It's a great course, worth the trip. Unfortunately my game didn't make the trip with me.
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It's a great course, worth the trip. Unfortunately my game didn't make the trip with me.
You should try it. Right up 476 from the Allentown area. Covers a lot of land, each hole is pretty much isolated by itself. Nothing parallel or bunched together. Various tee boxes for every level, doesn't play quite as long as the yardage says on the card. Quick greens.
Played Shawnee Saturday. A foursome no less. 4 hour round. Course is in great shape. Odd layout between each nine but fun and nice views. 7 minutes over the state line. Meanwhile in Jersey still only twosomes and 16 mins apart. Morris County courses are impossible to book a tee time thanks to Comrade Murphy.
Great Bear is nice too, right up the road from Shawnee. May have to take a ride out there in the next few weeks.
You're right about Morris County courses. Nearly impossible to get a time. I read that NJSGA sent Murphy a letter last week requesting to go back to foursomes. Not sure if they asked to change the 16 minute gap. I have to admit, the 16 min gap is nice -- no pace of play issues at all. But that's unsustainable in the long run, courses have to make money.
I've played a bunch of Pocono courses but never that one. Most of them a woodland with no hope of finding wayward shots.
If you're coming from Jersey via I80 there are a couple that might be closer.
Shawnee on the Delaware. Jackie Gleason and Arnie Palmer played there. There's a classic photo of Gleason and Palmer dancing on the tee.
Great Bear is a Jack Nicholas course owned by the same guy.
I believe one of the Pocono Manor courses is still open albeit they have had a bunch of financial trouble and it might be either closed or run down.
Hazelton is further away but a trip to Valley Country Club is worth it. Its an old Tillinghast course with greens that will drive your crazy. Semi private. I think they let public play for a decent price. I know the owner well.
Eagle Rock is a Palmer course.
If you're coming from Jersey via I80 there are a couple that might be closer.
Shawnee on the Delaware. Jackie Gleason and Arnie Palmer played there. There's a classic photo of Gleason and Palmer dancing on the tee.
Great Bear is a Jack Nicholas course owned by the same guy.
I believe one of the Pocono Manor courses is still open albeit they have had a bunch of financial trouble and it might be either closed or run down.
Hazelton is further away but a trip to Valley Country Club is worth it. Its an old Tillinghast course with greens that will drive your crazy. Semi private. I think they let public play for a decent price. I know the owner well.
Eagle Rock is a Palmer course.
I used to play Pocono Manor but I heard that has changed. Farmstead is a good option for western NJ (25 mins from my house in Randolph) - right off 206 North near Newton. You can get out and they have three 9's and its not too expensive. New ownership I believe in the last 5-7 years and they have the course in pretty nice shape.
So is the common cold and all other coronavirus types. Transmission by respiratory droplet does not equal airborne. We shall see what the studies bear out.
Exactly on both ends. Pace of play will be great but courses will fold with 16 minutes.
We are at 12 minutes and 3.5 hour rounds are our new norm. I'm surprised it was 4 hours with 16 minutes at Jack Frost.
I hate to think what restaurants will be like when they fill half a dining room. We will probably have to eat the meal in minutes of less.
You missed a comma in your last sentence. I guess you are the fool everybody knows you to be.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-coronavirus-airborne
https://www.who.int/news-room/comme...plications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations
On the other hand, you can find studies that contradict the above two.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2271-3_reference.pdf
Not sure if the course at Pocono Manor is open. They had a suspicious fire last year (two weeks before they were going to close it for renovations) that burned the hotel to the ground. Fire department broke all the windows on the first floor that created a draft that literally burned it up from the bottom.
Hopefully Murphy comes to his senses. In PA, you may want to try Riverview or Morgan Hill right over the border off of I-78 in Easton. Riverview is in pretty good shape and the owner is putting money back into the traps, but a nice layout. I have not played Morgan Hill, but it's on the side of a mountain and lots of target/blind shots. Southmoore and Whitetail are two course in Bath that are also not bad.
Everything is so arbitrary. Our club just opened the driving range (with appointments....so silly). No guests with 10 minute tee times now. Played Thursday in 3:30...when four guys have their own cart it speeds up play as well. The other problem is that the course winds through a residential area and there are a couple of pandemic police that have called the club or police....lol
The driving range was open at Shawnee. They simply spaced each spot where each person was about 7-8 feet away simple. I have a friend that joined Mendham CC a few years ago and he has been trying to get me to join. I like it because its not snobby (no caddies, you can walk with a pullcart, no dining minimums etc) and nice course. It's simply about golf and tennis. Since they opened they are only allowing 9 holes per day per member as the 16 minute/twosome thing is killing them. Imagine paying all that money, you are outside, 6 feet apart and 250 yards away from the next group and you can't book a time and if you do you can only play 9. Glad I did not join. He could not get on his own course this past weekend and came to Shawnee with us.
