AOC - dumbest human on earth

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On one hand you said I was influenced by the right sided news and implied that is what drove my opinion? All of the major news stations reported this story and used the words anti-semitic many, many times. Then you say you are not letting the news influence your opinion but you accuse me of being influenced by the right sided news??? WTH?

Yes, I was not influenced by the media because I watched what happened in real time as I follow intercept on twitter and they retweeted her response to their reporter.

Why can't she believe that the AIPAC has too much influence in our politics?

Why is what she said any different than Trump saying to a room full of Jewish republicans “I don’t want your money, so therefore, you’re probably not going to support me,” and “you want to control your own politician.”

The difference is that she is Muslim.

You waffle between two different narratives to suit your own perception of things especially of yourself. Section 112 must listen to Rush Limbaugh or Hannity and chooses that narrative because he is influenced by right sided news and you Merge are fair minded who can look at any situation and not be influenced?

Call me whatever you want. If you take an honest look at this story, you will see a lobby that owns politicians that got them to support a bill violating free speech and then got even more politicians to call a politician who spoke out against that anti-Semitic.

Your new name is IHOP because you sir are the king waffler.

International House of Pancakes is king of the waffle?
Why not go with Waffle King?

 

[Section112]

That is the best point you have made this entire string.

Waffle House or WH it is!

 

[HALL85]

As if politicians were always honest...

It was damage control. Republicans were trying to make this a wedge issue to pick up more Jewish support and democrats needed to come out against Omar to stop the bleeding.

Honest or not that’s what they said! If it was a non-issue they would have ignored the Republicans.

 

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Waffle House or WH it is! Be more careful when labeling people - you seem to do that very well and it's not a quality that is very endearing or that helps you make your point.

I don't typically label people.
My usual discussions here are on substance.

On this issue, I think there is a narrative painting Omar as an anti-Semite because it is politically advantageous for them. I do not believe her calling out the AIPAC's influence over politicians is anti-Semitic at all and it is a shame that she is being targeted for something many other politicians have said. I believe it is because she is Muslim and an easy target.

 

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Honest or not that’s what they said! If it was a non-issue they would have ignored the Republicans.

Republicans were trying to paint democrats as being against Jews.
Of course they wouldn't ignore that.

Their options were to confront it by defending Omar which would have allowed republicans to continue painting dems as anti-Jews, or they could be critical of Omar to stop the debate from happening.

Dems pushing an anti-hate bill instead of a bill rebuking antisemitism is fairly telling.

 

[HALL85]

Republicans were trying to paint democrats as being against Jews.
Of course they wouldn't ignore that.

Their options were to confront it by defending Omar which would have allowed republicans to continue painting dems as anti-Jews, or they could be critical of Omar to stop the debate from happening.

Dems pushing an anti-hate bill instead of a bill rebuking antisemitism is fairly telling.

No they weren't. They specifically called out Omar and not all Democrats on the anti-Semitic statements. You have a twisted way of looking at this blinded by your partisan glasses.

 

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No they weren't. They specifically called out Omar and not all Democrats on the anti-Semitic statements. You have a twisted way of looking at this blinded by your partisan glasses.

You might think I'm just partisan, but I agreed with the take on the AOC with Wells Fargo in this thread. .
I actually wrote to her the day of that hearing to explain why I disagreed with her questioning. I don't just support things blindly. I take one issue at a time

I am supporting a politician that spoke out against other politicians supporting a violation of 1st amendment rights because of lobby influence.
I have no loyalty to Omar or any politician. She was correct in this instance and I support that instance and believe the backlash against her was because she is Muslim.

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[afghan whigs]

This is not something new. She has a long history of it that the Dems are being coy about because like AOC, she has the social media following that they don't.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/...emitism-last-year-why-they-remain-frustrated/

 

[SPK145]

Josh Gottheimer is a democrap to watch. As a libertarian, we don't agree on many issues, but he is a fair, centrist, leader.

Do you know anti-Semitism when you see it? A Q&A with Rep. Josh Gottheimer
Posted Mar 17, 3:00 PM

When a freshman congresswoman reignited a debate over what anti-Semitism looks like, it was New Jersey congressman Josh Gottheimer, her fellow Democrat, who led the call to condemn her remarks.

https://www.nj.com/opinion/2019/03/...you-see-it-a-qa-with-rep-josh-gottheimer.html

 

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Josh Gottheimer is a democrap to watch. As a libertarian, we don't agree on many issues, but he is a fair, centrist, leader.

As a libertarian, how do you feel about politicians voting for the ability to punish companies that express their 1st amendment rights?

 

[SPK145]

As a libertarian, how do you feel about politicians voting for the ability to punish companies that express their 1st amendment rights?

It's ridiculous and unconstitutional. Codified boycotts.

How do you feel about the Citizens United decision?

 

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It's ridiculous and unconstitutional. Codified boycotts.

Right, it is ridiculous and unconstitutional. I don't believe you are anti-Semitic now.

So the question should be asked, why are US politicians supporting such a law, and would you characterize their support of something that is unconstitutional as placing loyalty to another country's influence over our constitution?

