2022 to protect against the coronavirus, even as the US may reach "a significant degree of normality" by the end of this year.

www.cnn.com

The data gives you the timeline. Not the reverse.

When the data says we no longer need masks, then we no longer need masks. Really not that hard of a concept to grasp.
Fauci is erring on the side of caution with his statements, which he should. He needs to be one of the people urging caution so people still take it seriously and we get a high percentage of the population vaccinated.

My opinion on masks is not related to anything other than I believe we will reach a point when they are no longer needed in probably about another 2 months. We will continue to be required to wear them for a period after that, again, to err on the side of caution... but that won't last that long as the death and hospitalization numbers fizzle out to a very small number.

 

[shufan1993]

The data gives you the timeline. Not the reverse.

When the data says we no longer need masks, then we no longer need masks. Really not that hard of a concept to grasp.
Fauci is erring on the side of caution with his statements, which he should. He needs to be one of the people urging caution so people still take it seriously and we get a high percentage of the population vaccinated.

My opinion on masks is not related to anything other than I believe we will reach a point when they are no longer needed in probably about another 2 months. We will continue to be required to wear them for a period after that, again, to err on the side of caution... but that won't last that long as the death and hospitalization numbers fizzle out to a very small number.

So you agree with the great doctor? Until 2022 or later?

 

[Merge]

So you agree with the great doctor? Until 2022 or later?

As a possibility? Sure.

It's also possible that it completely stops spreading by April 1st and masks are no longer required anywhere by Easter.
I wouldn't bet on either of those outcomes. One is too early, and one is too late.

 

[shufan1993]

Apparently Bill Gates will decide when we can take off our masks. Here is a pretty entertaining video on Anderson cooper asking Bill Gates is Gates will be going to restaurants a year from now, wearing a mask a year from now, and shaking hands.

 

[HALL85]

I Florida now and NO ONE is wearing a mask on the beach. People being respectful in transition areas but it’s loose. It’s going to be up to the individual.

 

[shu09]

There will be no reason to wear the mask in about four months, maybe sooner.

Also, why is Bill Gates all over TV over the last week opining on issues he has no professional qualifications to discuss? Creepy. While we have opinions, it's like asking one of the posters on this board to go on CNN and talk about the virus, global warming, the Texas situation, etc.

 

[shufan1993]

There will be no reason to wear the mask in about four months, maybe sooner.

Also, why is Bill Gates all over TV over the last week opining on issues he has no professional qualifications to discuss? Creepy. While we have opinions, it's like asking one of the posters on this board to go on CNN and talk about the virus, global warming, the Texas situation, etc.

So to confirm. We will no long be wearing masks in June 2021? Will the pandemic be over in June 2021? I just want to make sure I understand your prediction and the data behind it. If so, I will remember your prediction! I'm hoping its not a 'bad take exposed" down the line.

 

[Merge]

So to confirm. We will no long be wearing masks in June 2021? Will the pandemic be over in June 2021? I just want to make sure I understand your prediction and the data behind it. If so, I will remember your prediction! I'm hoping its not a 'bad take exposed" down the line.

Why do you care so much about predictions?

The threat pandemic will essentially be over by June. We may or may not still be wearing masks at that point because we will probably err on the side of caution for when we can stop wearing them.

Though there is some very strong evidence about the end being in sight. The people receiving the vaccine are being protected.

Lowest number of new LTC cases since May!



LTC deaths as a percentage of total deaths is the lowest it has been ever...

 

[shufan1993]

Why do you care so much about predictions?

The threat pandemic will essentially be over by June. We may or may not still be wearing masks at that point because we will probably err on the side of caution for when we can stop wearing them.

Though there is some very strong evidence about the end being in sight. The people receiving the vaccine are being protected.

Lowest number of new LTC cases since May!

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LTC deaths as a percentage of total deaths is the lowest it has been ever...

I care so much about predictions because I believe the predictions on this board are incorrect. The threat pandemic will not be over by June. We will continue to see variants develop and this will push progress back.

 

[shufan1993]

Hospitalizations and deaths up? Something to watch. Hoping this is just a one day '
"Data Dump"

 

[Merge]

I care so much about predictions because I believe the predictions on this board are incorrect. The threat pandemic will not be over by June. We will continue to see variants develop and this will push progress back.

There is a chance that could happen, but the data so far does not support that it will.

As I said previously. Keep an eye on Israel since they have the largest percentage of their population vaccinated.
The cases that are showing up there is the more transmissible variant from the UK but they are still shutting the virus down.

Can a Vaccinated Person Still Spread the Coronavirus?

Ten vaccines have proved effective at protecting people from developing symptoms of Covid-19, the disease that can result from infection with SARS-CoV-2. Less is known about how well some of the various inoculations prevent people from getting an asymptomatic infection or passing the virus on to...

www.bloomberg.com

 

[shu09]

Hospitalizations and deaths up? Something to watch. Hoping this is just a one day '
"Data Dump"

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Your act is getting old. Nobody is falling for your scare tactics.

 

[shufan1993]

Your act is getting old. Nobody is falling for your scare tactics.

Huh? I'm just showing what the numbers show. Why is everything "fear mongering" to you?

 

[Merge]

Huh? I'm just showing what the numbers show. Why is everything "fear mongering" to you?

Because once Rt starts to decrease, you hunt for where the bad news is rather than saying that the metric you were focusing on last week is showing improvement.

Every single Tuesday there has been an increase in hospitalizations and deaths. That’s why you look at trends and averages.

 

[shufan1993]

Because once Rt starts to decrease, you hunt for where the bad news is rather than saying that the metric you were focusing on last week is showing improvement.

Every single Tuesday there has been an increase in hospitalizations and deaths. That’s why you look at trends and averages.

Ok? I still trust doctors and experts. "The Devil is already here. Its just a matter of time until this effects the vaccines"

 

[Merge]

Exactly. A perfect example of hunting for bad news.

Meanwhile, CA positivity rate is the lowest it has been since October. Patients hospitalized with Covid is the lowest it has been Since Thanksgiving.

 

[shu09]

LA Times has been pumping out fear mongering garbage for a while now. Trash paper.

 

[shufan1993]

Exactly. A perfect example of hunting for bad news.

Meanwhile, CA positivity rate is the lowest it has been since October. Patients hospitalized with Covid is the lowest it has been Since Thanksgiving.

You still just don't get it. As one expert said weeks ago, 'This is the calm before the storm". This was expected. As well as what is about to come in the next several weeks.

 

[shu09]

You still just don't get it. As one expert said weeks ago, 'This is the calm before the storm". This was expected. As well as what is about to come in the next several weeks.

Just like the Super Bowl was going to be a superspreader, right?