I understand the differences. I just do not agree with the statement in absolutes that the virus is not airborne.
We don't know if that is true yet. More recent studies suggest that it lingers in air especially in poorly ventilated areas.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2271-3_reference.pdf
Again, I have not seen anything to say that the amounts in the air can or cannot infect someone but it is there, and logically that would seem to support why this spread so quickly.
If you believe that the mortality rate will end up somewhere around 1% (or less as some people here do) that would suggest at least 9,000,000 people have had it.
https://covid19-projections.com/
^ That site suggests 11.5 million people have had the virus.
I'm not a medical professional or scientist, and not trying to question your opinion, but gravity is gravity and airflow is airflow and I cannot see how the laws of gravity or airflow differ with droplets from one virus to the other. If a room does not have good ventilation or airflow, that room will pose the same risks for any virus or droplet IMO. I'm not questioning if one virus is contagious longer than another. This virus cannot be all that different in my opinion as the laws of gravity and airflow have not changed for Covid-19.
I won't pretend to know the science either, but the measles virus is one that "hangs" in the air for a certain amount of time (a couple hours I believe). So if you have the measles and cough all the place, and I walk in the room 10 minutes later, I can become infected just by breathing in that air, without even touching any surfaces. This coronavirus was thought to fall to ground/surface immediately, like most other such corona viruses. So, somehow viruses like measles defies gravity for a little while. Don't ask me how.
We can we agree that some viruses are airborne and some are not, right? We know TB for example can stay suspended in the air for hours. How confident are you to say that you can not get infected by Covid by aerosols instead of just droplets?
It may be only droplets... but I will let science guide my understanding there instead of my thoughts about the virus itself.
From the WHO.
If I read the last paragraph correctly, for those of us not in the hospital near a Covid treatment procedure, the virus is effectively not an airborne virus.
"According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes.2-7 In an analysis of 75,465 COVID-19 cases in China, airborne transmission was not reported.7
Droplet transmission occurs when a person is in in close contact (within 1 m) with someone who has respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing or sneezing) and is therefore at risk of having his/her mucosae (mouth and nose) or conjunctiva (eyes) exposed to potentially infective respiratory droplets. Transmission may also occur through fomites in the immediate environment around the infected person.8 Therefore, transmission of the COVID-19 virus can occur by direct contact with infected people and indirect contact with surfaces in the immediate environment or with objects used on the infected person (e.g., stethoscope or thermometer).
Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m.
In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation. "
If I read the last paragraph correctly, for those of us not in the hospital near a Covid treatment procedure, the virus is effectively not an airborne virus.
"According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes.2-7 In an analysis of 75,465 COVID-19 cases in China, airborne transmission was not reported.7
Droplet transmission occurs when a person is in in close contact (within 1 m) with someone who has respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing or sneezing) and is therefore at risk of having his/her mucosae (mouth and nose) or conjunctiva (eyes) exposed to potentially infective respiratory droplets. Transmission may also occur through fomites in the immediate environment around the infected person.8 Therefore, transmission of the COVID-19 virus can occur by direct contact with infected people and indirect contact with surfaces in the immediate environment or with objects used on the infected person (e.g., stethoscope or thermometer).
Airborne transmission is different from droplet transmission as it refers to the presence of microbes within droplet nuclei, which are generally considered to be particles <5μm in diameter, can remain in the air for long periods of time and be transmitted to others over distances greater than 1 m.
In the context of COVID-19, airborne transmission may be possible in specific circumstances and settings in which procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are performed; i.e., endotracheal intubation, bronchoscopy, open suctioning, administration of nebulized treatment, manual ventilation before intubation, turning the patient to the prone position, disconnecting the patient from the ventilator, non-invasive positive-pressure ventilation, tracheostomy, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation. "
Except TB is caused by a bacteria. You're a smart guy, but you're not a medical professional.
Thank you; between this and the picture of The Great One, you have my vote for poster of the month.
You're right, but my point was about gravity as it relates to viruses from 112's post.