That is my issue with this backlash.
Ilhan Omar was not wrong, but she is an easy target because she is Muslim.

How do you feel about the Citizens United decision?

I don't like citizens united because it paved the way to dark money in the political process but I'm not opposed to freedom of speech by corporations... I actually prefer it so I know who to give my business to.

 

[SPK145]

Right, it is ridiculous and unconstitutional. I don't believe you are anti-Semitic now.

No because I've never made it just about Israel.

I've also stated here many times that I'm against foreign aid to any foreign country including Israel. Unconstitutional. Are you with me on that too?

So the question should be asked, why are US politicians supporting such a law, and would you characterize their support of something that is unconstitutional as placing loyalty to another country's influence over our constitution?

We both know exactly why that is. It's not placing loyalty to another country's influence over our Constitution but pandering for votes as all side are disgustingly wont to do.

That is my issue with this backlash.
Ilhan Omar was not wrong, but she is an easy target because she is Muslim.

She's an easy target because she singled out Israel. Do you think she's against our pandering to muslim countries, haven't heard say anything on them yet?

I don't like citizens united because it paved the way to dark money in the political process but I'm not opposed to freedom of speech by corporations... I actually prefer it so I know who to give my business to.

Freedom of speech is constitutional whether dark or transparent.

 

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No because I've never made it just about Israel.

Neither did she. You responded to me, just as she responded to someone else.
They mentioned Israel's influence and she responded.

She's an easy target because she singled out Israel. Do you think she's against our pandering to muslim countries, haven't heard say anything on them yet?

I mean... Just because you aren't paying attention, that doesn't mean she isn't.
She has been a vocal critic of Saudi Arabia... and like I said, she was responding to Glenn Greenwald. He is the one that brought it up.

Freedom of speech is constitutional whether dark or transparent.

For now, yes it is... I will support politicians willing to change that. Though I think you would agree that the founders of the constitution would have never uttered such a sentence and would roll in their graves if they knew corporations could give unlimited amounts of money to influence an election without disclosure.

 

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Though I think you would agree that the founders of the constitution would have never uttered such a sentence and would roll in their graves if they knew corporations could give unlimited amounts of money to influence an election without disclosure.

I would not agree with that.

Would you would agree that the founders of the Constitution would roll over in their graves if they knew what has been done to the 2nd Amendment?

 

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Just glossing over that you were wrong on Omar and that she is not the one that brought up Israel and is a critic of Saudi Arabia?

I would not agree with that.

You don't agree that the founders were worried about corruption?

Would you would agree that the founders of the Constitution would roll over in their graves if they knew what has been done to the 2nd Amendment?

Yes, they would... we would probably just disagree on why they are rolling over though.
At the time, "bear arms" was only ever used by congress in the context of the military. I don't think I have seen any evidence that they believed any citizen should own a gun (let alone many guns) with the ability to slaughter dozens of people in a matter of seconds. The amendment has outlived Its usefulness and should be updated for modern times.

 

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[Pirata]

AOC is a pawn. She is being used to test the waters on radical and revolutionary change.

Assuming Pelosi is not pulling the strings the question I have is, "who is ?".

 

[afghan whigs]

AOC is a pawn. She is being used to test the waters on radical unrevolutionary change.

Assuming Pelosi is not pulling the strings the question I have is, "who is ?".

Justice democrats put out a casting call for someone to play the role of a Congress person. The bartenders brother nominated her.

 

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Justice democrats put out a casting call for someone to play the role of a Congress person. The bartenders brother nominated her.

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Dude... come on.
She was a political activist for Bernie and very involved in the political process. Her brother nominated her as a fit for the justice democrats because of her background. She is not an actor.

Political action committees are always recruiting for candidates to be the next generation of politicians.
http://www.nfrw.org/recruitment
http://www.principledpac.com/candidates/

Please stop watching or listening to whoever convinced you that AOC is an actress. They are lying to you.

 

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AOC is a pawn. She is being used to test the waters on radical unrevolutionary change.

Assuming Pelosi is not pulling the strings the question I have is, "who is ?".

What are you basing that on?

 

[afghan whigs]

What are you basing that on?

She may not be an actor but I find it hard to believe this bartender with little common sense is suddenly calling the shots by herself and going after senior Democratic leaders with proxy groups like the Sunshine movement.

 

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She may not be an actor but I find it hard to believe this bartender with little common sense is suddenly calling the shots by herself and going after senior Democratic leaders with proxy groups like the Sunshine movement.

Paul Ryan began his political career while working as a waiter.
AOC began her political career while working as a bartender.

Both graduated college with a degree in economics.

Was Paul Ryan an actor or someone that was effective in getting people who believe in him as a politician?

 

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She's a communist. All communists are as charming as Satan was/is. She needs to be made an example of and put right into a recycling bin of has-beens . I'm so tired of you liberals telling people who are now more in-the-know then ever before that "It's OK"..."You're paranoid". "Don't worry".

 

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She's a communist. All communists are as charming as Satan was/is. She needs to be made an example of and put right into a recycling bin of has-beens . I'm so tired of you liberals telling people who are now more in-the-know then ever before that "It's OK"..."You're paranoid". "Don't worry".

