I can't wait to play University Number 6 on December 4th. I heard that University Number 6 has a great arena, and great fans.
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I can't wait to play University Number 6 on December 4th. I heard that University Number 6 has a great arena, and great fans.
I will just say this. When I was younger and before I had access to the info I presently do I thought it was bad as I'm sure most of our readers do now. But fast forward to today and I will add what I thought was happening back then doesn't even scratch the surface.
The stories I've heard are insane. Generally the head coaches are innocent in the actions. They just give the thumbs up or thumbs down for actions to happen giving the approval of whether or not they want the player or not. The coaches stay out of it and let others do the dirty work. Ultimately I think this will be a good day for college athletics. There's a lot of tax consequences involved in these situations. I'm curious how far they push it on that end.
What is odd though is the supporting documents seem to list actions between May 2017 and September 2017... at least the 2 I have read so far.This investigation was 2 years old, they are going to push this very hard.
The United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York described the investigation this way: "Since 2015, the FBI and USAO have been investigating the criminal influence of money on coaches and student-athletes who participate in intercollegiate basketball governed by the NCAA. As relevant here, the investigation has revealed numerous instances of bribes paid by athletic advisors, including financial advisors and business managers, among others, to assistant and associate basketball coaches employed by NCAA Division I universities as facilitated by the coaches, in exchange for those coaches exerting influence over student-athletes under their control to retain the services of the bribe-payers once the athletes enter the National Basketball Association."
What is odd though is the supporting documents seem to list actions between May 2017 and September 2017... at least the 2 I have read so far.
It will be interesting to see where recruiting goes if the Nikes, UA, and Adidas $$$ is removed from the equation.
Which is what I said last week. The players have to know this is illegal when they take money. How do they get off scot-free?I can't see how any of the players who took money keep their elig
Oh, I'd say he's tied a bit more closely to Arizona then ever before.....Does Quinerly open up his recruiting now that Zona is going on probation? SHU or Nova bound? No way I would touch any of these 6 for a few years
The problem is the timeline.
Of course once proven they can no longer play. But this case might takes years to conclude which will leave the NCAA with a very sticky situation.
If they ever suspend a player who is later found innocent they're going to have to dig very deep into their pockets to say I'm sorry,
I'd be surprised if the NCAA could get anything resolved that quickly. Long term, this is death penalty level stuff though.I can't see how any of the players who took money keep their elig
Legally speaking, they are now considered professionals, and must report these funds on their tax returns as income. They are no longer eligible to play in college. I can't see any other way around it.Which is what I said last week. The players have to know this is illegal when they take money. How do they get off scot-free?
I can't see the NCAA killing any of its cash cows. I think the death-penalty days are over, given that the NCAA is considerably weaker than it was 30 years ago. They'll be postseason bans and scholarship reductions, but that's it.I'd be surprised if the NCAA could get anything resolved that quickly. Long term, this is death penalty level stuff though.
Oh, I agree that this extends well into the realm of law and far beyond the purview of the NCAA. And I think that's how it will be handled, and very seriously in many cases. I also see that as part of an emerging trend, where the diminished NCAA is forced into the background in matters where federal and state statutes are involved (see their massive overreach into the Penn State matter - a horrible affair that wasn't really about the NCAA and all about the law). Guys will go to jail, but I don't think you'll see programs put away.Sean, there will be far worst than just that if and when people are found guilty.
Maybe not. But federal criminal charges involving cash for players? I mean.... if that's not death penalty level stuff, I'm not sure what is.I can't see the NCAA killing any of its cash cows. I think the death-penalty days are over, given that the NCAA is considerably weaker than it was 30 years ago. They'll be postseason bans and scholarship reductions, but that's it.
Oh, I agree that this extends well into the realm of law and far beyond the purview of the NCAA. And I think that's how it will be handled, and very seriously in many cases. I also see that as part of an emerging trend, where the diminished NCAA is forced into the background in matters where federal and state statutes are involved (see their massive overreach into the Penn State matter - a horrible affair that wasn't really about the NCAA and all about the law). Guys will go to jail, but I don't think you'll see programs put away.
Not sure they would go that far but I could see them telling a school if a player is found guilty of accepting benefits every game he plays will be forfeited along with other penalties.If I was the NCAA it would be very simple. Let the kid play. Let the school know beforehand if this does turn out to be truth and the kid plays it's getting a 5 year death penalty. Let the school decide what to do.
Who said the players get the money?Which is what I said last week. The players have to know this is illegal when they take money. How do they get off scot-free?
Who said the players get the money?
Who said the players get the money?read it, the money is going to the players family through 3rd party(aka AAU)
Not sure they would go that far but I could see them telling a school if a player is found guilty of accepting benefits every game he plays will be forfeited along with other penalties.
Huge! Will the Feds go after any players as well? It's a crime to accept a bribe. Or is it considered compensation? This will be an interesting story for a very long time and the kids involved in it may become pawns that have to sit out or try to go pro somewhere until the dust settles. Their college careers may be put on hold indefinitely. I wonder how tight the border is in Arizona because Book may be making a run for it.
My reply was answering a specific question about imm penalties on players. That's different from the long term scope of the complaint.Dan, the feds are now involved. This is going to get extremely ugly the longer they are involved. If the NCAA doesn't handle its business in a tough manner, the feds will be looking into them next. This is 100% about money. They could care less about who plays for what school. Money talks and it's going to talk loudly in this case. Without major financial impact at the universities the NCAA will walk away with more egg on its face than it already has for letting it get to this point.
My reply was answering a specific question about imm penalties on players. That's different from the long term scope of the complaint.
I agree with what you are saying imm above. But I didn't agree with the response you made to that specific question.
We'll see. I don't know nearly enough yet to really make a good determination, the kind I want to stick to. That's really just my initial impulse on this.Maybe not. But federal criminal charges involving cash for players? I mean.... if that's not death penalty level stuff, I'm not sure what is.