We should ALL take personal responsibility. That's kind of a silly question. I played golf on Sunday and one of the guys in my foursome had three co-morbidities. He made the personal decision to play and by telling me, I took extra precautions to keep a safe distance between us (and then some).
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I think that is extreme. One life.
I don't understand why you are caring so much more for people who die of Covid that you do for auto accidents, heroin, other diseases, and on and on.
If you really believe that, you should meet up with Shufan1993 (a.k.a chicken little) and stay home for the rest of your lives. I do not mean that in a nasty way. I mean it as a logical consequence of your statement.
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You're a lying wack job. Adios .
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I believe our collective efforts to stay home helped reduce the spread of the virus to a point where our hospitals were not overrun, and ultimately saved lives. I did feel the personal responsibility to stay home during that time. As I have said previously, I do think we are now getting to a point where we can start to open up because what we did worked and we know more about the virus than we did when we shut down. I do not fear the virus for my sake. I will take precautions as we open up to limit the possibility that I pass it on to others.
A poster on this board once said "When you are dealing with a health issue with significant uncertainty, you err on the side of the lesser of the potential catastrophic circumstance." - I agree with that 100% no matter who the president is at the time.
Very well said! Many people on this board don't put into perspective how asymptomatic people can be carrying this virus and how dangerous that can be. Especially when there are large groups of people.
I also hope that antibody testing will show us a high percentage.
Merge, I believe Cuomo pointed out how surprised he was when he found out 64% of recent admissions were from those that had been sheltering in place. No data to support this, but it stands to reason that the spread in NYC (or any city) was accelerated due to multiple people living in an apartment together that can't go anywhere (and likely begin visiting each other). We are seeing this play out in our market. For instance, we have had 8 employees test positive, all Hispanic and all living in apartments. What would you do to prevent that?
Not nearly enough information from what was presented to make any kind of conclusion there. We don't know if they were going out, wearing masks & gloves, seeing friends etc.
but considering how many millions of people live in apartments in New York, it's not really surprising that a percentage of them would continue to get infected. Our goal is not to prevent any infections. That isn't possible. Our goal was to lower the spread so it would be more manageable.
You have said that many times. I agree that it worked.
But....then why are you not proposing that we ban all automobile driving. It would stop 40,000 deaths next year. If anyone questioned the merits of that, we could just say, "well it worked". N'est pas?
If you caught a disease that severely impacted your ability to drive a car which was highly contagious then maybe we could use that as a comparison. Until then, I will pass on that as a false equivalent.
I am not saying we can never have another death from the virus. I am in favor of starting to open up even with the understanding that more people will die because of that decision. We can not prevent every death, but we hap options to prevent catastrophic consequences and I think we did the right thing. Albeit late, but earlier was not a real option.
This is very scary if this is indeed a new chapter/development in the virus.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/us/cuomo-child-nyc-dies-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/us/cuomo-child-nyc-dies-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
Also not smart at all! Infections will increase in the first couple weeks of June because of the reopening of the beaches.
We have to remember asymptomatic infected people will be walking out and about on the beaches.
Nothing has changed. Not cure, no vaccine for this virus. It will continue to spread and once businesses/beaches reopen again these promising numbers going down will again be on an upward slope.
I will correctly continue to shelter in place.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...ening-by-memorial-day-weekend-may-9-2020.html
We have to remember asymptomatic infected people will be walking out and about on the beaches.
Nothing has changed. Not cure, no vaccine for this virus. It will continue to spread and once businesses/beaches reopen again these promising numbers going down will again be on an upward slope.
I will correctly continue to shelter in place.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...ening-by-memorial-day-weekend-may-9-2020.html
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Why? Read the article. It says it is treatable and most children recover WITHOUT serious complications. It's already rare to begin with.
We need to stop overreacting to everything and making rules based on what could happen in the worst possible exceptions.
Please read the news this morning. 2 more children died overnight. This is a very new development and this can be a brand new outbreak. Not good Shu09. Not good at all.
It won't be significant, even if it happens which it very well might not. Look at Georgia. Lowest number of hospitalizations and ventilator usage reported today, and they've been open for two weeks now. All the fear mongers said they'd be overrun with CV patients.
You still have to give Georgia a couple more weeks. Hoping you are right. But I still need to see two more weeks data.
hahahaha. Keep moving the goal posts. Everyone said look at the data after 2 weeks. But now, wait 2 more weeks! Then in 2 weeks it'll be wait 2 more weeks!
Yep. If youryou the latest 60,000 people from out of state came to Georgia within the last week. This is why I am saying give me 2 more weeks of data. One health official this can be a "death sentence" over the next couple weeks.
At least I know I will continue doing the right thing and shelter in place. I have been sheltering in place for the last 2 months. Having all my groceries and services delivered to me doorstep. You should not be leaving house. This is why the governor has set these restrictions in place.
Stay home for the rest of your life, please. The world doesn't need you out there polluting it with your negativity.
I've been to the grocery store. I've been going to work. I've been to the golf course. Trying to live as normal a life as I can.
Well it looks like South Korea will be shortly shutting down again. A damper for the people that want to reopen.
But shu09 feels since it will be such a low percentile of death rate it is ok.
I would never want to live my life that way, if you really want to call that living. I've been out and about as much as possible, will continue to do so, want to be out even more.
I don't need a mother (Cuomo/Murphy) treating me like a toddler.
Every life IS precious. But every life is not worth shutting down the country for.
Evidently not to you guys:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...de-alcohol-drug-death-predictions/3081706001/
Mental wellness and substance abuse out of this is a spinoff effect...sadly our healthcare system is not ready/can't handle
Yes, a spinoff due to poor mandates by the government. Every action has consequences.
I agree with you on your take on how this is impacting children. This isn't a new thing. Many children have likely been infected, but it impacts very few.
but on this, too early to tell. It will take time to understand any changes. It's l=not like George opens and 100k people get infected that day. Probably another 3-4 weeks before we know what the impact will look like in Georgia but hospitalizations is definitely the right number to watch.
Many different paths we could have taken.
Very easy to say that that one we took was wrong without analyzing what the others would have looked like.
Hall85 you do not believe that a loss of job or bleak outlook going forward from a personal perspective can not be a causal effect to a mental wellness issue or lead to substance abuse?
Of course hindsight is 20/20 but we knew early on that the elderly, those in elderly living arrangements, and those with comorbidities were most vulnerable. We failed to protect them/introduced COVID to them AND consciously destroyed the economy.
SHU09 is making fun us of because we want 2 more weeks of data from Georgia. But its just the truth. I'm hoping we see good news from Georgia in 2 weeks but I'm not optimistic about it right now.
The majority of this country has a comorbidity. Initially we thought it was primarily those with lung disease, but apparently hypertension is just as bad if not worse of a condition to have and there is still so much we don't know.
I agree we did not do enough to protect those in retirement homes, and we didn't do enough to protect the economy either.... but that doesn't mean we did the wrong thing in shutting down especially when so much was unknown at the time.
What was unknown? We always knew this virus had much more of an impact on the elderly.