I mean, you called Obama a communist as well... so either you don't know what the word means or you just like to call liberals communists.
Either case, it is hard to take you seriously.

 

[knowknow456]

Next stop, the cover of Time magazine. This kid is going places. Get on board or get run over people!

 

[HALL85]

I mean, you called Obama a communist as well... so either you don't know what the word means or you just like to call liberals communists.
Either case, it is hard to take you seriously.

I don’t get the obsession with AOC on either side. Her constituents elected her (which says something about her district) so big deal. I don’t see a conspiracy theory...she’s getting media attention, but since when has the MSM done such a great job, identifying talent? I think she’s actually a bigger problem for Pelosi to reel in. Most people don’t take her seriously...younger version of Sarah Palin.

 

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I don’t get the obsession with AOC on either side. Her constituents elected her (which says something about her district) so big deal. I don’t see a conspiracy theory...she’s getting media attention, but since when has the MSM done such a great job, identifying talent? I think she’s actually a bigger problem for Pelosi to reel in. Most people don’t take her seriously...younger version of Sarah Palin.

I like her. I liked her enthusiasm, passion and ability to connect to people when I started following her primary.

I did not expect or want her to become THE voice of the democratic party especially this soon, but I definitely believed in her potential down the road.
I am interested to see what happens with her voice with 2020, who she supports and if it moves the needle at all. That will be the telling regarding her actual influence within the party.

 

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I like her. I liked her enthusiasm, passion and ability to connect to people when I started following her primary.

I did not expect or want her to become THE voice of the democratic party especially this soon, but I definitely believed in her potential down the road.
I am interested to see what happens with her voice with 2020, who she supports and if it moves the needle at all. That will be the telling regarding her actual influence within the party.

I see her much differently...she’s a bright shiny object that is getting a lot of MSM attention now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she is a one-termer. At some point she’s going to need more allies in the party and I’m just not seeing that.

 

[knowknow456]

And they said Castro was just a revolutionary soldier who would never survive once he became a head of state.....

 

[afghan whigs]

Paul Ryan began his political career while working as a waiter

He worked as a legislative aide after graduation and supplementee his income with other jobs. AOC worked as a bartender after college and was entered into a casting call by her brother. She
couldn't be bothered to enter the casting call herself.

 

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He worked as a legislative aide after graduation and supplementee his income with other jobs. AOC worked as a bartender after college and was entered into a casting call by her brother. She
couldn't be bothered to enter the casting call herself.

After college she worked as an educational director for the national Hispanic institute and supplemented her income by also working as a bartender. Her brother nominated her because of her passion within politics already as she was working on the sanders campaign.

It wasn't a casting call. It was a political action committee recruiting candidates which has been happening since before you were born.

Stop implying this is somehow different.

 

[knowknow456]

One is a 29 year old congresswoman on the cover of Time Magazine

The other has 12 likes (13 now and you're welcome) on an anonymous Rivals Forum

Life is funny sometimes.

 

[Hall-line-forever]

The what? Time magazine? What’s that? How irrelevant. Didn’t some big time dictators win person the year like Yasser Arafat.

Who cares about Time magazine? Really.

 

[afghan whigs]

Funny that AOC is now mad that her New Green Deal Proposal is going to be voted on in Congress.


Adam Trahan‏Verified account@AdamTrahan Mar 23
Replying to @AOC
This has to be the first time a sitting congressperson has ever advocated for NOT holding a vote on their own ideas.

26 replies 78 retweets 756 likes

 

[knowknow456]

The what? Time magazine? What’s that? How irrelevant. Didn’t some big time dictators win person the year like Yasser Arafat.

Who cares about Time magazine? Really.

The Phenom is only on the cover; she is not (yet) the person of the year.

Also I looked it up - Arafat was never person of the year. Hitler, Stalin (twice!), Khrushchev and the Ayatollah all made the list though.

 

[HallBall10]

AOC is great.

Foxnews is almost as much obsessed with what AOC had for lunch as cnn is with trump's lunch.

If you disagree with her views that's fine but she's a busy little bee and connects well with her constituents through various forms of social interaction. I can guarantee you that both sides are trying to learn from her successes and failures.

 

[afghan whigs]

AOC is great.

Foxnews is almost as much obsessed with what AOC had for lunch as cnn is with trump's lunch.

If you disagree with her views that's fine but she's a busy little bee and connects well with her constituents through various forms of social interaction. I can guarantee you that both sides are trying to learn from her successes and failures.

Why are you watching Fox news??? Its not Fox news putting her on the covers of Time and Rolling Stone. The bartender has had no success. She does not know what she is talking about most of the time and is not brave enough to vote for her own proposals. But hey she's a young liberal woman with twitter followers so that's all the press looks for. Compare her to Dan Crenshaw. A Freshman who actually accomplished things in his life and is level headed. But he's an old white guy so the press can't be bothered. The whole thing is a joke.

 

[Pirata]

Liz Cheney - 1, AOC - 0

 

[Merge]

Liz Cheney - 1, AOC - 0

False.