I don't think you disagree that some viruses are airborne, right?
"WHO is aware of other studies which have evaluated the presence of COVID-19 RNA in air samples, but which are not yet published in peer-reviewed journals. It is important to note that the detection of RNA in environmental samples based on PCR-based assays is not indicative of viable virus that could be transmissible. Further studies are needed to determine whether it is possible to detect COVID-19 virus in air samples from patient rooms where no procedures or support treatments that generate aerosols are ongoing. As evidence emerges, it is important to know whether viable virus is found and what role it may play in transmission. "
^ Lets not ignore that part please.
That is my only point.
I am not saying that the transmission is airborne.
I am saying there is not enough evidence to support absolute certainty either way.
"Based on what we know"
That was 7 weeks ago.- Where they acknowledge there are studies out there which indicate that the virus may be airborne but had not yet been peer reviewed.
A lot has changed since then and as new studies are completed and reviewed, and are suggesting that the virus may be airborne.
But you're quoting something that is 7 weeks old as the basis for your opinion and it is pretty clear they did not dismiss the possibility that it is airborne.. even mentioning studies which are showing that it is, such as this one.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.23.20039446v2
Still so much we need to learn.
Mr. chronic last-worder, go back a look at the post you are citing.
I quoted nothing.
You are assuming I am basing it solely on that article. I posted other articles previously. there has alos been other posts on the topic.
I simply stated my position as of today. Verstehst du?
You can keep trying to twist things and I will continue to refute each and every one of your attempts to do so. I've got time on may hands now.
Your wife must be a saint!
I quoted nothing.
You are assuming I am basing it solely on that article. I posted other articles previously. there has alos been other posts on the topic.
I simply stated my position as of today. Verstehst du?
You can keep trying to twist things and I will continue to refute each and every one of your attempts to do so. I've got time on may hands now.
Your wife must be a saint!
This is not me twisting anything.
This started because donnie said the virus is not airborne.
From what I have seen that has not been confirmed to be accurate so I wanted to know if there was a source on that which confirms that the aerosols which have the virus do not contain an infectious dose.
I don't think anyone should state with certainty how this virus spreads while that is still being researched.
Not sure why people object to that.
There we can agree.
Murphy is now allowing foursomes. No word on if the 16 minute gap will be going away.
Wrong.
Signed,
A Healthcare Worker, who also wears masks for myriad OTHER infections that are not airborne.
I am still saying it's not airborne, like all viruses of the same classification, until definitive research proves that it is.
Now your deflecting.
You twisted the meaning of my post. Go back a read what you wrote I responded to that. Now you are off on another tangent.
...and the beat goes on... lol.
Yeah, but Donnie we really should wait 20 years or so for every study to conclude before making any rash conclusions. As we speak, there is a monk in a small village in Tibet conducting a study on the altitude's affect on droplet aerosoliziation. Until then, people are well advised to stay off their roofs.
The good news is that until all these studies are completed, bubble boy and Dr. Merge will remain at home while the rest of us work on our short game.
(Only busting on ya Merge. No hard feelings )
Yes we need further study.
In this article they reported a New Jersey based vaccine from J&J but cite that "or if the subjects were simply predisposed to such ailments, so further study is required."
https://tinyurl.com/yc8smqn6
In this article they reported a New Jersey based vaccine from J&J but cite that "or if the subjects were simply predisposed to such ailments, so further study is required."
https://tinyurl.com/yc8smqn6
I guess what I am asking is, since it is so new, why say it's not airborne while it is being researched? Why state with such certainty?
Like I said, recent studies have shown that it has traveled like an airborne virus but we don't have evidence (other than anecdotal) that it can infect others that way.
The governor finally confirmed today that we cannot go back to a full "new normal" until a vaccine is mass distributed. Kind of crazy because it is still very possible it will be a long time for a vaccine. Strange strange times we are living in. We are in this for the long haul.
May 4th. Not Airborne. Research will continue to determine if that is an absolute.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-coronavirus-airborne
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-coronavirus-airborne
Literally from that link....
"It is accurate to say that the virus can spread through infected droplets, but more evidence is needed before scientists can confirm that it is airborne."
I'm really not sure how anyone can declare it is not airborne at this point.
If you want to hedge a bit and say "in your opinion, it will end up as not airborne" then I will take no issue on that.
I have reviewed the Governor's steps for reopening. I will possibly come back outside when we reach the "New Normal" phase. I have been doing well. Working out everyday in my gym and eating the proper foods.
